MSNBC Panel: Little Hope’ Zimmerman Will Be Convi

[bripat9643]

See this guy?

He was beat up. This is what getting beat up looks like. This guy is, as you all can see, in a hospital bed.

Zimmerman barely received a band-aid much less hospitalization. And the altercation he claims was life threatening was less than 3 minutes and Martin was unarmed.

Put some perspective into this and less speculation.

You're beating a dead horse. The severity of Zimmerman's injuries aren't a basis for his defense.

 

[bripat9643]

How so? The medical examiner said the injuries were minor and no where near life threatening.

That's because he killed the criminal assaulting him before his head cracked like an egg.

duh

-Geaux

That is speculation, there is no evidence that Martin was assaulting him. Zimmerman said he stumbled and fell back he could have hit his head.

 

[bripat9643]

Hahhaa.....Right. If the extent of injuries is irrelevant then will you please contact the lawyers down in Florida? I think you need to straighten them out and save everybody some time.

You could save everybody some time by spending 20 minutes reviewing what an affirmative defense of self defense involves and quit posting crap here.

No, some people just don't believe Zimmerman held a reasonable fear of his life or great bodily injury.

Yes, but those people are all morons who are part of the lynch mob, so who cares what they believe?

 

[Truthseeker420]

LIBRULS: Race PIMPS and WHORES.. Nothing else matters.

I'm not whining moron.. Pointing out a fact. Zimmerman will go free as he well should and you librul race whores will scream like wet piglets.. LOL

So it's a preemptive whine? As y'll would say ...I don't have a dog in the fight, so the outcome will not cause me to "scream like wet pigs" (not sure how a wet pig screams) but I make no apology of using race to beat the crap out of neoconservative fascist corporatocracy ideology.

 

[bripat9643]

No, some people just don't believe Zimmerman held a reasonable fear of his life or great bodily injury.

Some people believe Elvis is alive and well. It is irrelevant. The standard is what a reasonable man would believe. And there it is indisputible that when a black football player is on top of you punching you and going for your gun you are in reasonable fear.

There is no evidence Martin was on top punching. More witnesses put Zimmerman on top. Even the witness John Good that the right wing fawned over said he couldn't see if Zimmerman was being punched, called it 2 guys fighting and a wrestling match.

Zimmerman's broken nose indicates he was being punched. Good said he couldn't determine who was on top. I haven't heard anyone claim they saw Zimmerman on top.

 

[bripat9643]

Why should we hope he is convicted?

BEcause he's a racist white man who shot an innocent black teen to death for no reason.
At least that's how they see it. The actual facts kind of suck for them. That's why you see the lefties here melting down because their narrative is unsustainable.
Had the prosecutor used normal channels and sought a grand jury indictment this would never have happened. The GJ would have given a no true bill and it would be over. But Nnnooooo..

That's sorta it in a nutshell.

You cannot go around shooting people you don't like.

You can shoot people who are punching you in the face and smashing your skull against the pavement.

 

[Truthseeker420]

"Institutional racism" my ass. If riots happen it will be because a bunch of black thugs think the verdict is a good excuse to get some free shit.

Only thugs riot because of a verdict.

Conservatives had themselves a freakin war because they thought that the government getting rid of what they perceived as their "right" to own slaves as wrong.

You really are ignorant of history.

Lincoln invaded the Confederate states. He started the war. He did it so he could enforce punitive tariffs and loot the Southern states.

It was started when the rebel traitors attacked an American base.

 

[bripat9643]

The extent of injuries is irrelevant.
Put some thought into understanding the issues here and less into emotion.

Here you go, Sherlock. Better keep your day job and leave what is relevant to the experts:

(SANFORD, Fla.) -- A medical examiner who reviewed video and photographs of George Zimmerman's injuries suffered during his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin called the neighborhood watch captain's wounds "insignificant" and "non-life threatening."

Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman was struck as few as three times by Martin during the fight that night. She also asserted his head may have only been slammed on the concrete a single time. Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges for the death of the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head on the concrete.

"Are the injuries on the back of the defendant's head consistent with one strike against a concrete surface?" asked prosecutor John Guy.

"Yes," Rao said.

"And why do you say that?" asked Guy.

"Because if you hit the head one time, it is consistent with having gotten those two injuries at that one time," she testified.

Rao's testimony could contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he was involved in a potentially life-threatening struggle with the Florida teenager."""

NewsRadio 1150 WGOW-AM - George Zimmerman Jury Told His Injuries Were 'Insignificant' [From ABC News]

The point being that carrying a lethal weapon comes with the responsibility of knowing when it is actually needed, since it provides the carrier with a distinct advantage. Zimmerman was barely into the scrap with Martin before he decided to shoot that gun just an inch from his heart.

Your 20/20 hindsight isn't the basis for making a decision about when to use a gun. And you also don't have to believe you are going to be killed. Threat of bodily injury is sufficient. A civilian isn't bound by the same rules as the cops. However, all you turds in the lynch mob believe otherwise.

 

[bripat9643]

Here you go, Sherlock. Better keep your day job and leave what is relevant to the experts:

(SANFORD, Fla.) -- A medical examiner who reviewed video and photographs of George Zimmerman's injuries suffered during his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin called the neighborhood watch captain's wounds "insignificant" and "non-life threatening."

Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman was struck as few as three times by Martin during the fight that night. She also asserted his head may have only been slammed on the concrete a single time. Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges for the death of the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head on the concrete.

"Are the injuries on the back of the defendant's head consistent with one strike against a concrete surface?" asked prosecutor John Guy.

"Yes," Rao said.

"And why do you say that?" asked Guy.

"Because if you hit the head one time, it is consistent with having gotten those two injuries at that one time," she testified.

Rao's testimony could contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he was involved in a potentially life-threatening struggle with the Florida teenager."""

NewsRadio 1150 WGOW-AM - George Zimmerman Jury Told His Injuries Were 'Insignificant' [From ABC News]

You still don't understand the issue, do you? The extent of injuries is not relevant here.

Yeah.

They are.

They were admitted as evidence yesterday.

Got it?

They were admitted only to demonstrate the fact that Zimmerman was being assaulted.

 

[bripat9643]

There is no evidence Martin was on top punching. More witnesses put Zimmerman on top. Even the witness John Good that the right wing fawned over said he couldn't see if Zimmerman was being punched, called it 2 guys fighting and a wrestling match.

No witnesses put Zimmerman on top punching Martin. That si a lie. Nothing contradicts Zimmerman's statements.

There was witnesses that put Zimmerman on top and no one could tell if it was punching or just a struggle. There are many lies in Zimmerman's statements.

There are no lies. There is only testimony that contradicts the delusions of the lynch mob.

 

[bripat9643]

How so? The medical examiner said the injuries were minor and no where near life threatening.

That is absolutely not relevant. The issue is not the severity of his injury, because it is not Trayvon Martin that's on trial. The issue is Zimmerman's state of mind.

It is very relevant to the issue of self defense. The state has to prove his state of mind to get a second degree murder charge and i believe the state has already downed his self defense claim which requires a reasonable fear. If he had irrational fear he should have claimed insanity.

Wrong.

If someone is punching you in the face and breaks your nose, you have a reasonable basis for blowing his ass away. You don't have to be near the point of death before you can use a gun.

The lynch mob is so incredibly stupid it's difficult to comprehend.

 

[bripat9643]

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I'd love to know what kind of "guilty" verdict would be enough for the PC Police.

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I don't know about them......but I would be satisfied with manslaughter. The dude needs to spend some time behind bars.

You need to spend some time behind bars for the crime of terminal stupidity.

 

[Desperado]

How so? The medical examiner said the injuries were minor and no where near life threatening.

Because Zimmerman was able to stop the beating before the injuries became life threatening. If Zimmerman had not fired his weapon, who knows how bad those injuries would have been.

 

[bripat9643]

Let's stick with the evidence. This is what happens when you judge things based on emotions.

The evidence looks good for Zimmerman.

How so? The medical examiner said the injuries were minor and no where near life threatening.

Except for one thing, the ME admitted to never actually examining Zimmerman.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Just a slight credibility problem there!

 

[bripat9643]

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I'd love to know what kind of "guilty" verdict would be enough for the PC Police.

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Since the judge isn't allowing race into the trial I would say Manslaughter would be fair. But I will accept the jury decision.

But reserve the right to use this in the 20014,2016 elections.

What on Earth does this have to do with the elections? What kind of race-baiting scumbag are you?

That's a rhetorical question I presume.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Where are all the threads on white or Hispanics being slaughtered by blacks??

 

[bripat9643]

It is very relevant to the issue of self defense.

It really isn't. Self defense is based on the belief of the person claiming the right of self defense. If he reasonably believed his life was in danger he is entitled to use deadly force to defend himself. You should know this because of the number of people who find prowlers and burglars in their homes, shoot them and then find out its a family member coming home after a late night. They aren't charged with crimes either.

That comes with a few clauses.

You can't just simply "believe" your life is danger.

It really has to be in danger.

No it doesn't, turd. The example given shows that not to be the case.

And the scenario you cite is covered. You actually have to be in your home, not in a public place.

wrong again.

 

[The Breeze]

Where are all the threads on white or Hispanics being slaughtered by blacks??

Good luck with that.

 

[bripat9643]

The second degree murder charge was an overcharge. They might have had a chance if they had charged him with involuntary manslaughter.

This will be the enduring falsehood of this case. It is the equivalent of "Gore won Florida" and "Iraq was all about WMDs".
You cannot charge involuntary manslaughter in a case where the action was deliberate. Zimmerman admitted to shooting Trayvon. He intentionally pulled the gun and shot him. That is not in dispute. And it does not add up to involuntary manslaughter. Which is why he wasn't charged that way.

Yes, he intentionally shot him in a struggle during a fight where he felt his life was being threatened. It can be argued that he created that situation by stalking, tracking down, and finally confronting Martin, and instigating an argument that led to the fight that led to him killing Martin. That actually fits well within the guidelines of involuntary manslaughter.

No, that can't be argued. That's just lynch mob blather. Nothing Zimmerman did is a justification for assault.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Where's the outrage over the STAGGERING statistics which show blacks commit the majority (by a large percentage) of violent crime? Where is the media in spotlighting those trials?