Zone1 My advice to Muslims.

[Woodznutz]

The Israelites were Jews regardless of whether they practiced it or not. Got a link that says otherwise?

Actually, it is accurate to say that all Jews were Israelites regardless of their practices.

All Jews are Israelites.
Only Jews are Jews.

Can you produce evidence that all the other tribes were also "Jews"? This ball is in your court.

The problem stems from the fact that the three tribes that remained in Judea after the split; Judah, Levi, and Benjamin; comprised the "Kingdom of Judah" and were considered to be 'Jews' because of Jewish leadership and religion (Judaism). Even so, they retained their tribal identity. For example, only Levites (tribe of Levi for the uninitiated) could perform temple priesthood service. The Jews could not because they weren't Levites.

Also, when Herod had the children killed, hoping to kill the 'Christ child' it was Benjamite children that were killed, not Jewish children. "Weeping" Rachel was mother to Benjamin, not Judah.

 

[Woodznutz]

You mean interpret it by telling us what God meant to say?

What God meant to say is written in the Bible. But it must be read carefully (studied) to be understood. Too much is believed that just isn't true.

 

[Woodznutz]

Four Arab tribes settled in Samaria during the Babylonian exile. That's why the Jews in Jerusalem scorned them.

Source?

 

[theHawk]

The problem is the hadiths were written in Persia 250 years after Muhammad.

Yet Hadiths are essential in Islam. Now you are just going to throw the ones out that you find inconvenient? Typical son of Satan.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Aisha was born before the Call. She was 19.

Taqiyya.


It's what you do.

 

[alang1216]

Actually, it is accurate to say that all Jews were Israelites regardless of their practices.

All Jews are Israelites.
Only Jews are Jews.

Can you produce evidence that all the other tribes were also "Jews"? This ball is in your court.

The problem stems from the fact that the three tribes that remained in Judea after the split; Judah, Levi, and Benjamin; comprised the "Kingdom of Judah" and were considered to be 'Jews' because of Jewish leadership and religion (Judaism). Even so, they retained their tribal identity. For example, only Levites (tribe of Levi for the uninitiated) could perform temple priesthood service. The Jews could not because they weren't Levites.

Also, when Herod had the children killed, hoping to kill the 'Christ child' it was Benjamite children that were killed, not Jewish children. "Weeping" Rachel was mother to Benjamin, not Judah.

The Jewish forefather Jacob (renamed Israel in Genesis 32:29) - son of Isaac and grandson of the patriarch Abraham - fathered 12 sons. They are the ancestors of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

 

[surada]

What followed is that Hagar and Ishmael were indeed cast out.

Abraham had six more sons with Keturah his Arab wife.

 

[surada]

Yet Hadiths are essential in Islam. Now you are just going to throw the ones out that you find inconvenient? Typical son of Satan.

Many hadiths have been authenticated. Just not the Bukhari hadiths.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Jewish forefather Jacob (renamed Israel in Genesis 32:29) - son of Isaac and grandson of the patriarch Abraham - fathered 12 sons. They are the ancestors of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Regarding ancestry, Jacob was more properly a Hebrew (descendant of Eber). His fourth son, by Leah, was Judah. So, while it is proper to call all Israelites Hebrews, only the descendants of Judah are Jews. Unfortunately, Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew have been mashed together, all being considered "Jews" by the uninformed.

Another problem is the term "lost tribes of Israel". Nowhere in the Bible are the tribes of the Northern Kingdom called "the lost tribes". God knows where they are at all times even though they have been lost to secular history (actually few want them found, preferring that the Jews remain the sole 'chosen' of God). They were however, called the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel, meaning spiritually lost, without a shepherd.

 

[Woodznutz]

Abraham had six more sons with Keturah his Arab wife.

None of which received any part of the birthright blessing.

 

[surada]

The Assyrians carried away the notable Israelites of the Northern Kingdom leaving the poor, who were of no value to them. It is to these that Jesus, and the disciples, were sent.

Saigon 2 relocated four Arab tribes to Samaria.

 

[alang1216]

Regarding ancestry, Jacob was more properly a Hebrew (descendant of Eber). His fourth son, by Leah, was Judah. So, while it is proper to call all Israelites Hebrews, only the descendants of Judah are Jews. Unfortunately, Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew have been mashed together, all being considered "Jews" by the uninformed.

Another problem is the term "lost tribes of Israel". Nowhere in the Bible are the tribes of the Northern Kingdom called "the lost tribes". God knows where they are at all times even though they have been lost to secular history (actually few want them found, preferring that the Jews remain the sole 'chosen' of God). They were however, called the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel, meaning spiritually lost, without a shepherd.

I can not find any support for this. Got a link?

 

[Woodznutz]

Saigon 2 relocated four Arab tribes to Samaria.

Assyria transplanted 'people' from four different cities into Samaria. Who they were is uncertain.

 

[Woodznutz]

I can not find any support for this. Got a link?

What do mean by this, specifically?

 

[surada]

Assyria transplanted 'people' from four different cities into Samaria. Who they were is uncertain.

They list the names of Syrian Arab tribes. Don't you read the Bible?

The Annals of Sargon II, c. 722 BCE : Center for Online Judaic Studies

cojs.org

Sargon mentions relocating Syrians, Arabs and other peoples to the region of Samaria- “I crushed the tribes of Tamud, Ibadid, Marsimanu, and Haiapa, the Arabs who live, far away, in the desert (and) who know neither overseers nor officials and who had not (yet) brought their tribute to any king. I deported their survivors and settled (them) in Samaria.” (ANET, 286).

 

[irosie91]

I can not find any support for this. Got a link?

simple---it's not true. The reason the descendants of JACOB ---aka ISRAEL are called
JOOOOOS is because JACOB aka Israel named his son JOOOOOODAH as king of
all the ISRAELITES ---to wit the descendants of JACOB aka ISRAEL. The people of
the KINGDOM OF JOOOOODAH came to be called JOOOOOOS because of that KING
NAMED JOOOOODAH

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sarah was living in the pharaoh's harem twice.

That's advice?

 

[frigidweirdo]

What followed is that Hagar and Ishmael were indeed cast out.

That's advice?

 

[irosie91]

That's advice?

in case you want to socialize in Saudi Arabia

 

[alang1216]

What do mean by this, specifically?

Jacob was a Jew so all his sons were Jews and the tribes they founded would also be Jewish. Why would that not be true?