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You are confused. Lincoln started no war. The traitors in SC shot first. THEY started the war.
I have proved that Lincoln started the war about 100 times in this thread, asshole.
You're a fucking liar. Lincoln hadn't even started his term when secession took place. Davis made the decision to start the War of Southern Aggression, after realizing that secession wouldn't hold without a war. Davis ordered the attack on Sumter. None of your "lost cause" or neoconfederate revisionism changes the facts.
I'll also add that you scumbags might have killed Abner Doubleday. Where would America be without our National pastime, baseball?
I love Sherman's quote about Texas. "If I owned hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in hell."
You ignorant little pissant. Yes the rebs fired the first shot. Davis ordered them to, after realizing that secession wouldn't last without a war. He also realized that several other states would probably join the confederacy if he started that War Of Southern Aggression.
You're a fucking idiot.
"Gentlemen, unless you sprinkle blood in the faces of the people of Alabama, they will be back in the old Union in less than ten days." - Gilchrist, member of the Alabama legislature
You ignorant little pissant. Yes the rebs fired the first shot. Davis ordered them to, after realizing that secession wouldn't last without a war. He also realized that several other states would probably join the confederacy if he started that War Of Southern Aggression.
You're a fucking idiot.
Apparently you believe sovereign nations are obligated to allow foreign troops to occupy their territory. Any argument based on that theory is obvious idiocy.
That would have meant a trial, and the case would have ended up in the Supreme court where Lincoln and all his thugs would have lost. Secession is not treason. Nothing in the Constitution prevents it. The Union thugs didn't want to go down that road because they knew they would lose.
A US soldier taking up arms against the United States is treason.
The troops of SC were not U.S. soldiers, dipshit. They were citizens of SC which had seceded from the Union. Before you can prove treason, you have to prove the Constitution does not allow secession, and that is a claim no Yankee asshole wanted to take to court.
The South fired the first shot. Davis ordered the first shot fired after being told that secession wouldn't hold without a war. They started a civil war, and got their asses kicked.
Forrest was a war criminal who murdered POWs. He started a vigilante organization that's responsible for over 1,000 lynchings of African-Americans. But go ahead and worship this pig.
I just told you that argument doesn't wash. All you bloodthirsty Yankee assholes keep spouting he same flawed logic over and over again.
I love Sherman's quote about Texas. "If I owned hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in hell."
I'm sure you do. You probably also like when Hitler said the following:
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
You are confused. Lincoln started no war. The traitors in SC shot first. THEY started the war.
I have proved that Lincoln started the war about 100 times in this thread, asshole.
You ignorant little pissant. Yes the rebs fired the first shot. Davis ordered them to, after realizing that secession wouldn't last without a war. He also realized that several other states would probably join the confederacy if he started that War Of Southern Aggression.
You're a fucking idiot.
Apparently you believe sovereign nations are obligated to allow foreign troops to occupy their territory. Any argument based on that theory is obvious idiocy.
SC troops were foreign troops trying to conquer federal territory.
They were traitors and their leaders should have been hung immediately.
You ignorant little pissant. Yes the rebs fired the first shot. Davis ordered them to, after realizing that secession wouldn't last without a war. He also realized that several other states would probably join the confederacy if he started that War Of Southern Aggression.
You're a fucking idiot.
Apparently you believe sovereign nations are obligated to allow foreign troops to occupy their territory. Any argument based on that theory is obvious idiocy.
He's certainly a documented war criminal, a racist, and a traitor.
Nathan B. Forrest is none of those, but Lincoln is everyone of those things.
I suggest you study up on the Fort Pillow massacre, where your idol executed captured black soldiers, and sent the white prisoners to Andersonville.
The Union would always change over time, but the essential truth that we ARE a Union was preserved by President Lincoln - the greatest of all our Presidents.
Lincoln destroyed the union as it existed prior to the Civil War. Before Lincoln, the United States was a voluntary union of states. Afterwards, it was the same kind of Union as the Soviet Union, a collection of captive states.
If you were suffering in a Soviet State, would you stay or would you try to leave if you could?
Nathan B. Forrest is none of those, but Lincoln is everyone of those things.
I suggest you study up on the Fort Pillow massacre, where your idol executed captured black soldiers, and sent the white prisoners to Andersonville.
I already dealt with the question of what Forrest did and did not do at Ft. Pillow, citing the best evidence available from primary source material (as opposed to some later revisionist textbook). I can't help it if you couldn't be bothered with reading the truth, but I put it out there for you, along with directing anyone who cares to look to the appropriate pages in the Official Records. If you don't know how to use primary sources like the OR, you are simply an historical illiterate who does not know how to do your own historical research. Otherwise, you would know that what you stated above is nothing but Union propaganda from the time. The reports of Union personnel actually Present at Ft. Pillow on the day of the battle and the following day, as contained in the OR, are inconsistent, but the majority of them clearly show the accusations you made in this post to be unfounded. I think we can safely add intellectual sloth, along with anti-Southern bigotry and willful ignorance, to the long list of deficiencies you personally display on this board every day.
" "The slaughter was awful. Words cannot describe the scene. The poor, deluded, negroes would run up to our men, fall upon their knees, and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. I, with several others, tried to stop the butchery, and at one time had partially succeeded, but General Forrest ordered them shot down like dogs and the carnage continued. Finally our men became sick of blood and the firing ceased."
The blacks and their officers were shot down, bayoneted and put to the sword in cold blood... . Out of four hundred negro soldiers only about twenty survive! At least three hundred of them were destroyed after the surrender! This is the statement of the rebel General Chalmers himself to our informant.
Lincoln destroyed the union as it existed prior to the Civil War. Before Lincoln, the United States was a voluntary union of states. Afterwards, it was the same kind of Union as the Soviet Union, a collection of captive states.
If you were suffering in a Soviet State, would you stay or would you try to leave if you could?
If I were a Lithuanian, an Estonian, a Latvian, a Ukrainian or a Georgian, I'd want my occupied country back from the aggressor who took it; and guess what-they eventually GOT their countries back! One day, we'll get ours back, too! No empire lasts forever, and this one won't either!
If you were suffering in a Soviet State, would you stay or would you try to leave if you could?
If I were a Lithuanian, an Estonian, a Latvian, a Ukrainian or a Georgian, I'd want my occupied country back from the aggressor who took it; and guess what-they eventually GOT their countries back! One day, we'll get ours back, too! No empire lasts forever, and this one won't either!
Sumter was not occupied territory, moron. South Carolina ceded that property to the United States in 1836.
If I were a Lithuanian, an Estonian, a Latvian, a Ukrainian or a Georgian, I'd want my occupied country back from the aggressor who took it; and guess what-they eventually GOT their countries back! One day, we'll get ours back, too! No empire lasts forever, and this one won't either!
Sumter was not occupied territory, moron. South Carolina ceded that property to the United States in 1836.
They ceded the property rights, not the territorial rights. The laws and legal jurisdiction of SC still applied within the confines of Ft Sumter.
You bloodthirsty carpetbagger morons don't seem to understand the distinction between property and territory.
If I were a Lithuanian, an Estonian, a Latvian, a Ukrainian or a Georgian, I'd want my occupied country back from the aggressor who took it; and guess what-they eventually GOT their countries back! One day, we'll get ours back, too! No empire lasts forever, and this one won't either!
Sumter was not occupied territory, moron. South Carolina ceded that property to the United States in 1836.
They ceded the property rights, not the territorial rights. The laws and legal jurisdiction of SC still applied within the confines of Ft Sumter.
You bloodthirsty carpetbagger morons don't seem to understand the distinction between property and territory.
