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/——/ have you been to the airport lately? Walking though the metal sector takes no extra time. The only thing is having the kids step through the door single file./——/ There are many schools with metal detectors and no one has to get in at 5 am.So genius how would you stop it?
Gun free doesn’t
Thorough security measures by professionals with only two main entrances to the school manned by professional security personnel and metal detectors. It should be as difficult to get into a school as it is to get on an airplane.
It would be paid for by the gun industry and gun owners as they are the ones causing the problem.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, do you want the school buses to start arriving at 5 am so security will have sufficient time to screen the thousands of students that arrive in time for school to start by 8am?
I have a better idea! There have been shootings on school buses so each bus should be equipped with it's own metal detectors and the bus drivers can screen all of the backpacks as the students get on the bus. That will only add about an hour to the bus run in the mornings.
So, how do you propose they do that? They are doing a half-ass job if they are not taking that time.
Um... no, tard, an AR-15 is not a machine gun. I would know seeing as how I own one.
This is why you clowns continue to lose the gun control debate, because you lie and people aren't as stupid as you'd like to think.
The insanity continuesOne idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference..... uncharacteristically shaken after going through "shooter training" at school. She said all the female teachers were crying, a mess.
Shooter training.
"What it all boils down to, is that there's not much we can do, dad", she said. "They're going through and putting interior locks on classroom doors. Outside of that, you just have to hope the shooter doesn't find you."
I asked her about guns, and whether she supported the idea of giving teachers the option of having guns. "Hell yes," she said, and they had talked about that in training. She doesn't support it being mandatory, but definitely agreed that if some number of teachers did want to do it, it would help. She would do it.
So that was my Friday evening conversation with my daughter. They're usually a little different.
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My guess is that the school will resist letting teachers arm themselves (those that actually own arms and are trained to use them) because lawyers have their heads up everyone's asses about fear of legal liability, even if they arm with the same ammo used by Marshalls aboard planes (won't go through walls) so as a result, NO ONE is willing to take action, take the initiative, or lead. If schools were smart, they would incorporate an intruder control system unknown to anyone but faculty that if a gunman enters the building, classrooms can be locked down and isolated while the intruder is restricted to a hallway, etc., long enough that he can be hit with a gas spray to immobilize or incapacitate him until authorities can arrive. It really isn't that hard if we can get the fucking lawyers out of everyone's asses.
It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
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I think changing the doors to be resistant to bullets and a partition in each room where the class could get behind so it would appear the room was emply would be a help. IIf teachers don'r get permission for guns, perhaps stun guns could be an idea.
A phone in every room to let the office know about the possible location of the shooter would be possible, That sbhool was so incredibly large it would be hard to locate a shooter.
If the teachers get guns, there is a new lock that opens with fingerprintsthat will be available instead of a numbered code that most every teacher would not remember in a time of emergency. Key? Good lock in findng it in a frenzy.
Everyone knows what is meant by an assault weapon. To change the term now would be changing it for political reasons./——/ there is no such thing as an assault weapon. It’s a made up bs phrase meant to demonize gunsWhy citizens need assault rifles for I don't get but I am not for banning guns. No self respecting Hunter uses one. I own guns for hunting and find no reason for an assault rifle....the newer rifles are junk....my old bolt action is ten times the hunting rifle.
No one uses an assault rifle for anything outside the military and a few police. You are as bad as everyone else who thinks all "black scary rifles" are assault weapons. They aren't!
Learn the truth!
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One idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference..... uncharacteristically shaken after going through "shooter training" at school. She said all the female teachers were crying, a mess.
Shooter training.
"What it all boils down to, is that there's not much we can do, dad", she said. "They're going through and putting interior locks on classroom doors. Outside of that, you just have to hope the shooter doesn't find you."
I asked her about guns, and whether she supported the idea of giving teachers the option of having guns. "Hell yes," she said, and they had talked about that in training. She doesn't support it being mandatory, but definitely agreed that if some number of teachers did want to do it, it would help. She would do it.
So that was my Friday evening conversation with my daughter. They're usually a little different.
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My guess is that the school will resist letting teachers arm themselves (those that actually own arms and are trained to use them) because lawyers have their heads up everyone's asses about fear of legal liability, even if they arm with the same ammo used by Marshalls aboard planes (won't go through walls) so as a result, NO ONE is willing to take action, take the initiative, or lead. If schools were smart, they would incorporate an intruder control system unknown to anyone but faculty that if a gunman enters the building, classrooms can be locked down and isolated while the intruder is restricted to a hallway, etc., long enough that he can be hit with a gas spray to immobilize or incapacitate him until authorities can arrive. It really isn't that hard if we can get the fucking lawyers out of everyone's asses.
It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
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that is not really a good idea
only those who want to and have been fully trained for should handle the weapon
as for a plan every classroom should have an escape window operable from the inside
kids should be taught to " get out of there " now instead of "locking yourself in a build" with an active shooter
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
What about the guy shooting through windows like this guy?I think probably you never enter a school and you never fly because you are completely wrong about how difficult it is to enter a school or get on a plane. The security for entering schools in America is 1) walk in and go to reception where they ask what you want and give you a pass to hang on your blouse/shirt. And that's it. Most schools have no security. And they have multiple entrances, If you don't enter by the main door that goes into the reception area, you just walk in w/o anyone paying any attention. And don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about: I've been teaching for 30 years.So genius how would you stop it?Because accidents happen. And I know well that in a school environment with hundreds of kids milling around the halls, in and out of classrooms, up and down stairs, congregating in the cafeteria and so on...that it is not easy to control anything, much less make sure that a firearm is always secure. Too much of a possibility for a deadly accident.
Kids pull fire alarms all the time, just as a joke. They create chaos when ever they can just for fun. It is far too problematic an environment for guns to be part of the mix.
And I'll tell you something else: the vast majority of teachers and parents do not want them in schools. If I were teaching in a school that suddenly allowed teachers to carry guns, I'd quit and so would millions of others. Millions of parents would not allow the school district to implement a program that allowed teachers to carry guns, It is simply not a plausible thing to consider. Maybe in some extremely rightwing areas, but nationwide it will not fly.
Gun free doesn’t
Thorough security measures by professionals with only two main entrances to the school manned by professional security personnel and metal detectors. It should be as difficult to get into a school as it is to get on an airplane.
It would be paid for by the gun industry and gun owners as they are the ones causing the problem.
Okay, first of all, it already IS as difficult to get into a school as it is to get on an airplane, which is why we now have armed pilots. And as you can see, I for one am all in favor of continuing to follow that model by also having armed teachers/security guards.
Second of all, may I point out that YOU are the one insisting that everyone be kept helpless in the face of evildoers, and every single school shooting in this country has taken place under YOUR point of view, not mine, which makes YOU the one causing the problem. So if you want to point fingers, why don't you start with the idiots like yourself whose pie-in-the-sky daydreams of "gun free zones" have actually killed people? Don't even START trying on that self-righteous blame game while the blood drips off your hands.
If you don't fly, I guess you don't know the security one goes through. You must first buy a ticket, check in, show ID, and get a boarding pass. Once you check in and get your boarding pass, you go through a security process where your bag, shoes, coat, purse, etc., are removed and put through an xray machine that examines the contents. You walk through a metal detector and if the buzzer goes off, you are patted down, There have been no hijackings or bombs on planes because this search is so thorough. Getting into a school is nothing whatsoever like this.
The fact people like you want teachers to be armed just illustrates your obession with guns, as if everyone on the planet needs to carry in order to survive. The perspective is juvenile.
You don't know what you are talking about and I don't care that you have been teaching 30 years simply because you are a dumbass!
1) Press a button and identify yourself and then be admitted to the office where your identity is verified by a photo ID.
2) You never listed a number 2.
Every school I have taught in had security except the one located on an Army post. Our current security is a deputy sheriff for the county. Other schools had resource officers who were armed and additional unarmed security.
There is usually only one entrance for students. At one school, we had one entrance for student drivers on one side of the building and one entrance for bus riders on the other.
How many decades ago did you stop teaching? Things change almost daily as we learn from other's mistakes..
Why not install bulletproof glass? Cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding a school? First floor only?One idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference.My guess is that the school will resist letting teachers arm themselves (those that actually own arms and are trained to use them) because lawyers have their heads up everyone's asses about fear of legal liability, even if they arm with the same ammo used by Marshalls aboard planes (won't go through walls) so as a result, NO ONE is willing to take action, take the initiative, or lead. If schools were smart, they would incorporate an intruder control system unknown to anyone but faculty that if a gunman enters the building, classrooms can be locked down and isolated while the intruder is restricted to a hallway, etc., long enough that he can be hit with a gas spray to immobilize or incapacitate him until authorities can arrive. It really isn't that hard if we can get the fucking lawyers out of everyone's asses.
It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
.
that is not really a good idea
only those who want to and have been fully trained for should handle the weapon
as for a plan every classroom should have an escape window operable from the inside
kids should be taught to " get out of there " now instead of "locking yourself in a build" with an active shooter
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
I just so happened to design the plan for the high school where I taught for 4 years because I was the only veteran on the faculty!
Guess how many windows my classroom has this year? None.
Last year? None.
The previous 4 years? None.
The year prior? It had 2 small windows and I was located on the second floor. It was about 25 feet to the ground.
How about 4 years in another two schools? There were windows all along one wall and they were 6 feet off the floor.
I had really nice windows when I taught on an Army post. The school was built in 1957 and was torn down the next year. The new school? No windows.
Now, THAT is bullshit. I know what an "assault weapon" is, but lost on a "glock." See what I mean. I think there are more people that are gun ignorant that a weapons specialist out there.Everyone knows what is meant by an assault weapon. To change the term now would be changing it for political reasons./——/ there is no such thing as an assault weapon. It’s a made up bs phrase meant to demonize gunsWhy citizens need assault rifles for I don't get but I am not for banning guns. No self respecting Hunter uses one. I own guns for hunting and find no reason for an assault rifle....the newer rifles are junk....my old bolt action is ten times the hunting rifle.
No one uses an assault rifle for anything outside the military and a few police. You are as bad as everyone else who thinks all "black scary rifles" are assault weapons. They aren't!
Learn the truth!
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"Everyone knows" is another way of saying, "I'm spouting bullshit, and don't want to be called on it".
In spite of what occurred on Wednesday, your children ( and their teachers ) are much less likely to be shot in school than they are in their own homes.
The idea that introducing firearms into classrooms will result in a safer environment for children is ludicrous. Fear is a poor basis for sound decision making.
No, I'm fairly certain they're at very little risk, comparatively, of someone barging into their home with a gun and deliberately looking to shoot people.
That is exactly what happened to my daughter-in-law's family. Three teenagers busted in the door and shot her stepfather twice with a sawed off shotgun.
*sigh* I didn't say home invasions didn't happen. I said they're at less risk of that than of a school shooting. And unless you're agreeing with LoneLaughedAt and trying to bolster his argument, I'd love to know what point you're trying to make here.
Why not install bulletproof glass? Cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding a school? First floor only?One idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference.
It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
.
that is not really a good idea
only those who want to and have been fully trained for should handle the weapon
as for a plan every classroom should have an escape window operable from the inside
kids should be taught to " get out of there " now instead of "locking yourself in a build" with an active shooter
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
I just so happened to design the plan for the high school where I taught for 4 years because I was the only veteran on the faculty!
Guess how many windows my classroom has this year? None.
Last year? None.
The previous 4 years? None.
The year prior? It had 2 small windows and I was located on the second floor. It was about 25 feet to the ground.
How about 4 years in another two schools? There were windows all along one wall and they were 6 feet off the floor.
I had really nice windows when I taught on an Army post. The school was built in 1957 and was torn down the next year. The new school? No windows.
/——/ Ever drive though the bad lands of Brooklyn? Every home has bars on their windows. Same in Harlem and the Bronx.You have no imagination. Bars are not necessarly inches apart. It's really sad. Get off the internet and go do your homework.Bars on all first floor windows.He shot through the window stupid! It’s more complicated then you even know!
Yeah, because bullets are so big, they can't possibly get between the bars.
Seriously, how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
Let's see a photo of these bars you want installed!
You cannot put bars on a window. It is a fire hazard.
Dumbass!
Again proving you know nothing about firearms or the methods used to store them.
Unless someone chops off his/hers hand they'll be able to open the safe in seconds even with their eyes closed.
Schools can't afford textbooks, much less expensive safes for guns that teachers don't want in their classrooms.
And life! Didn’t hurt me to have windows. I don’t want warehouses as schools and it’s a fire trapWhy not install bulletproof glass? Cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding a school? First floor only?that is not really a good idea
only those who want to and have been fully trained for should handle the weapon
as for a plan every classroom should have an escape window operable from the inside
kids should be taught to " get out of there " now instead of "locking yourself in a build" with an active shooter
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
I just so happened to design the plan for the high school where I taught for 4 years because I was the only veteran on the faculty!
Guess how many windows my classroom has this year? None.
Last year? None.
The previous 4 years? None.
The year prior? It had 2 small windows and I was located on the second floor. It was about 25 feet to the ground.
How about 4 years in another two schools? There were windows all along one wall and they were 6 feet off the floor.
I had really nice windows when I taught on an Army post. The school was built in 1957 and was torn down the next year. The new school? No windows.
That is not why they replaced the school. With a regiment of the 1st Infantry Division a few hundred yards away, there was not much of a threat.
Schools do not need windows because most students get distracted by rain, hail, snow and any other weather. It is also safer not to have them. The added benefit is that kids don't stare out the window daydreaming the class time away.
And life! Didn’t hurt me to have windows. I don’t want warehouses as schools and it’s a fire trapWhy not install bulletproof glass? Cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding a school? First floor only?Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
I just so happened to design the plan for the high school where I taught for 4 years because I was the only veteran on the faculty!
Guess how many windows my classroom has this year? None.
Last year? None.
The previous 4 years? None.
The year prior? It had 2 small windows and I was located on the second floor. It was about 25 feet to the ground.
How about 4 years in another two schools? There were windows all along one wall and they were 6 feet off the floor.
I had really nice windows when I taught on an Army post. The school was built in 1957 and was torn down the next year. The new school? No windows.
That is not why they replaced the school. With a regiment of the 1st Infantry Division a few hundred yards away, there was not much of a threat.
Schools do not need windows because most students get distracted by rain, hail, snow and any other weather. It is also safer not to have them. The added benefit is that kids don't stare out the window daydreaming the class time away.
Now, THAT is bullshit. I know what an "assault weapon" is, but lost on a "glock." See what I mean. I think there are more people that are gun ignorant that a weapons specialist out there.Everyone knows what is meant by an assault weapon. To change the term now would be changing it for political reasons./——/ there is no such thing as an assault weapon. It’s a made up bs phrase meant to demonize gunsWhy citizens need assault rifles for I don't get but I am not for banning guns. No self respecting Hunter uses one. I own guns for hunting and find no reason for an assault rifle....the newer rifles are junk....my old bolt action is ten times the hunting rifle.
No one uses an assault rifle for anything outside the military and a few police. You are as bad as everyone else who thinks all "black scary rifles" are assault weapons. They aren't!
Learn the truth!
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"Everyone knows" is another way of saying, "I'm spouting bullshit, and don't want to be called on it".
Thorough security measures by professionals with only two main entrances to the school manned by professional security personnel and metal detectors. It should be as difficult to get into a school as it is to get on an airplane.
It would be paid for by the gun industry and gun owners as they are the ones causing the problem.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, do you want the school buses to start arriving at 5 am so security will have sufficient time to screen the thousands of students that arrive in time for school to start by 8am?
I have a better idea! There have been shootings on school buses so each bus should be equipped with it's own metal detectors and the bus drivers can screen all of the backpacks as the students get on the bus. That will only add about an hour to the bus run in the mornings.
Thorough security measures by professionals with only two main entrances to the school manned by professional security personnel and metal detectors. It should be as difficult to get into a school as it is to get on an airplane.
It would be paid for by the gun industry and gun owners as they are the ones causing the problem.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, do you want the school buses to start arriving at 5 am so security will have sufficient time to screen the thousands of students that arrive in time for school to start by 8am?
I have a better idea! There have been shootings on school buses so each bus should be equipped with it's own metal detectors and the bus drivers can screen all of the backpacks as the students get on the bus. That will only add about an hour to the bus run in the mornings.
You know if make the local schools like a TSA checkpoint ... Then the children will learn to surrender to authority a whole lot quicker.
What better way is there to instill a submissive mentality than to get children used to a police state in Pre-K ...
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An AR-15, repeating gunsNow, THAT is bullshit. I know what an "assault weapon" is, but lost on a "glock." See what I mean. I think there are more people that are gun ignorant that a weapons specialist out there.Everyone knows what is meant by an assault weapon. To change the term now would be changing it for political reasons./——/ there is no such thing as an assault weapon. It’s a made up bs phrase meant to demonize gunsNo one uses an assault rifle for anything outside the military and a few police. You are as bad as everyone else who thinks all "black scary rifles" are assault weapons. They aren't!
Learn the truth!
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"Everyone knows" is another way of saying, "I'm spouting bullshit, and don't want to be called on it".
And I'm still waiting for you to fill us in on what you think an "assault weapon" is. So far, I've gotten "everyone knows" and "I know", but no demonstration of either.
sure cool guy --LOLOne idea that the trainer brought up - so it must be circulating - was to have a gun in a locked safe in every classroom. The teachers shot that idea down (oops) for a variety of reasons, and I can understand that. But it seems to me that if there are a few employees willing to carry it could (could) make a difference.My guess is that the school will resist letting teachers arm themselves (those that actually own arms and are trained to use them) because lawyers have their heads up everyone's asses about fear of legal liability, even if they arm with the same ammo used by Marshalls aboard planes (won't go through walls) so as a result, NO ONE is willing to take action, take the initiative, or lead. If schools were smart, they would incorporate an intruder control system unknown to anyone but faculty that if a gunman enters the building, classrooms can be locked down and isolated while the intruder is restricted to a hallway, etc., long enough that he can be hit with a gas spray to immobilize or incapacitate him until authorities can arrive. It really isn't that hard if we can get the fucking lawyers out of everyone's asses.
It's insane that we're even having to talk about this, and it's indicative of a much larger problem.
.
that is not really a good idea
only those who want to and have been fully trained for should handle the weapon
as for a plan every classroom should have an escape window operable from the inside
kids should be taught to " get out of there " now instead of "locking yourself in a build" with an active shooter
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period! My first school had no windows except in entrances and hallways. I am sure you have about $30 million laying around to build a new school.
Also, are you familiar with the school shooting that happened when a student shot other students leaving school from a wooded area near the school?
The procedure is to run, hide, and fight. First, run away and get behind a locked door or out of the building. If you cannot run, you hide. If you cannot hide or are found, fight!
,
Yeah, that will work great on a school that has no windows period!
well thanks for the absolutes arnt you just a fucking genius
you would have to design your own plan by the looks of your fucking smart mouth that should be easy for you to do
I just so happened to design the plan for the high school where I taught for 4 years because I was the only veteran on the faculty!
Guess how many windows my classroom has this year? None.
Last year? None.
The previous 4 years? None.
The year prior? It had 2 small windows and I was located on the second floor. It was about 25 feet to the ground.
How about 4 years in another two schools? There were windows all along one wall and they were 6 feet off the floor, on the second floor looking out at a closed courtyard.
I had really nice windows when I taught on an Army post. The school was built in 1957 and was torn down the next year. The new school? No windows.
