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I use those terms in an endeavor to be ACCURATE, something you have no kinship with. The only 'war criminals' were Lincoln and Sherman, which is the reason NONE of this got into a courtroom at the time.
Is it hard maintaining your delusion in the face of all these facts?
I'm not saying that they should have been tried as "war criminals".
You think that was the purpose of the Nuremburg and Tokyo trials? Seriously? Boy, are you naive!
The purpose of those trials was to let them know in no uncertain terms THEY LOST! and they were wrong. And then they burned the bodies and scattered the ashes.
These assholes started a war so a few assholes could own slaves. they should have been hung just for that.
And we need to stop glorifying them, excusing them or apologizing for them.
The Confederate Flag should be as disdained as the other symbol of white supremacy, the Swastika.
Again Joe, the WBTS was fought over the Federal government's usurpation of the rights enumerated in the 9th & 10th Amendments.
Here we are 150 years later and you slugs STILL don't get it.
But we got you to admit slavery was wrong, I guess we are making progress here!
Show me where in this 50 page thread I ever said slavery was right!
Fucking idiot, arguing shit that isn't even there...
It isn't what you said, it's what you defend.
You try to make excuses for what the South did, even knowing they were doing it over an unexcusable point.
Sometimes you have to go to a war you are going to lose on principle. But going to a war you are destined to lose over an evil institution is just foolish.
How dense are you, JoeB? It's not my fault if you can't understand the concept of 'State's rights', as written into the Constitution through the 9th & 10th Amendments. It's not my fault if you are so brainwashed as to not realize that the usurpation of those amendments is what caused the WBTS.
Slavery would have ended anyway.
The very fact you use terms like "State's Rights" and "War Between the States" is kind of telling.
You know what they did was wrong, you just bring yourself to admit it.
What should have happened. Lee, Davis and every last one of these assholes should have been put in front of a Nuremburg-styel tribunal, and promptly hanged afterwards.
The very fact you use terms like "State's Rights" and "War Between the States" is kind of telling.
You know what they did was wrong, you just bring yourself to admit it.
What should have happened. Lee, Davis and every last one of these assholes should have been put in front of a Nuremburg-styel tribunal, and promptly hanged afterwards.
I use those terms in an endeavor to be ACCURATE, something you have no kinship with. The only 'war criminals' were Lincoln and Sherman, which is the reason NONE of this got into a courtroom at the time.
Is it hard maintaining your delusion in the face of all these facts?
I'm not saying that they should have been tried as "war criminals".
You think that was the purpose of the Nuremburg and Tokyo trials? Seriously? Boy, are you naive!
The purpose of those trials was to let them know in no uncertain terms THEY LOST! and they were wrong. And then they burned the bodies and scattered the ashes.
These assholes started a war so a few assholes could own slaves. they should have been hung just for that.
And we need to stop glorifying them, excusing them or apologizing for them.
The Confederate Flag should be as disdained as the other symbol of white supremacy, the Swastika.
Again Joe, the WBTS was fought over the Federal government's usurpation of the rights enumerated in the 9th & 10th Amendments.
Here we are 150 years later and you slugs STILL don't get it.
Oh, I get it perfectly well.
Can you pleae point out to me where in the 9th or 10th amendment there is a right to secede.
And since most of the Confederate state seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in, exactly what rights were being "usurped".
They seceded because Lincoln was an abolitionist. Not because he actually did anything to further abolition at that point.
Oh, I get it perfectly well.
Can you pleae point out to me where in the 9th or 10th amendment there is a right to secede.
And since most of the Confederate state seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in, exactly what rights were being "usurped".
They seceded because Lincoln was an abolitionist. Not because he actually did anything to further abolition at that point.
No, you point out where it says the States didn't have the right to secede, considering that that right was written into many of the original 13 state constitutions. The right of secession was accepted and understood at that time.
You should dig a little deeper into your 'history degree', the efforts to undermine the 9th & 10th had been ongoing for a DECADE before Lincoln's inauguration.
So you admit that secession was illegal, and the Federal Government had every right to tramp down on it, then?
That something is "understood" doesn't make it legal. There are a lot of things that are "understood" that are actually against the law.
No, you do not.
Why don't you quit making a fool of yourself?
Silly me; I thought the Nuremberg and Tokyo war crimes tribunals were about bringing justice to war criminals; at least, that's what liberals say, every time they criticize our troops today for "following(supposedly) illegal orders", or not scrupulously following the Geneva Conventions (as if most of you even know what the Conventions actually contain). Now, here we have an admission that in fact, Nuremberg and Tokyo were not about war crimes at all, just the vengeance of the victors over the vanquished. The logical conclusion from THAT, is that if you win, it doesn't matter if you played by the rules, and if you lose, you'll be hanged whether you played by the rules or not.. Now since you just admitted that is your position, I don't want to hear any more prattling about the Conventions, or Nuremberg, from you.Thanks for the revealing look at liberal lies and hypocrisy; but hey, that's what the Left does. This time you tripped over your own lies-"Oh, what a tangled web we weave...", huh?The very fact you use terms like "State's Rights" and "War Between the States" is kind of telling.
You know what they did was wrong, you just bring yourself to admit it.
What should have happened. Lee, Davis and every last one of these assholes should have been put in front of a Nuremburg-styel tribunal, and promptly hanged afterwards.
I use those terms in an endeavor to be ACCURATE, something you have no kinship with. The only 'war criminals' were Lincoln and Sherman, which is the reason NONE of this got into a courtroom at the time.
Is it hard maintaining your delusion in the face of all these facts?
I'm not saying that they should have been tried as "war criminals".
You think that was the purpose of the Nuremburg and Tokyo trials? Seriously? Boy, are you naive!
The purpose of those trials was to let them know in no uncertain terms THEY LOST! and they were wrong. And then they burned the bodies and scattered the ashes.
These assholes started a war so a few assholes could own slaves. they should have been hung just for that.
And we need to stop glorifying them, excusing them or apologizing for them.
The Confederate Flag should be as disdained as the other symbol of white supremacy, the Swastika.
Oh, I get it perfectly well.
Can you pleae point out to me where in the 9th or 10th amendment there is a right to secede.
And since most of the Confederate state seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in, exactly what rights were being "usurped".
They seceded because Lincoln was an abolitionist. Not because he actually did anything to further abolition at that point.
No, you point out where it says the States didn't have the right to secede, considering that that right was written into many of the original 13 state constitutions. The right of secession was accepted and understood at that time.
You should dig a little deeper into your 'history degree', the efforts to undermine the 9th & 10th had been ongoing for a DECADE before Lincoln's inauguration.
So you admit that secession was illegal, and the Federal Government had every right to tramp down on it, then?
That something is "understood" doesn't make it legal. There are a lot of things that are "understood" that are actually against the law.
I gave Guy Pinestra proof that anti-slavery laws had been passed and that they wee actually executed.
The only complaint one can have is that the laws should have been enforced more harshly.
And certainly no excuse for the South to go to war.
You guys so have had your ass handed to you in this thread.
First and last = ONLY. You said 'They', meaning MORE than one.
You're a liar, Fakey.
And the Southern States weren't looking to change the Constitution, they were looking for you Northern bastards to ABIDE by it.
You keep claiming shit that isn't true, Fakey. Why is that? Do you not understand that the refusal of the Federal government to honor the 9th and 10th Amendments is what started the WBTS? How can you not get that?
How dense are you, JoeB? It's not my fault if you can't understand the concept of 'State's rights', as written into the Constitution through the 9th & 10th Amendments. It's not my fault if you are so brainwashed as to not realize that the usurpation of those amendments is what caused the WBTS.
Slavery would have ended anyway.
The very fact you use terms like "State's Rights" and "War Between the States" is kind of telling.
You know what they did was wrong, you just bring yourself to admit it.
What should have happened. Lee, Davis and every last one of these assholes should have been put in front of a Nuremburg-styel tribunal, and promptly hanged afterwards.
I use those terms in an endeavor to be ACCURATE, something you have no kinship with. The only 'war criminals' were Lincoln and Sherman, which is the reason NONE of this got into a courtroom at the time.
Is it hard maintaining your delusion in the face of all these facts?
Again Joe, the WBTS was fought over the Federal government's usurpation of the rights enumerated in the 9th & 10th Amendments. Here we are 150 years later and you slugs STILL don't get it.
Lincoln started the war, you stupid mother fucker.
Lincoln started the war, you stupid mother fucker.
The south seceded before Lincoln was sworn in. Because Buchanan was too chickenshit to do anything about it, LIncoln was the guy who had to mobilize the army.
Lincoln believed the Union perpetual, indivisible, and he put paid to those who did not and could not follow constitutional, electoral process. The losers got what the deserved, and their defenders on this thread get what they deserve, disdain.
