Multiple Armed Gunman Have Stormed the Michigan State House

[freyasman]

As a general rule, cops tend to lose fights with aggressive attackers.

Not to ones that announce ahead of time they are going to show up in soldier drag.

Cops don't engage with large groups of armed Americans, and usually avoid them like the damn plague. They will call for overwhelming numbers of backup officers for the most trivial of things rather than risk anything like an equitable encounter. When they have to be there, they are very polite and not the least bit aggressive, because they realize they are easy meat for the rest of us, and the last thing they want is to piss us off.

Cops exist because we allow them too, and unlike politicians, they almost all understand this, even if they don't like to admit it, or even think about it.

I don’t think the boys at the capital were any threat. They were just there playing dress up for the most part. Like little boys playing GI Joe.

It’s okay to let them have their fun as long as they don’t get in the way of the adults.

And the cops in their clown suits and shiny tin badges and "Respect ma authoritah!!!" attitudes are doing the same thing...... until the shooting starts anyway.
Then we'll see who's who, and what's what.

 

[OldLady]

Whitmer is just as much responsible for this reaction. She's treated the people of her state like serfs on her manor and callously disregarded their concerns over her actions, even as going as far to mock them on national tv. That's not saying I approve of what is happening here, but she could have prevented this by not acting like an elitist queen whose job it is to rule over the land

You're disingenuous. It's Americans trying to take their lives back from a democrat dictator, and they have every right to!

Sorry, but I don't agree.

They take them back at the ballot box. Not like this.

This is why the 2nd was instituted.
I dont think the intent is to start a shooting war,just a reminder that we the people have the power.

Read Heller, Scalia's comment on bringing guns to Government Buildings.

Is this what you meant?
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

The Court provided examples of laws it considered “presumptively lawful,” including those which:

• Prohibit firearm possession by felons and the mentally ill.
• Forbid firearm possession in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.
• Impose conditions on the commercial sale of firearms.

The Heller decision is 157 pages long. I was not about to read the whole thing looking for his comment.

The Supreme Court & the Second Amendment

The Supreme Court recognizes that the Second Amendment is compatible with strong firearm regulations and gun safety.

lawcenter.giffords.org

That will be voided very soon, to many good judges now

Scalia wrote that opinion.

 

[freyasman]

Cops don't engage with large groups of armed Americans, and usually avoid them like the damn plague. They will call for overwhelming numbers of backup officers for the most trivial of things rather than risk anything like an equitable encounter. When they have to be there, they are very polite and not the least bit aggressive, because they realize they are easy meat for the rest of us, and the last thing they want is to piss us off.

Cops exist because we allow them too, and unlike politicians, they almost all understand this, even if they don't like to admit it, or even think about it.

At least the better among them, and probably most of them, recognize the true source of their authority, and their true duty. This is reflected in statements that we see, from time to time, from various law-enforcement agencies, where they come out and say that they will not enforce certain laws and orders, because those laws and orders are unconstitutional, and enforcing them would be a malfeasant violation of their duty to serve and protect the public against whom those laws and orders are enacted.

I'd like to think so, but I think there is a lot of self-preservation in those refusals to do some of the worst shit.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Cops exist because we allow them too, and unlike politicians, they almost all understand this, even if they don't like to admit it, or even think about it.

Ultimately, all government power derives from rights which belong to individuals, and which each individual would have the right to exercise directly, if there was no government to exercise it on his behalf.

I think law-enforcement officers, closest to where the law they are charged with upholding most directly interacts with the people affected thereby, are much more likely to understand this principle, if unconsciously, than those in positions of government more isolated from the direct effects of the policies that they produce.

A very good read on the subject, and not terribly long, is an article by Ezra Taft Benson, on The Proper Role of Government.

I have a letter from him to me, hand signed.


.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Racists, misogynist and anarchists have crawled out of the gutter and spread their slime all across America. It is time for those of us with a moral compass to speak out with the authority of a real Moral Majority, one which supports a democratic republic and these truths:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”.​

Read this words and consider how in the Age of Trump they have all been abused.

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So you support the protest because visiting family and friends along with buying certain items that people feel necessary appears to qualify as "The Unalienable Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit Of Happiness."

*****SMILE*****

OMG you are dumb, don't ever put words in my mouth or on a page. You're not smart enough and your comment is utter bullshit. I just now came back from Safeway, and bought grocery items. I wore a mask, I washed my hands in the garage and used wipes to clean off all of the items I purchased before bringing them into the kitchen. I live in CA, and support the common sense leadership of our Governor, and all of the Bay Area Pols who put our safety before their careers.

Today some of the dumb shits went to Sacramento to protest, and sought to recall Gov. Newsom. Good luck with that, he puts the people of CA first, and even today supported their right to peacefully assemble and protest his EO to shelter in place.

BTW, both of my sons, and our daughter-in-law are essential workers, thus we can't visit them nor will they visit us since we are in our 70's and our grandsons are 2 and 5. We do through the magic of technology see them on our Smart Phones, and even had birthday parties for the grandsons on line.

 

[Rye Catcher]

These stupid people are putting themselves in danger, as well as their family and friends

 

[colfax_m]

As a general rule, cops tend to lose fights with aggressive attackers.

Not to ones that announce ahead of time they are going to show up in soldier drag.

Cops don't engage with large groups of armed Americans, and usually avoid them like the damn plague. They will call for overwhelming numbers of backup officers for the most trivial of things rather than risk anything like an equitable encounter. When they have to be there, they are very polite and not the least bit aggressive, because they realize they are easy meat for the rest of us, and the last thing they want is to piss us off.

Cops exist because we allow them too, and unlike politicians, they almost all understand this, even if they don't like to admit it, or even think about it.

I don’t think the boys at the capital were any threat. They were just there playing dress up for the most part. Like little boys playing GI Joe.

It’s okay to let them have their fun as long as they don’t get in the way of the adults.

And the cops in their clown suits and shiny tin badges and "Respect ma authoritah!!!" attitudes are doing the same thing...... until the shooting starts anyway.
Then we'll see who's who, and what's what.

Yeah, not really. The protesting kids aren’t going to be shooting anything. They went home that night after their little group therapy and nothing changed.

 

[colfax_m]

Right. The police let them have their little dress up soldier tea party.

You DO realize the bloodbath that would have resulted had the police tried anything rash...right?

Or tried anything at all.

These armed protests seem to have exploded after some incidents with armed protests resulted in victories. See the Bundy standoff in Nevada.


An armed mob was successfully intimidated law enforcement from doing their job. No charges on any of them.

Good.

Because this is the alternative;
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Fuck that.

Hey. I’m the kind of guy that thinks that police enforcing the law is a good thing. Apparently that’s not always a popular opinion.

There are good reasons why not.

Disagree. A willingness to cause senseless violence does not permit one to violate laws.

 

[miketx]

Whitmer is just as much responsible for this reaction. She's treated the people of her state like serfs on her manor and callously disregarded their concerns over her actions, even as going as far to mock them on national tv. That's not saying I approve of what is happening here, but she could have prevented this by not acting like an elitist queen whose job it is to rule over the land

You're disingenuous. It's Americans trying to take their lives back from a democrat dictator, and they have every right to!

Sorry, but I don't agree.

They take them back at the ballot box. Not like this.

This is why the 2nd was instituted.
I dont think the intent is to start a shooting war,just a reminder that we the people have the power.

Read Heller, Scalia's comment on bringing guns to Government Buildings.

Is this what you meant?
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

The Court provided examples of laws it considered “presumptively lawful,” including those which:

• Prohibit firearm possession by felons and the mentally ill.
• Forbid firearm possession in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.
• Impose conditions on the commercial sale of firearms.

The Heller decision is 157 pages long. I was not about to read the whole thing looking for his comment.

The Supreme Court & the Second Amendment

The Supreme Court recognizes that the Second Amendment is compatible with strong firearm regulations and gun safety.

lawcenter.giffords.org

That will be voided very soon, to many good judges now

Scalia wrote that opinion.

Isn't he the guy you vermin murdered?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Racists, misogynist and anarchists have crawled out of the gutter and spread their slime all across America. It is time for those of us with a moral compass to speak out with the authority of a real Moral Majority, one which supports a democratic republic and these truths:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”.​

Read this words and consider how in the Age of Trump they have all been abused.

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So you support the protest because visiting family and friends along with buying certain items that people feel necessary appears to qualify as "The Unalienable Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit Of Happiness."

*****SMILE*****

OMG you are dumb, don't ever put words in my mouth or on a page. You're not smart enough and your comment is utter bullshit. I just now came back from Safeway, and bought grocery items. I wore a mask, I washed my hands in the garage and used wipes to clean off all of the items I purchased before bringing them into the kitchen. I live in CA, and support the common sense leadership of our Governor, and all of the Bay Area Pols who put our safety before their careers.

Today some of the dumb shits went to Sacramento to protest, and sought to recall Gov. Newsom. Good luck with that, he puts the people of CA first, and even today supported their right to peacefully assemble and protest his EO to shelter in place.

BTW, both of my sons, and our daughter-in-law are essential workers, thus we can't visit them nor will they visit us since we are in our 70's and our grandsons are 2 and 5. We do through the magic of technology see them on our Smart Phones, and even had birthday parties for the grandsons on line.

So now you want to live in fear the rest of your life and have government, that appears to think counting all deaths as Covid death, tell you what to do and when you can do it every day of your life.

I'm glad we straightened that up.

Have they given you a uniform, other than a mask and gloves, and taught you to goosestep in time yet?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Characterizing my post to another as a logical fallacy when, INDEED, a significant possibility exists when opposing factions confront each other with the stupidity quotient running high from the knuckle dragging, penis envying, low IQ idiots looking for sport and displays of daring do! Do study up some on fallacies though!

My crude rhetoric? What complaint do you have of my prose directly above, ya bloody wanker?

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Founding fathers had to toss English tea into Boston harbor. Whitmer should be bright enough to think, hey, wait a minute! Why are these people so pissed off. But she isn't up to that.

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

So you stoop to lying and purposeful misrepresentation now...pitiful coward's dodge!

I never came even close to contending an, "OK Corral shoot out was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house." I stand by what I wrote, your faulty and petty "interpretations" notwithstanding!

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Funny me! 56 years ago I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The odd thing is there was no expiration date on that oath! The point is that the thought of taking up arms against a State or the Federal government would require me to violate that oath. You obviously have conflicted loyalties given you side with the Michigander Thugs rather than the Rule of LAW! It must suck to live in your skin!

There are lawful means to resolve grievances

And when the authorities break their oaths and become playtime gods, turning on the people and refusing to resolve said grievances, what then?

They, of course, get squashed like all criminals.

So far? No.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Characterizing my post to another as a logical fallacy when, INDEED, a significant possibility exists when opposing factions confront each other with the stupidity quotient running high from the knuckle dragging, penis envying, low IQ idiots looking for sport and displays of daring do! Do study up some on fallacies though!

My crude rhetoric? What complaint do you have of my prose directly above, ya bloody wanker?

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Founding fathers had to toss English tea into Boston harbor. Whitmer should be bright enough to think, hey, wait a minute! Why are these people so pissed off. But she isn't up to that.

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

So you stoop to lying and purposeful misrepresentation now...pitiful coward's dodge!

I never came even close to contending an, "OK Corral shoot out was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house." I stand by what I wrote, your faulty and petty "interpretations" notwithstanding!

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Funny me! 56 years ago I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The odd thing is there was no expiration date on that oath! The point is that the thought of taking up arms against a State or the Federal government would require me to violate that oath. You obviously have conflicted loyalties given you side with the Michigander Thugs rather than the Rule of LAW! It must suck to live in your skin!

There are lawful means to resolve grievances

And when the authorities break their oaths and become playtime gods, turning on the people and refusing to resolve said grievances, what then?

And when the authorities break their oaths and become playtime gods, turning on the people and refusing to resolve said grievances, what then?

Try a whimper.
Try a whine.
Try feeling so very sorry for yourself.
Don't try to become another God yourself, DUMBASS!

You've never see the result of real tyranny I'll wager, and neither have your brothers you whine with being so put upon.

And Jesus Wept just for you!!

Please make sense so that I can respond.

 

[Redcurtain]

Whitmer is just as much responsible for this reaction. She's treated the people of her state like serfs on her manor and callously disregarded their concerns over her actions, even as going as far to mock them on national tv. That's not saying I approve of what is happening here, but she could have prevented this by not acting like an elitist queen whose job it is to rule over the land

You're disingenuous. It's Americans trying to take their lives back from a democrat dictator, and they have every right to!

Sorry, but I don't agree.

They take them back at the ballot box. Not like this.

This is why the 2nd was instituted.
I dont think the intent is to start a shooting war,just a reminder that we the people have the power.

Read Heller, Scalia's comment on bringing guns to Government Buildings.

Is this what you meant?
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

The Court provided examples of laws it considered “presumptively lawful,” including those which:

• Prohibit firearm possession by felons and the mentally ill.
• Forbid firearm possession in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.
• Impose conditions on the commercial sale of firearms.

The Heller decision is 157 pages long. I was not about to read the whole thing looking for his comment.

The Supreme Court & the Second Amendment

The Supreme Court recognizes that the Second Amendment is compatible with strong firearm regulations and gun safety.

lawcenter.giffords.org

That will be voided very soon, to many good judges now

Scalia wrote that opinion.

Wasn’t the law passed by Congress, then it was upheld by the courts? The courts normally don’t Change a unanimous decision

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Today some of the dumb shits went to Sacramento to protest, and sought to recall Gov. Newsom. Good luck with that, he puts the people of CA first, and even today supported their right to peacefully assemble and protest his EO to shelter in place.

Gavin Newsome is a piece of shit.

He's ordered the release of dangerous criminals, including rapists and child molesters.

He treasonously puts the interests of invading foreign criminals, as well as those of mundane domestic criminals, above that of law-abiding citizens.

He's currently being sued for illegally misappropriating taxpayer funds, with the intent of using them to benefit illegal aliens.

It is, of course, no surprise that a subhuman piece of left wrong-wing shit such as yourself would praise him.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Characterizing my post to another as a logical fallacy when, INDEED, a significant possibility exists when opposing factions confront each other with the stupidity quotient running high from the knuckle dragging, penis envying, low IQ idiots looking for sport and displays of daring do! Do study up some on fallacies though!

My crude rhetoric? What complaint do you have of my prose directly above, ya bloody wanker?

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Founding fathers had to toss English tea into Boston harbor. Whitmer should be bright enough to think, hey, wait a minute! Why are these people so pissed off. But she isn't up to that.

It's moronic and sophomoric just like your contention that at any moment the OK Corral shoot out
was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house.

So you stoop to lying and purposeful misrepresentation now...pitiful coward's dodge!

I never came even close to contending an, "OK Corral shoot out was likely to break out on the steps of the Michigan state house." I stand by what I wrote, your faulty and petty "interpretations" notwithstanding!

Why not stop all the b.s. for a moment and honestly ask yourself why citizens of Michigan feel like they have to show up at the state house, probably disobeying all sorts of Whitmer imperial edicts, with firearms to get the
governor's attention?

Funny me! 56 years ago I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The odd thing is there was no expiration date on that oath! The point is that the thought of taking up arms against a State or the Federal government would require me to violate that oath. You obviously have conflicted loyalties given you side with the Michigander Thugs rather than the Rule of LAW! It must suck to live in your skin!

There are lawful means to resolve grievances

And when the authorities break their oaths and become playtime gods, turning on the people and refusing to resolve said grievances, what then?

And when the authorities break their oaths and become playtime gods, turning on the people and refusing to resolve said grievances, what then?

Try a whimper.
Try a whine.
Try feeling so very sorry for yourself.
Don't try to become another God yourself, DUMBASS!

You've never see the result of real tyranny I'll wager, and neither have your brothers you whine with being so put upon.

And Jesus Wept just for you!!

Please make sense so that I can respond.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

Christ, you're a dense one!
You're the one who asked me "...what then?" So I simply responded to your insipid whine of "playtime gods" and responded with advice for those adrift. If you can't keep up, get the fuck out of the way and don't waste my damn time!

 

[flacaltenn]

Whitmer is just as much responsible for this reaction. She's treated the people of her state like serfs on her manor and callously disregarded their concerns over her actions, even as going as far to mock them on national tv. That's not saying I approve of what is happening here, but she could have prevented this by not acting like an elitist queen whose job it is to rule over the land

What is this an attempted coup? How do these things operate in America? Can this Whitmer woman be FORCED out by the peoples? I have read the threads about her she is a dangerous individual and definately a Leftist Totalitarian, her measures are beyond extreme and many make no sense except to punish the peoples eg. making it illegal to buy seeds to grow their own foods.

She did more than that. After she banned seeds she discovered that people were buying flats of seedlings so she banned those then all gardening supplies to cover vegetables that had already been planted.

I didn't know it was that much warmer in Michigan than here. Nobody around here plants anything 'til Memorial Day. Ground is still way too cold. Even then we sometimes get a frost after.

See the people figure this out thru collective knowledge and experience. You can start seeds indoors or in a glass covered nursery.. People are pretty smart. The govt collectively is NOT that smart, or wise or creative..

The people who bought seeds awhile ago and are starting them themselves are lucky. The governor banned the sale of all seeds a few days ago.

Let's see that Emergency Order. You ignored my post, apparently. It never happened.

Here it is:

"

1. 
   
2. Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:

1. 
   
2. Carpet or flooring.

1. 
   
2. Furniture.

1. 
   
2. Garden centers and plant nurseries."

Executive Order 2020-42: Temporary requirement to suspend activities that are not necessary to sustain or protect life - RESCINDED

www.michigan.gov

Again, read the thread. Garden centers are not the only place you can buy seeds.

Notice it also says plant nurseries? What about fertilizer?
And everyone needs to quit trying to make it about seeds. That was just an example someone used. Any gardening needs are being denied access to, such as fertilizer, which you can not order and have shipped. And the cost to ship soil or mulch? Please.
The gardening schedule published by the state of Michigan-
March
9 Prepare supply list for garden, including fertilizer, tools, transplants, materials for staking, and mulch.
9 Take a soil sample for a soil test as soon as it has thawed.
April
9 Prepare soil when it is dry enough. Take a handful of soil and squeeze. If the soil crumbles when you open your hand, it is ready for planting.
9 Fertilize based on soil test recommendations.
9 Plant cool season crops; onion, beets, lettuce, spinach, carrots and radishes.
9 Plant seeds of cool weather crops for the second and third times, approximately two weeks apart.
9 Thin seedlings of crops planted earlier to their proper spacing.
9 Harden off transplants by setting them outdoors during the day for seven to 14 days before you intend to plant them. Plants should be in shade and protected from wind for a few days during this process. Maintain soil moisture so transplants do not wilt.
9 Plant warm season seeds after the danger of frost is past (link to frost dates table), including cucumbers, squash, pumpkins and melons.
9 Plant the hardened-off transplants of peppers, tomatoes and eggplant.
9 Harvest early plantings of radishes, spinach and lettuce.
9 For succession plantings, plant warm season crops where cool season crops have been harvested.
9 Mulch around plants and in rows to keep soil moist and reduce soil compaction.
9 Monitor crops for insect and disease problems regularly. If you discover a problem, identify its source and take control measures if needed. Contact your local Extension office.
Continued on page 2

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/osa/gardenCalendar_523607_7.pdf

I'm sorry for the gardeners. I am. I always liked gardening when I was able to do it, and I know a lot of people have BIG gardens and grow a lot of vegetables that they can. Or sell.
This thing sucked in a lot of ways for a lot of people. High schoolers will have no graduation. Neither will most college students. Do you think THAT is not a huge disappointment to some of them that worked hard and were proud of their achievement? County fairs are already being cancelled. How many 4-H'ers have been raising their BESTEST damned pig or sheep to win a blue ribbon on? There are thousands of elderly who died alone without their loved ones beside them because of the restrictions. Women have had to give up their dream of a big wedding in a fancy dress--or postpone the wedding indefinitely. How many people had to cancel once-in-a-lifetime trips or give up celebrating a 50th wedding anniversary or spending two weeks with their first grandbaby?
IT SUCKS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. NOT JUST GARDENERS. No one is going to starve because of any of this. It is just heartbreaking but sometimes heartbreaking things happen.
Michigan is 3rd in the country with Covid cases and deaths; only NYC and NJ have more. The governor wanted everyone to stay home and she restricted everything she could think of, praying for those cases to go down.
Have they? I don't know. But the pics of the protesters yesterday, a lot weren't wearing masks. That wasn't smart! The governor has banned groups of ANY number and I suppose she could have sent in the riot police to send them packing, but she didn't. They had their say. I hope they don't end up sick.

THere's a lot of pain and suffering that's not from this disease.. EVERYWHERE you look.... It's not the gardening.. It's what the gardening represents to these people.. People hoarding BOTTLED WATER for pete's sake.. Having a garden is something to look forward.. An easy way to FEEL more secure.. When you remove those havens of perceived safety -- you're really pissing people off. I don't think that was the BIGGEST arbitrary and capricious edict the gov'ner farted out.. Landscapers only work about 5 or 6 months of the year in Mich.. This is a WHOLE YEAR of loss for them.. Especially the small lawnmowing and spraying independents she shut down..

Bottom line kiddo?? Should have locked down the 15% of the population that are being KILLED by this thing... That's anyone over 60 -- or anyone with severe "co-morbidities" that would affect the doctors ability to TREAT them or their ability to get thru it without high risk..

That 15% includes a miniscule number of people BELOW age 60... The avg age of ALL covid deaths was about 80 when we first started getting data on this.. And it's STILL about 80...

If you had put all energies focused into protecting that 15% -- the other 85% would get it and develop the "herd immunity" to make it NOT a recurring threat. The VAST MAJORITY of them probably wouldn't KNOW that they had it.. This is being confirmed with the anti-body testing.

 

[freyasman]

As a general rule, cops tend to lose fights with aggressive attackers.

Not to ones that announce ahead of time they are going to show up in soldier drag.

Cops don't engage with large groups of armed Americans, and usually avoid them like the damn plague. They will call for overwhelming numbers of backup officers for the most trivial of things rather than risk anything like an equitable encounter. When they have to be there, they are very polite and not the least bit aggressive, because they realize they are easy meat for the rest of us, and the last thing they want is to piss us off.

Cops exist because we allow them too, and unlike politicians, they almost all understand this, even if they don't like to admit it, or even think about it.

I don’t think the boys at the capital were any threat. They were just there playing dress up for the most part. Like little boys playing GI Joe.

It’s okay to let them have their fun as long as they don’t get in the way of the adults.

And the cops in their clown suits and shiny tin badges and "Respect ma authoritah!!!" attitudes are doing the same thing...... until the shooting starts anyway.
Then we'll see who's who, and what's what.

Yeah, not really. The protesting kids aren’t going to be shooting anything. They went home that night after their little group therapy and nothing changed.

Speaking of therapy, is insulting people who are willing to risk violence by LE against themselves in order to exercise their right to protest and to be heard, is that how you self-soothe? Does it keep you from feeling shame at the knowledge that these people are both more principled, as well as braver than you are? I think you despise them because you know they are better than you.

I don't think they went there with the intent of shooting anyone, do you? They went to protest, and they went armed to let the dumbfucks who like to give illegal directives know that any attempt to forcibly stop them was going to go badly.

I've run into a lot of folks with the same dismissive, disrespectful, and derisive attitude you have, and like you, they are all too foolish to understand how stupid they are being with their flippant bullshit.

Fools like you end up starting a lot of violence, mostly by being too ignorant and arrogant to realize that they don't know shit. And unfortunately, you are not the ones bearing the brunt of that violence you help to cause, nearly enough, IMO.

People like you are just cowardly, stupid, shit-talking trash.

 

[freyasman]

Right. The police let them have their little dress up soldier tea party.

You DO realize the bloodbath that would have resulted had the police tried anything rash...right?

Or tried anything at all.

These armed protests seem to have exploded after some incidents with armed protests resulted in victories. See the Bundy standoff in Nevada.


An armed mob was successfully intimidated law enforcement from doing their job. No charges on any of them.

Good.

Because this is the alternative;
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Fuck that.

Hey. I’m the kind of guy that thinks that police enforcing the law is a good thing. Apparently that’s not always a popular opinion.

There are good reasons why not.

Disagree. A willingness to cause senseless violence does not permit one to violate laws.

Of course it does, that's what almost every government in history does.

 

[freyasman]

Right. The police let them have their little dress up soldier tea party.

You DO realize the bloodbath that would have resulted had the police tried anything rash...right?

Or tried anything at all.

These armed protests seem to have exploded after some incidents with armed protests resulted in victories. See the Bundy standoff in Nevada.


An armed mob was successfully intimidated law enforcement from doing their job. No charges on any of them.

Good.

Because this is the alternative;
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Fuck that.

Hey. I’m the kind of guy that thinks that police enforcing the law is a good thing. Apparently that’s not always a popular opinion.

There are good reasons why not.

Disagree. A willingness to cause senseless violence does not permit one to violate laws.

There are a lot of laws that are simply wrong..... some things that are illegal, shouldn't be.
I don't think people should be doing life for creating a website, or for doing time for smoking a plant they grew in their attic.
If you're job is to take a guy like that and cuff him up and drag him into a cage, then you're not the good guy and I ain't going to pretend you are.

 

[MeBelle]

Whitmer is just as much responsible for this reaction. She's treated the people of her state like serfs on her manor and callously disregarded their concerns over her actions, even as going as far to mock them on national tv. That's not saying I approve of what is happening here, but she could have prevented this by not acting like an elitist queen whose job it is to rule over the land

All I'm seeing is people armed with phones. Just for fun here's some news from Lansing. Protesters return to Michigan Capitol to decry coronavirus stay-home order
Not much happening as of 20 minutes ago. What else ya got?

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Yup. Two scary dudes. What's the guy up front got on his chest? Is that his lunch box? Man purse? The other guy looks like he's about to shit himself. I like the guy with the umbrella, myself.

An oxygen tank!