My older daughter, a teacher, called me last night...

[SassyIrishLass]

You really dont know shit about guns or gun safes do you?

That doesn't matter. If a teacher can get to the gun, so can a wiley student. Arming teachers is an intensely stupid idea. More guns in our country does not mean more safety.

You'll have to explain to me how a kid is going to bypass a biometric lock.
And you may be right in one case kinda...we shouldnt let the female teachers have access to the firearms.

You'll have to show me how a teacher once the shooting begins tries to calm kids or get them to safety and tries to open the safe in all the chaos.

You can open a biometric safe in seconds with your eyes closed.

Sounds very cool, but schools can't afford textbooks or dry erase markers. Biometric safes?

Defund Planned Parenthood and give that money. Instead of killing kids with it we'll be saving them

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if there is total chaos and you're thinking about getting the kids to safety first? You can say all you want sitting behind your computer in the safety of your home. How many teacher's are going to completly going to freeze?

I'm all for one entrance to schools with metal detector's and a carrying cop at the door checking people.

So if 20% carry guns and half of them freeze, so what? The ones who freeze don't help but they don't hurt and you still have the shooter not knowing who is armed.

Also "freeze" is not binary. A teacher may freeze to pursue the shooter, but they may turn around and shoot when the shooter walks into their classroom. Either way, they are a risk to the shooter

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Unrelated. More stupid.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

.... uncharacteristically shaken after going through "shooter training" at school. She said all the female teachers were crying, a mess.

Shooter training.

"What it all boils down to, is that there's not much we can do, dad", she said. "They're going through and putting interior locks on classroom doors. Outside of that, you just have to hope the shooter doesn't find you."

I asked her about guns, and whether she supported the idea of giving teachers the option of having guns. "Hell yes," she said, and they had talked about that in training. She doesn't support it being mandatory, but definitely agreed that if some number of teachers did want to do it, it would help. She would do it.

So that was my Friday evening conversation with my daughter. They're usually a little different.
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I hope she never deal with the issue. There is no way to tell someone how to react because all of us are wired differently.

I would prefer the Schools would hire retired cops or military to do the security while training the staff to be ready for a lockdown.

I would not be a teacher in today environment because of the fact too many crazies!

 

[kaz]

In spite of what occurred on Wednesday, your children ( and their teachers ) are much less likely to be shot in school than they are in their own homes.

The idea that introducing firearms into classrooms will result in a safer environment for children is ludicrous. Fear is a poor basis for sound decision making.

That you have to go with emotional language saying in "classrooms" shows that even you know how terrible your argument is. First, schools are more than just classrooms and administrators don't dwell in classrooms and teachers aren't there all the time. It's about schools, not just "classrooms."

Second, you're afraid teachers are going to start shooting kids who don't do their homework?

That when a kid is murdering 17 students and shooting dozens more your focus is working even harder to ensure his safety shows how sick you are.

They really need to get inner city liberals like you out of your secluded lofts and wine bars and into the rest of America where you can meet real Americans who own guns and you can cure your bigotry and ignorance about Americans

That is awesome. So much stupid in one post. You are fantastic.

You're the one fighting for the safety of people to go into schools and shoot people, and you're talking about someone else's post being "stupid?"

And obviously you picked the word "classrooms" rather than "schools" to appeal to emotion. Man up to it, Nancy

Man...you think you've hit on a big one, huh? A regular semantic Captain Ahab!

You know you're lying. You know you picked "classrooms" for a reason. Man up, Nancy

I am fighting for the safety of people who go into schools and shoot people? More awesome from you. You are on a roll, hot dog.

Yes, you want more laws. Psst, I have a secret, criminals don't obey laws, honest citizens do. Man, didn't see that coming, did you?

And again, explain how drug laws have eliminated drugs

 

[NYcarbineer]

Think about it, the Police were called to this kid's house 39 times, he was expelled from school, he posted a you tube where he claimed to be a future mass murderer and a tipster reported to the FBI in January that he was stockpiling weapons and planning mass murder. Nothing happened because the FBI was focused on a cover up of their illegal surveillance of the President.

And under what law would the FBI be able to confiscate his guns?

 

[LoneLaugher]

In spite of what occurred on Wednesday, your children ( and their teachers ) are much less likely to be shot in school than they are in their own homes.

The idea that introducing firearms into classrooms will result in a safer environment for children is ludicrous. Fear is a poor basis for sound decision making.

That you have to go with emotional language saying in "classrooms" shows that even you know how terrible your argument is. First, schools are more than just classrooms and administrators don't dwell in classrooms and teachers aren't there all the time. It's about schools, not just "classrooms."

Second, you're afraid teachers are going to start shooting kids who don't do their homework?

That when a kid is murdering 17 students and shooting dozens more your focus is working even harder to ensure his safety shows how sick you are.

They really need to get inner city liberals like you out of your secluded lofts and wine bars and into the rest of America where you can meet real Americans who own guns and you can cure your bigotry and ignorance about Americans

That is awesome. So much stupid in one post. You are fantastic.

You're the one fighting for the safety of people to go into schools and shoot people, and you're talking about someone else's post being "stupid?"

And obviously you picked the word "classrooms" rather than "schools" to appeal to emotion. Man up to it, Nancy

Man...you think you've hit on a big one, huh? A regular semantic Captain Ahab!

You know you're lying. You know you picked "classrooms" for a reason. Man up, Nancy

I am fighting for the safety of people who go into schools and shoot people? More awesome from you. You are on a roll, hot dog.

Yes, you want more laws. Psst, I have a secret, criminals don't obey laws, honest citizens do. Man, didn't see that coming, did you?

And again, explain how drug laws have eliminated drugs

I gave no particular forethought to the use of the word "classrooms", retard.

We aren't talking about drugs here, Spanky.

Yes, I want more laws. You nailed it.

 

[kaz]

So if 20% carry guns and half of them freeze, so what? The ones who freeze don't help but they don't hurt and you still have the shooter not knowing who is armed.

Also "freeze" is not binary. A teacher may freeze to pursue the shooter, but they may turn around and shoot when the shooter walks into their classroom. Either way, they are a risk to the shooter

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Countries with strong gun control sure have a lot less shootings.

Single cause fallacy.

I like how leftists say you're the smart ones, then you come up with mind numbingly simplistic statements like that as if it's an argument.

Maybe you can help LoneLaughedAt with how drug laws have eliminated drugs

 

[Brain357]

We can lock down schools and hire lots of armed guards for schools. Now schools are safe. What about churches? Places of work? Concerts? Night clubs? Even our police get shot and killed regularly. These things are rare in countries with strong gun control.

 

[OldLady]

.... uncharacteristically shaken after going through "shooter training" at school. She said all the female teachers were crying, a mess.

Shooter training.

"What it all boils down to, is that there's not much we can do, dad", she said. "They're going through and putting interior locks on classroom doors. Outside of that, you just have to hope the shooter doesn't find you."

I asked her about guns, and whether she supported the idea of giving teachers the option of having guns. "Hell yes," she said, and they had talked about that in training. She doesn't support it being mandatory, but definitely agreed that if some number of teachers did want to do it, it would help. She would do it.

So that was my Friday evening conversation with my daughter. They're usually a little different.
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My guess is that the school will resist letting teachers arm themselves (those that actually own arms and are trained to use them) because lawyers have their heads up everyone's asses about fear of legal liability, even if they arm with the same ammo used by Marshalls aboard planes (won't go through walls) so as a result, NO ONE is willing to take action, take the initiative, or lead. If schools were smart, they would incorporate an intruder control system unknown to anyone but faculty that if a gunman enters the building, classrooms can be locked down and isolated while the intruder is restricted to a hallway, etc., long enough that he can be hit with a gas spray to immobilize or incapacitate him until authorities can arrive. It really isn't that hard if we can get the fucking lawyers out of everyone's asses.

One idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference.

It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
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The problem is the breakdown of the traditional American family, too late... we have already made the bed with fucked up political correctness/affirmative-action/socialism.

Unstable families is part of it. Too much emphasis on our RIGHTS but not the commensurate RESPONSIBILITIES to others is another part of it.

 

[kaz]

So if 20% carry guns and half of them freeze, so what? The ones who freeze don't help but they don't hurt and you still have the shooter not knowing who is armed.

Also "freeze" is not binary. A teacher may freeze to pursue the shooter, but they may turn around and shoot when the shooter walks into their classroom. Either way, they are a risk to the shooter

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Unrelated. More stupid.

Unrelated? What the fuck?

Drug laws have NOT remotely removed drugs.

But gun laws WILL remove guns (according to you).

And you don't see how those are related??? My God man, you are a complete imbicile

 

[Brain357]

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Countries with strong gun control sure have a lot less shootings.

Single cause fallacy.

I like how leftists say you're the smart ones, then you come up with mind numbingly simplistic statements like that as if it's an argument.

Maybe you can help LoneLaughedAt with how drug laws have eliminated drugs

It was a fact. One you seem to not have a real answer for.

 

[kaz]

That you have to go with emotional language saying in "classrooms" shows that even you know how terrible your argument is. First, schools are more than just classrooms and administrators don't dwell in classrooms and teachers aren't there all the time. It's about schools, not just "classrooms."

Second, you're afraid teachers are going to start shooting kids who don't do their homework?

That when a kid is murdering 17 students and shooting dozens more your focus is working even harder to ensure his safety shows how sick you are.

They really need to get inner city liberals like you out of your secluded lofts and wine bars and into the rest of America where you can meet real Americans who own guns and you can cure your bigotry and ignorance about Americans

That is awesome. So much stupid in one post. You are fantastic.

You're the one fighting for the safety of people to go into schools and shoot people, and you're talking about someone else's post being "stupid?"

And obviously you picked the word "classrooms" rather than "schools" to appeal to emotion. Man up to it, Nancy

Man...you think you've hit on a big one, huh? A regular semantic Captain Ahab!

You know you're lying. You know you picked "classrooms" for a reason. Man up, Nancy

I am fighting for the safety of people who go into schools and shoot people? More awesome from you. You are on a roll, hot dog.

Yes, you want more laws. Psst, I have a secret, criminals don't obey laws, honest citizens do. Man, didn't see that coming, did you?

And again, explain how drug laws have eliminated drugs

I gave no particular forethought to the use of the word "classrooms", retard.

Sit and admit to yourself you lied. No one was using the emotional word "classrooms" until you did. You're such a shallow liar, it's pathetic

We aren't talking about drugs here, Spanky.

Yes, I want more laws. You nailed it.

Right, we're talking about laws. Drug laws don't work, they don't work at all. Yet you're claiming a cosmic magic wave will envelope the country and make laws to remove guns suddenly work.

Explain how that makes any sense even in your feeble mind

 

[Brain357]

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Unrelated. More stupid.

Unrelated? What the fuck?

Drug laws have NOT remotely removed drugs.

But gun laws WILL remove guns (according to you).

And you don't see how those are related??? My God man, you are a complete imbicile

Countries with strong gun control have far less shootings than us. Fact.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You can open a biometric safe in seconds with your eyes closed.

Even if there is total chaos and you're thinking about getting the kids to safety first? You can say all you want sitting behind your computer in the safety of your home. How many teacher's are going to completly going to freeze?

I'm all for one entrance to schools with metal detector's and a carrying cop at the door checking people.

So if 20% carry guns and half of them freeze, so what? The ones who freeze don't help but they don't hurt and you still have the shooter not knowing who is armed.

Also "freeze" is not binary. A teacher may freeze to pursue the shooter, but they may turn around and shoot when the shooter walks into their classroom. Either way, they are a risk to the shooter

So a cop walks in and sees someone with a gun without knowing a 100% who the shooter is, bang that teacher is dead. Doesn't matter the teacher is yelling I'm a teacher, how the hell is the cop suppose to know? Bang your dead teach.

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

Yes, still, it could happen no matter how much you train, I concede that.

What's truly bizarre about her argument is that she is choosing to avoid the risk of an accident rather than try to stop someone actually aiming and shooting at people.

You think she'd suddenly get that if she and/or her family were in the building? Maybe the risk of an accident is worth actually trying to stop the shooter?

I know I'd rather risk the "might happen" than the certainty.

 

[fanger]

Mike Ropiness, a NRA spokesman, proposed the idea this morning as part of a plea to schools across America. His hope is to be encourage learning institutes to abandon regular subjects from the curriculum, such as science and history, in favour of classes teaching basic bullet avoiding techniques.

Mr. Ropiness poses the question to media outlets, “How many innocent lives could have been saved if kids knew how to run in a zig zag? How many children could have been saved if they’d just been taught how to do a sweet bullet dodge like Neo from the Matrix? Don’t we owe it to our youth to make sure they have the weapons in their mental arsenal to out run unpreventable bullets?”
Teaching children to Zig Zag best way to avoid school shooting fatalities, say NRA - The Rochdale Herald

 

[BlackSand]

Countries with strong gun control sure have a lot less shootings.

I have yet to see anyone argue with the idea there would be less shootings if no one has a firearm ...
That's not really an argument ... The same as no other country with more strict gun laws is required to follow our Constitution.

People have a tendency to get shot when other people have firearms.
So you are really dealing with people who exercise their Constitutional right to own firearms ... And your desire to remove that right.

I don't think they are going to agree with you ... You might have to change the Constitution, or at least elect some more creative tyrants.

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[HereWeGoAgain]

You really dont know shit about guns or gun safes do you?

That doesn't matter. If a teacher can get to the gun, so can a wiley student. Arming teachers is an intensely stupid idea. More guns in our country does not mean more safety.

You'll have to explain to me how a kid is going to bypass a biometric lock.
And you may be right in one case kinda...we shouldnt let the female teachers have access to the firearms.

You'll have to show me how a teacher once the shooting begins tries to calm kids or get them to safety and tries to open the safe in all the chaos.

You can open a biometric safe in seconds with your eyes closed.

Sounds very cool, but schools can't afford textbooks or dry erase markers. Biometric safes?

You can get a decent one for $150 bucks.
I dont have house keys either,just my left index finger.

 

[OldLady]

Well, that's not why the FBI ignored it, but they made a mistake for sure.
The screeners taking the calls on the hotline have to make a decision on whether the report is credible. When I worked for child protective, we often found that there had been reports deemed "inappropriate" for investigation in the past. (Tip: If you make a report on anyone to any agency, (1) don't call drunk (2) don't try to disguise your voice and (3) don't call the person you're reporting on a goddamned fucking shithead).
This sounds, on paper, as if it was credible. I'm guessing the screener or the supervisor didn't, and there is a reason for it. They were obviously wrong--that happens. But that's my guess for what happened.

... Or they had to go pick up donuts for Mueller's team ...

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Big gas allowance from Miami to Virginia. 53 cents/mile. I'd make the run!

 

[kaz]

That is an unlikely scenario.
There would be training so you could avoid those situations.
And the cops are going in with the knowledge that there are armed teachers.
They could even announce a code word over the intercom telling the teachers that the police are on the scene.

The unlikely scenario is a FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING. This becomes even more unlikely if the availability of weapons is regulated. Simple.

Ah, I see, so you make guns illegal, then criminals can't get them. You mean like drugs ...

Not the sharpest sponge in the shed, are you.

Explain how drug laws are eliminating the availability of drugs. Your turn, go ...

Countries with strong gun control sure have a lot less shootings.

Single cause fallacy.

I like how leftists say you're the smart ones, then you come up with mind numbingly simplistic statements like that as if it's an argument.

Maybe you can help LoneLaughedAt with how drug laws have eliminated drugs

It was a fact. One you seem to not have a real answer for.

I directly addressed your point. You're taking complex situations and boiling it down to a single cause. If you don't understand a single cause fallacy from reading the definition, maybe you can look up a philosophy professor to explain it to you.

And obviously drug laws in the United States do not work. It was illegal to have a gun at the school, it was illegal to commit murder. It was probably in a gun restricted city.

Your solution? More laws. It's as inane as it sounds

 

[BlackSand]

Big gas allowance from Miami to Virginia. 53 cents/mile. I'd make the run!

Don't get your hopes up ... Muller's team is hiding in the salt-grass at Mar-a-Lago ...

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