Myths and facts about Jerusalem and Temple Mount

[Maryland]

It is then specified in the Hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Mohammad, that the Al Aqsa Mosque is indeed located in Jerusalem:

"Only" little problem: The al aqsa mosque didn't exist during muhammad's alleged life. He croaked in the year 632 CE but the al aqsa mosque wasn't constructed until 715 CE.

Islam is filled with more shit than a Christmas goose

Dear God - the same myths again and again and again - why not read back through the thread first so you don't embarass yourself?

Put it this way, genius - there were no mosques in Mecca in 632 either.

Jerusalem does not appear in the Koran. Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem, if he even existed. Suck it up

 

[Maryland]

No Jerusalem in the Koran. Sorry!

Firstly, so what?

What on earth could that possibly have to do with anything?

Is Turkey in the bible? Iraq? Saudi Arabia?

Secondly, as we have just seen AL Aqsa mosque IS in the Koran, and that IS in Jerusalem.

Jesus wept....

You're allowed to be dumb. Jerusalem appears 800 times in the Hebrew Bible and reflects its sanctity in Judaism.

Jerusalem appears zero times in the Koran because it has no sanctity in Islam.

Your religion lesson

 

[Saigon]

Maryland -

Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem,

So what?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't...why would anyone care?

Do you honestly believe the Via Dolorosa really does mark the path Jesus took?

Most of the holy books are allegory anyway.

 

[Maryland]

Maryland -

Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem,

So what?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't...why would anyone care?

Do you honestly believe the Via Dolorosa really does mark the path Jesus took?

Most of the holy books are allegory anyway.

You have evidence that muhammad even existed? No, I didn't think so.

Be happy with your shitty mecca and medina. Jerusalem belongs to the Jews.

 

[Saigon]

Jerusalem appears zero times in the Koran because it has no sanctity in Islam.

Ha!! Now that is funny....!!

Actually, genius, the al Aqsa mosque is the third holiest shrine in Islam - and IT IS mentioned in the Koran.

 

[Saigon]

You have evidence that muhammad even existed? No, I didn't think so.

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No, none at all. Nor that Jesus ever existed, or Buddha. Maybe none of them ever lived, who knows?

 

[Maryland]

Maryland -

Muhammad never set foot in Jerusalem,

So what?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't...why would anyone care?

Do you honestly believe the Via Dolorosa really does mark the path Jesus took?

Most of the holy books are allegory anyway.

So what? The entire claim to Jerusalem made by muslims is muhammad's imaginary trip to Jerusalem on a flying donkey Even his own people in mecca laughed at his fairy tale

 

[Maryland]

You have evidence that muhammad even existed? No, I didn't think so.

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No, none at all. Nor that Jesus ever existed, or Buddha. Maybe none of them ever lived, who knows?

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus reference Jesus. Not one word about muhammad.

 

[Saigon]

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus reference Jesus. Not one word about muhammad.

So what?

You don't think there are a dozen history books that mentioned Mohammed that don't mention Jesus?

What on earth are you talking about? At least try and come up with a point, maybe?

 

[Maryland]

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius and the Jewish historian Josephus reference Jesus. Not one word about muhammad.

So what?

You don't think there are a dozen history books that mentioned Mohammed that don't mention Jesus?

What on earth are you talking about? At least try and come up with a point, maybe?

You claimed there is no evidence for Jesus's existence. I proved you wrong.

Give me the names of reliable historians contemporaneous with Muhammad's alleged life that mention him?

 

[Saigon]

Maryland -

Please try and post with at least a minimum of intellectual merit.

There are dozens of commentaries that refer to both Jesus and Mohammed during their actual lives. In both cases, there is little evidence of miracles, and few reliable witnesses. Both men likely existed, though whether either was really more than a hustler and self-appointed prophet, we'll never know.

Did Jesus REALLY turn water into wine?

Probably not, realistically.

btw. It's also good form to acknowledge points as they are proven. It might be worth acknolwedging the two points about Palestinian history that you had gotten wrong earlier.

 

[Maryland]

Jerusalem appears zero times in the Koran because it has no sanctity in Islam.

Ha!! Now that is funny....!!

Actually, genius, the al Aqsa mosque is the third holiest shrine in Islam - and IT IS mentioned in the Koran.

The al aqsa mosque is referenced in the Koran as the "furthest" mosque but not in Jerusalem. al aqsa is furthest or remote in arabic. It likely existed in northern Arabia. The al aqsa mosque was constructed several decades after muhammad allegedly died. Islam's "sacred" connection with Jerusalem is bogus.

 

[Saigon]

Maryland -

Why is it up to you to decide what is 'bogus'?

btw. As posted earlier - and ignored by you - the Hadith's confirm that the al Aqsa is in Jerusalem, and it has been understood to be so by Muslim's for more than a thousand years.

If you do not accept this - would you mind explaining on what basis you accept the Via Dolorosa to be legitimate for Christians?

 

[Maryland]

Maryland -

Please try and post with at least a minimum of intellectual merit.

There are dozens of commentaries that refer to both Jesus and Mohammed during their actual lives. In both cases, there is little evidence of miracles, and few reliable witnesses. Both men likely existed, though whether either was really more than a hustler and self-appointed prophet, we'll never know.

Did Jesus REALLY turn water into wine?

Probably not, realistically.

btw. It's also good form to acknowledge points as they are proven. It might be worth acknolwedging the two points about Palestinian history that you had gotten wrong earlier.

I named three eminent Roman and Jewish historians who reference Jesus in their historical accounts of first century Israel.

Name three reputable historians who reference muhammad in their historical accounts of 7th century Near East.

 

[Maryland]

Maryland -

Why is it up to you to decide what is 'bogus'?

btw. As posted earlier - and ignored by you - the Hadith's confirm that the al Aqsa is in Jerusalem, and it has been understood to be so by Muslim's for more than a thousand years.

If you do not accept this - would you mind explaining on what basis you accept the Via Dolorosa to be legitimate for Christians?

The meccans called muhammad's trip to Jerusalem on the flying donkey bogus. Take it up with them

 

[Saigon]

I named three eminent Roman and Jewish historians who reference Jesus in their historical accounts of first century Israel.

Name three reputable historians who reference muhammad in their historical accounts of 7th century Near East.

Um...perhaps start by presenting evidence of these historical texts.

Given you have been wrong about everything you have posted thus far, your word isn't worth a lot!

 

[Maryland]

Maryland -

Why is it up to you to decide what is 'bogus'?

btw. As posted earlier - and ignored by you - the Hadith's confirm that the al Aqsa is in Jerusalem, and it has been understood to be so by Muslim's for more than a thousand years.

If you do not accept this - would you mind explaining on what basis you accept the Via Dolorosa to be legitimate for Christians?

Jerusalem does not appear even once in the Koran. Such a sacred city!

 

[Maryland]

I named three eminent Roman and Jewish historians who reference Jesus in their historical accounts of first century Israel.

Name three reputable historians who reference muhammad in their historical accounts of 7th century Near East.

Um...perhaps start by presenting evidence of these historical texts.

Given you have been wrong about everything you have posted thus far, your word isn't worth a lot!

Read Tacitus, Suetonius and Josephus and you won't be so uneducated.

 

[Saigon]

There is a reference recording the Arab conquest of Syria, that mentions Muhammed. This much faded note is preserved on folio 1 of BL Add. 14,461, a codex containing the Gospel accord to Matthew and the Gospel according to Mark. This note appears to have been penned soon after the battle of Gabitha (636 CE) at which the Arabs inflicted crushing defeat of the Byzantines. Wright was first to draw the attention to the fragment and suggested that "it seems to be a nearly contemporary notice",[34] a view which was also endorsed by Nöldeke.[35] The purpose of jotting this note in the book of Gospels appears to be commemorative as the author appears to have realized how momentous the events of his time were. The words "we saw" are positive evidence that the author was a contemporary. The author also talks about olive oil, cattle, ruined villages, suggesting that he belonged to peasant stock, i.e., parish priest or a monk who could read and write. It is worthwhile cautioning that the condition of the text is fragmentary and many of the readings unclear or disputable. The lacunae are supplied in square brackets:

... and in January, they took the word for their lives (did) [the sons of] Emesa [i.e., ̣Hiṃs)], and many villages were ruined with killing by [the Arabs of] Mụhammad and a great number of people were killed and captives [were taken] from Galilee as far as Bēth [...] and those Arabs pitched camp beside [Damascus?] [...] and we saw everywhe[re...] and o[l]ive oil which they brought and them. And on the t[wenty six]th of May went S[ac[ella]rius]... cattle [...] [...] from the vicinity of Emesa and the Romans chased them [...] and on the tenth [of August] the Romans fled from the vicinity of Damascus [...] many [people] some 10,000. And at the turn [of the ye]ar the Romans came; and on the twentieth of August in the year n[ine hundred and forty-]seven there gathered in Gabitha [...] the Romans and great many people were ki[lled of] [the R]omans, ome fifty thousand [...][36]

Historicity of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saigon]

Read Tacitus, Suetonius and Josephus and you won't be so uneducated.

OK, so you have no evidence. Noted.

btw. Anytime you wish to compare education and CV's I'd be delighted to do so.