My predictions for the trump impeachment

[Faun]

So let's say, for arguments sake, Democrats prove conclusively that he used that military aid to coerce Zelensky to dig for dirt on Biden -- you still think Republicans won't convict him?

Sure they would. But that's a silly scenario.

Trump almost definitely wasn't looking for dirt. Just asking to restart an investigation.

LOLOL

Which just happens to be about one of his leading rivals in the upcoming election.

If you're ok with that, I assume you're also ok if he asks Mexico to "investigate" Warren and someone else to "investigate" Buttigieg and someone else to "investigate" Sanders; and before you know it, trump can eliminate all of his election rivals by having them all investigated.

That's cool with you, right?

Now you answer.

Will Democrats call for the Bidens to go to jail if its proven that Hunter was selling influence and Joe got his prosecutor removed by bribing the Ukes with taxpayer funds?

You asked the wrong question. We know that Biden bribed Ukraine. He did so, apparently, to remove a prosecutor who had nothing to do with his son.

So the right question would Democrats want Biden to go to jail if it was proven Shokin was actively investigating Burisma and Hunter when Joe Biden used that guaranteed loan to get Shokin fired? And the answer to that is yes.

 

[Muhammed]

Convict him of what?

That would be blackmail. So? Do you think Republicans would vote to convict?

That's not blackmail, dumbass.

You're right, it's bribery. So again, for argument's sake, let's say trump did that and gets impeached... do you think Republicans in the Senate will vote to convict?

No, it's not bribery, dumbass.

If he used the military aid as a dangling carrot to get Zelensky to do his bidding, it fits the very definition of bribery.

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.​

It's neither illegal nor dishonest and therefore not bribery.

 

[jameny5]

I would say "nevermind" predictions because anything could happen. Trump is a "dirty" man. He has a lot of tricks up his sleeve. Making the end result fall in his favor. Just get to the polls and vote him out! This is what half of the country wants. So go do it. End of story!

 

[Faun]

That would be blackmail. So? Do you think Republicans would vote to convict?

That's not blackmail, dumbass.

You're right, it's bribery. So again, for argument's sake, let's say trump did that and gets impeached... do you think Republicans in the Senate will vote to convict?

No, it's not bribery, dumbass.

If he used the military aid as a dangling carrot to get Zelensky to do his bidding, it fits the very definition of bribery.

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.​

It's neither illegal nor dishonest and therefore not bribery.

Of course it's dishonest. Ukraine already declared that Biden did nothing wrong. Asking them to restart the investigation despite that which just happens to be against his political rival is certainly dishonest.

 

[Wyatt earp]

This is just a thrown dart prediction, it doesnt mean anything but I do think it has some merit.

First, trumps presidency will not survive this. I've said for a long time that people are way too confident when it comes to trump winning in 2020. I think his odds are not as good as many would think.

Most people in the u.s. are not as politically "in tune" as those you see here. By that, I mean, most dont really follow politics. They are generally armchair pundits that follow it as much as the hour of news they watch each night. I would say they would be easily influenced by other opinions as, while they call themselves republicans, that is a term they use to associate themselves with a certain set of ideals attributed to a politician in their party. Very few have the wherewithal to actually argue politics.

The left wing media machine has done an excellent job of pushing a narrative. The left, if nothing else, are persistent, and unwavering. This persistence does have an effect on those republicans I described above. Mabey not all, but many.

The left has done a very good at associating things like misogyny, racism, greed, anti immigration, and womanizing with trump. This has spillover consequence. The left is pushing the narrative that if you support trump, and/or vote for him, you support all of those attributes and that means you are all of then as well, even though none of it is true, you may just be voting for the candidate on the platform, against democrats.

But what if that isnt the only consequence? What if it is found out that you voted for trump at your place if employment? It could cause problems. Sure, they cant fire you for voting for a president, but if they are successful in labeling you a racist/womanizer/mysoginist because of your support for him, that could cause issues, especially if people look back in your years at the job and if someone starts thinking: "hmm, 2 years ago I heard him make a comment about soandso, and knowing he is a trump supporter, it makes sense now".

Especially if you are at odds with someone at work, they could leverage this against you.

People are afraid of labels, and if they think they will be labeled, it could cause some people to abstain from voting altogether.

This is also why many Republican members of congress who are in an election year may start to jump ship if it looks like things are going bad for trump, because they are afraid of being labeled, and they will be afraid of losing their seat if they see the public majority are increasing animosity against trump (remember, there are generally more democrats than republicans).

There is no way the democrats are not going to bring articles of impeachment. This will go to trial in the senate. There will be a lot of pressure on republicans on the senate to impeach him.

This will probably go down in one of two ways:

1) trump loses in 2020 because of a successful media campaign against him that sways voters due to unwanted labeling or because they become convinced the left is right.

2) a brutal impeachment inquiry and subsequent trial may mean things start looking bad for trump. If trump feels he may end up being a candidate for removal, cuts a deal to end the investigation in return for his resignation. I'm sorry to say it, but I don't believe trump will let himself be the first president to be removed from office.

It doesnt even matter if he is guilty or not. Is it not possible that simply being an impeached president with the aura of corruption (whether true or not) hanging around you could spell problems for his business dealings? Is he willing to risk that for a presidency?

Again, this is just an opinion, but I feel there may be some merit to it. I feel it may be imperative to have another Republican candidate on deck. I am willing to admit I'm totally wrong here, as this is just some preliminary notions.

If trump gets impeached, the 2020 election will come down to how justified America perceives the impeachment is. If Democrats impeach him lacking compelling evidence, he'll run, wearing impeachment as a badge, and win easily. But on the other hand, if Democrats can find undeniable evidence that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it; and Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, he would lose <hyperbole>if I ran against him</hyperbole>.

Trump has already admitted "that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it" - PUBLICLY.

Is this "dirt" happened 60 years ago or when Biden was in power?

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

That's not blackmail, dumbass.

You're right, it's bribery. So again, for argument's sake, let's say trump did that and gets impeached... do you think Republicans in the Senate will vote to convict?

No, it's not bribery, dumbass.

If he used the military aid as a dangling carrot to get Zelensky to do his bidding, it fits the very definition of bribery.

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.​

It's neither illegal nor dishonest and therefore not bribery.

Of course it's dishonest. Ukraine already declared that Biden did nothing wrong. Asking them to restart the investigation despite that which just happens to be against his political rival is certainly dishonest.

When? Link?

 

[OldLady]

Can anybody explain the difference between trump reaching out to Ukraine for dirt and the DNC reaching out to an ex British spy (Steele) for opposition research??

The DNC didn't reach out to an ex British spy for opposition research. Do I have to remind even you of that? If we're going to talk about this thing, let's at least be factual.

 

[OldLady]

This is just a thrown dart prediction, it doesnt mean anything but I do think it has some merit.

First, trumps presidency will not survive this. I've said for a long time that people are way too confident when it comes to trump winning in 2020. I think his odds are not as good as many would think.

Most people in the u.s. are not as politically "in tune" as those you see here. By that, I mean, most dont really follow politics. They are generally armchair pundits that follow it as much as the hour of news they watch each night. I would say they would be easily influenced by other opinions as, while they call themselves republicans, that is a term they use to associate themselves with a certain set of ideals attributed to a politician in their party. Very few have the wherewithal to actually argue politics.

The left wing media machine has done an excellent job of pushing a narrative. The left, if nothing else, are persistent, and unwavering. This persistence does have an effect on those republicans I described above. Mabey not all, but many.

The left has done a very good at associating things like misogyny, racism, greed, anti immigration, and womanizing with trump. This has spillover consequence. The left is pushing the narrative that if you support trump, and/or vote for him, you support all of those attributes and that means you are all of then as well, even though none of it is true, you may just be voting for the candidate on the platform, against democrats.

But what if that isnt the only consequence? What if it is found out that you voted for trump at your place if employment? It could cause problems. Sure, they cant fire you for voting for a president, but if they are successful in labeling you a racist/womanizer/mysoginist because of your support for him, that could cause issues, especially if people look back in your years at the job and if someone starts thinking: "hmm, 2 years ago I heard him make a comment about soandso, and knowing he is a trump supporter, it makes sense now".

Especially if you are at odds with someone at work, they could leverage this against you.

People are afraid of labels, and if they think they will be labeled, it could cause some people to abstain from voting altogether.

This is also why many Republican members of congress who are in an election year may start to jump ship if it looks like things are going bad for trump, because they are afraid of being labeled, and they will be afraid of losing their seat if they see the public majority are increasing animosity against trump (remember, there are generally more democrats than republicans).

There is no way the democrats are not going to bring articles of impeachment. This will go to trial in the senate. There will be a lot of pressure on republicans on the senate to impeach him.

This will probably go down in one of two ways:

1) trump loses in 2020 because of a successful media campaign against him that sways voters due to unwanted labeling or because they become convinced the left is right.

2) a brutal impeachment inquiry and subsequent trial may mean things start looking bad for trump. If trump feels he may end up being a candidate for removal, cuts a deal to end the investigation in return for his resignation. I'm sorry to say it, but I don't believe trump will let himself be the first president to be removed from office.

It doesnt even matter if he is guilty or not. Is it not possible that simply being an impeached president with the aura of corruption (whether true or not) hanging around you could spell problems for his business dealings? Is he willing to risk that for a presidency?

Again, this is just an opinion, but I feel there may be some merit to it. I feel it may be imperative to have another Republican candidate on deck. I am willing to admit I'm totally wrong here, as this is just some preliminary notions.

If trump gets impeached, the 2020 election will come down to how justified America perceives the impeachment is. If Democrats impeach him lacking compelling evidence, he'll run, wearing impeachment as a badge, and win easily. But on the other hand, if Democrats can find undeniable evidence that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it; and Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, he would lose <hyperbole>if I ran against him</hyperbole>.

Trump has already admitted "that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it" - PUBLICLY.

Care to link to your quote?

Funny. Don't you have access to TV, Internet, newspapers...? Google it...

Yea I did and I can't find anything about that. All I see is that Trump said he withheld money from them (which he can do) and said it had nothing to do with the Biden thing.

So you misquoted or you are just dishonest. Which is it?

Trump was justifying withholding $$ from Ukraine unless they looked into Biden's "corruption." Then he turned around later in the day and said he never told the Ukranian president that he wouldn't get his military aid unless he investigated. Well, no, Trump is wiley enough to not come out and say it while transcribers are writing down every word. I'm sure though that it was understood, since the payment had been held up. Trump says he decided to withhold the aid because he wanted other countries (in NATO, I presume) to chip in. He doesn't see why it has to be the US only. He says he changed his mind a few days later after 'guys told him it wasn't a good idea" (to withhold the aid).
What Trump said that sort of kind of admits he was withholding the funds to pressure Ukraine on the Biden investigation:

"We want to make sure that country is honest. It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?" Trump told reporters Monday morning in New York, when asked what he had spoken about with Ukraine's new president in a July phone call.
“It’s very important that, on occasion, you speak to somebody about corruption,” he said, moments after telling journalists: "Let me just tell you — let me just tell you. What Biden did was wrong."
Trump suggests he tied Ukraine funding to corruption, cites Biden allegations

 

[Faun]

You're right, it's bribery. So again, for argument's sake, let's say trump did that and gets impeached... do you think Republicans in the Senate will vote to convict?

No, it's not bribery, dumbass.

If he used the military aid as a dangling carrot to get Zelensky to do his bidding, it fits the very definition of bribery.

persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.​

It's neither illegal nor dishonest and therefore not bribery.

Of course it's dishonest. Ukraine already declared that Biden did nothing wrong. Asking them to restart the investigation despite that which just happens to be against his political rival is certainly dishonest.

When? Link?

Try following the dialog.

 

[Defiant1]

This is just a thrown dart prediction, it doesnt mean anything but I do think it has some merit.

First, trumps presidency will not survive this. I've said for a long time that people are way too confident when it comes to trump winning in 2020. I think his odds are not as good as many would think.

Most people in the u.s. are not as politically "in tune" as those you see here. By that, I mean, most dont really follow politics. They are generally armchair pundits that follow it as much as the hour of news they watch each night. I would say they would be easily influenced by other opinions as, while they call themselves republicans, that is a term they use to associate themselves with a certain set of ideals attributed to a politician in their party. Very few have the wherewithal to actually argue politics.

The left wing media machine has done an excellent job of pushing a narrative. The left, if nothing else, are persistent, and unwavering. This persistence does have an effect on those republicans I described above. Mabey not all, but many.

The left has done a very good at associating things like misogyny, racism, greed, anti immigration, and womanizing with trump. This has spillover consequence. The left is pushing the narrative that if you support trump, and/or vote for him, you support all of those attributes and that means you are all of then as well, even though none of it is true, you may just be voting for the candidate on the platform, against democrats.

But what if that isnt the only consequence? What if it is found out that you voted for trump at your place if employment? It could cause problems. Sure, they cant fire you for voting for a president, but if they are successful in labeling you a racist/womanizer/mysoginist because of your support for him, that could cause issues, especially if people look back in your years at the job and if someone starts thinking: "hmm, 2 years ago I heard him make a comment about soandso, and knowing he is a trump supporter, it makes sense now".

Especially if you are at odds with someone at work, they could leverage this against you.

People are afraid of labels, and if they think they will be labeled, it could cause some people to abstain from voting altogether.

This is also why many Republican members of congress who are in an election year may start to jump ship if it looks like things are going bad for trump, because they are afraid of being labeled, and they will be afraid of losing their seat if they see the public majority are increasing animosity against trump (remember, there are generally more democrats than republicans).

There is no way the democrats are not going to bring articles of impeachment. This will go to trial in the senate. There will be a lot of pressure on republicans on the senate to impeach him.

This will probably go down in one of two ways:

1) trump loses in 2020 because of a successful media campaign against him that sways voters due to unwanted labeling or because they become convinced the left is right.

2) a brutal impeachment inquiry and subsequent trial may mean things start looking bad for trump. If trump feels he may end up being a candidate for removal, cuts a deal to end the investigation in return for his resignation. I'm sorry to say it, but I don't believe trump will let himself be the first president to be removed from office.

It doesnt even matter if he is guilty or not. Is it not possible that simply being an impeached president with the aura of corruption (whether true or not) hanging around you could spell problems for his business dealings? Is he willing to risk that for a presidency?

Again, this is just an opinion, but I feel there may be some merit to it. I feel it may be imperative to have another Republican candidate on deck. I am willing to admit I'm totally wrong here, as this is just some preliminary notions.

If trump gets impeached, the 2020 election will come down to how justified America perceives the impeachment is. If Democrats impeach him lacking compelling evidence, he'll run, wearing impeachment as a badge, and win easily. But on the other hand, if Democrats can find undeniable evidence that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it; and Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, he would lose <hyperbole>if I ran against him</hyperbole>.

There is no law that says the president cannot pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden's corruption.

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

What's the dollar amount of that donation?
Every donation has to be reported on the campaign finance report with a dollar amount.
Is there a special list no one knows about that values these "foreign donations?"
In kind donations are valued by the giver. How much did the Ukraine say it's worth?

 

[Faun]

If trump gets impeached, the 2020 election will come down to how justified America perceives the impeachment is. If Democrats impeach him lacking compelling evidence, he'll run, wearing impeachment as a badge, and win easily. But on the other hand, if Democrats can find undeniable evidence that he pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden and used that military aid to obtain it; and Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, he would lose <hyperbole>if I ran against him</hyperbole>.

There is no law that says the president cannot pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden's corruption.

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

What's the dollar amount of that donation?
Every donation has to be reported on the campaign finance report with a dollar amount.
Is there a special list no one knows about that values these "foreign donations?"
In kind donations are valued by the giver. How much did the Ukraine say it's worth?

Doesn't need a dollar amount. Just has to benefit his campaign. And one would have to be brain-dead to take up the position that eliminating one of trump's leading rivals doesn't benefit his campaign.

 

[Defiant1]

There is no law that says the president cannot pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden's corruption.

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

What's the dollar amount of that donation?
Every donation has to be reported on the campaign finance report with a dollar amount.
Is there a special list no one knows about that values these "foreign donations?"
In kind donations are valued by the giver. How much did the Ukraine say it's worth?

Doesn't need a dollar amount. Just has to benefit his campaign. And one would have to be brain-dead to take up the position that eliminating one of trump's leading rivals doesn't benefit his campaign.

You know nothing about campaign finance laws.

 

[rightwinger]

Senate aint going to convict if trump were to be impeached in the house. That would be the republican death knell and good riddance to those weak spineless rubes if they did.

Republicans will not impeach regardless of the facts

However, if the information is damaging to the country and the presidency, both Trump and Republican Senators will have to answer to the voters

 

[DBA]

There is no law that says the president cannot pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden's corruption.

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

No it isn't.

Of course if is. Finding dirt on your political rival is very valuable. Especially dirt that could potentially take them out of the race altogether. Your harmless denials can't change that.

You mean like Hillary's campaign did by funding Fusion GPS? Crickets from the leftards on that.

 

[Faun]

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

What's the dollar amount of that donation?
Every donation has to be reported on the campaign finance report with a dollar amount.
Is there a special list no one knows about that values these "foreign donations?"
In kind donations are valued by the giver. How much did the Ukraine say it's worth?

Doesn't need a dollar amount. Just has to benefit his campaign. And one would have to be brain-dead to take up the position that eliminating one of trump's leading rivals doesn't benefit his campaign.

You know nothing about campaign finance laws.

LOLOL

I read the law. It's quite clear.

 

[Faun]

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

A corruption investigation is not a contribution or donation, dumbass.

Of course it is. It's of value to trump's campaign.

No it isn't.

Of course if is. Finding dirt on your political rival is very valuable. Especially dirt that could potentially take them out of the race altogether. Your harmless denials can't change that.

You mean like Hillary's campaign did by funding Fusion GPS? Crickets from the leftards on that.

Dumbass... Fusion GPS is not a foreign entity.

Again, the law in question is ...

52 U.S. Code§ 30121.Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

... emphasis added.

 

[Fang]

President Trump isn't going anywhere. The Democratic Party has turned into a bunch of anti-American, Socialists who are OK with turning this country into a 3rd world shit-hole as long as they are in power. Democrats will lie and cheat to try and get Trump out of office.

 

[mudwhistle]

This is just a thrown dart prediction, it doesnt mean anything but I do think it has some merit.

First, trumps presidency will not survive this. I've said for a long time that people are way too confident when it comes to trump winning in 2020. I think his odds are not as good as many would think.

Most people in the u.s. are not as politically "in tune" as those you see here. By that, I mean, most dont really follow politics. They are generally armchair pundits that follow it as much as the hour of news they watch each night. I would say they would be easily influenced by other opinions as, while they call themselves republicans, that is a term they use to associate themselves with a certain set of ideals attributed to a politician in their party. Very few have the wherewithal to actually argue politics.

The left wing media machine has done an excellent job of pushing a narrative. The left, if nothing else, are persistent, and unwavering. This persistence does have an effect on those republicans I described above. Mabey not all, but many.

The left has done a very good at associating things like misogyny, racism, greed, anti immigration, and womanizing with trump. This has spillover consequence. The left is pushing the narrative that if you support trump, and/or vote for him, you support all of those attributes and that means you are all of then as well, even though none of it is true, you may just be voting for the candidate on the platform, against democrats.

But what if that isnt the only consequence? What if it is found out that you voted for trump at your place if employment? It could cause problems. Sure, they cant fire you for voting for a president, but if they are successful in labeling you a racist/womanizer/mysoginist because of your support for him, that could cause issues, especially if people look back in your years at the job and if someone starts thinking: "hmm, 2 years ago I heard him make a comment about soandso, and knowing he is a trump supporter, it makes sense now".

Especially if you are at odds with someone at work, they could leverage this against you.

People are afraid of labels, and if they think they will be labeled, it could cause some people to abstain from voting altogether.

This is also why many Republican members of congress who are in an election year may start to jump ship if it looks like things are going bad for trump, because they are afraid of being labeled, and they will be afraid of losing their seat if they see the public majority are increasing animosity against trump (remember, there are generally more democrats than republicans).

There is no way the democrats are not going to bring articles of impeachment. This will go to trial in the senate. There will be a lot of pressure on republicans on the senate to impeach him.

This will probably go down in one of two ways:

1) trump loses in 2020 because of a successful media campaign against him that sways voters due to unwanted labeling or because they become convinced the left is right.

2) a brutal impeachment inquiry and subsequent trial may mean things start looking bad for trump. If trump feels he may end up being a candidate for removal, cuts a deal to end the investigation in return for his resignation. I'm sorry to say it, but I don't believe trump will let himself be the first president to be removed from office.

It doesnt even matter if he is guilty or not. Is it not possible that simply being an impeached president with the aura of corruption (whether true or not) hanging around you could spell problems for his business dealings? Is he willing to risk that for a presidency?

Again, this is just an opinion, but I feel there may be some merit to it. I feel it may be imperative to have another Republican candidate on deck. I am willing to admit I'm totally wrong here, as this is just some preliminary notions.

Yup.....finally he's toast.

 

[OldLady]

President Trump isn't going anywhere. The Democratic Party has turned into a bunch of anti-American, Socialists who are OK with turning this country into a 3rd world shit-hole as long as they are in power. Democrats will lie and cheat to try and get Trump out of office.

You've learned your lessons well, haven't you? As long as it slams the Democrats and divides us further, you've okay with it.

What happened to the days when people could disagree -- for a good reason, not made up horseshit -- without thinking the other side is "evil?" This is ridiculous.

 

[Norman]

President Trump isn't going anywhere. The Democratic Party has turned into a bunch of anti-American, Socialists who are OK with turning this country into a 3rd world shit-hole as long as they are in power. Democrats will lie and cheat to try and get Trump out of office.

You've learned your lessons well, haven't you? As long as it slams the Democrats and divides us further, you've okay with it.

What happened to the days when people could disagree -- for a good reason, not made up horseshit -- without thinking the other side is "evil?" This is ridiculous.

The democrats became evil and started to actively go after anyone who disagrees. Have you been living under a rock?

Now good Americans need to fight the demons. We will win.