Neither party has a coherent, long term plan for COVID

[Andylusion]

Yeah, but there is always a grave warning going on. Every other year, we have an outbreak somewhere.

Factually incorrect. Outbreaks of a virus as deadly and easily transmissible as COVID are still infrequent.

Trump had the advantage of seeing how COVID was effecting other countries while he had time to act to prevent the extent of the spread here. He didn't.

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic. Got it.

 

[Andylusion]

Well, according to their logic if we had of gone with the Democrat open border then over 120,000 more would have died.

Stupid libtardos, arrogance blinds them from the obvious.

I’ve never actually met anybody that believes in open borders?
But I think we have seen people that believe in shooting joggers if they’re black.

I have met many people who believe in open borders. Never met someone who believed it was ok to randomly shoot joggers if they are black.

You are a bigot.

 

[Crepitus]

Now I could have sworn Trump had authorized the States to handle their responses to the outbreak

Shirking the responsibility of establishing a coordinated national response early enough to have saved lives is just one aspect of Trump's failure to lead. Trump, at different times during the outbreak, has inconsistently sought to claim the authority to order states to act in certain ways and lay off responsibility to the states for their response so as not to have to accept accountability for the outcome.

And you completely ignore the Democrats responsibility in it all. Like when Pelosi told everyone to go to the beach?

Pelosi wasn't getting the briefings, tRump was.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This many lives could have been saved if social distancing had started 1 week earlier
New research from Columbia University found that the US could have prevented nearly 36,000 deaths from COVID-19 if social distancing tactics were put in place one week earlier in March.

www.theladders.com

One Decision on Social Distancing Could Have Prevented 90% of US Coronavirus Deaths, Say Experts
The timing of social distancing can have an exponential effect on the death toll of the coronavirus, epidemiologists Britta L. Jewell and Nicholas P. Jewell recently wrote in The New York Times.

www.sciencealert.com

Estimates vary for how many lives would have been saved if the guy who thought it was "all going to be fine" and that COVID was "under control" had taken the risk of a pandemic seriously early on. To be sure, precisely defining the number is impossible. Just as it is impossible to define how much of an impact Russia's interference in the 2016 election had on actual votes.

However, we should not interpret the imprecision of the studies linked to above as being a reason to discount them. The message is clear. Due to the exponential spread of this virus if earlier measures were taken to slow the spread the health and economic impact would be far less than it is today. That's not a partisan observation, it's one founded in science.

I don't think anyone expects the government's response to a crisis to be perfect. Errors in judgement, in the execution of plans, unexpected turns of events, are inevitable consequences of a crisis. Moreover, the federal government is not alone in its missteps to respond in an efficient way in order to minimize the damage from COVID-19.

However, there are a plethora of ways the federal response could have and should have been better. Ways that have been discussed on this board endlessly. The responsibility for the deficiency in the federal response falls on the head of the government. Responsibility our president has sought to put on the shoulders of others. But there is no escaping accountability. No amount of spin can change an essential truth.

By virtue of his poor decisions, whatever their motives or reasons, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars of wealth lost are his burden to bear. He was not just a victim of circumstance. His actions, and lack thereof, made this crisis worse than it needed to be. If there is no reckoning for his failures the country has no chance of healing itself any time soon.

FAKE NEWS

 

[berg80]

Deflect as they may, Trumpleheads have no answer for this...........

Assessing the effects of early non-pharmaceutical interventions1-5 on COVID-19 spread in the United States is crucial for understanding and planning future control measures to combat the ongoing pandemic6-10. Here we use county-level observations of reported infections and deaths11, in conjunction with human mobility data12 and a metapopulation transmission model13,14, to quantify changes of disease transmission rates in US counties from March 15, 2020 to May 3, 2020. We find significant reductions of the basic reproductive numbers in major metropolitan areas in association with social distancing and other control measures. Counterfactual simulations indicate that, had these same control measures been implemented just 1-2 weeks earlier, a substantial number of cases and deaths could have been averted. Specifically, nationwide, 61.6% [95% CI: 54.6%-67.7%] of reported infections and 55.0% [95% CI: 46.1%-62.2%] of reported deaths as of May 3, 2020 could have been avoided if the same control measures had been implemented just one week earlier. We also examine the effects of delays in re-implementing social distancing following a relaxation of control measures. A longer response time results in a stronger rebound of infections and death. Our findings underscore the importance of early intervention and aggressive response in controlling the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.15.20103655v1.full.pdf

As I have already stated, governors and mayors also made mistakes in not reacting quickly enough to the health risks posed by COVID.

THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT DOES NOT EXCUSE TRUMP'S MISTAKES.

 

[Crepitus]

Yeah, but there is always a grave warning going on. Every other year, we have an outbreak somewhere.

Factually incorrect. Outbreaks of a virus as deadly and easily transmissible as COVID are still infrequent.

Trump had the advantage of seeing how COVID was effecting other countries while he had time to act to prevent the extent of the spread here. He didn't.

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic. Got it.

You are denying reality.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah, but there is always a grave warning going on. Every other year, we have an outbreak somewhere.

Factually incorrect. Outbreaks of a virus as deadly and easily transmissible as COVID are still infrequent.

Trump had the advantage of seeing how COVID was effecting other countries while he had time to act to prevent the extent of the spread here. He didn't.

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic. Got it.

You are denying reality.

No, too stupid to talk about this topic. If you know there was an outbreak of Ebola in 2018? It could have blown up, just like the larger prior outbreak.

Disease outbreaks by year

www.who.int

The WHO has a list of outbreaks by year, and you can pick any year and see potential pandemics happening every year.

They didn't. But we didn't know that at the time.

The only reason the left-wing mindless idiots know that Corona was a big deal, is with the cowardly courage of 20/20 hind sight.

If you are on his side, then you are too stupid to talk about this discussion either.

 

[berg80]

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic.

Sorry that a recitation of the facts is so frustrating it causes you to retreat to your safe space........disinformation.

 

[berg80]

No, too stupid to talk about this topic. If you know there was an outbreak of Ebola in 2018?

If you knew anything about Ebola you'd know it does not have the transmissibility characteristics COVID-19 does. Try reading "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston and educate yourself.

 

[theHawk]

This many lives could have been saved if social distancing had started 1 week earlier
New research from Columbia University found that the US could have prevented nearly 36,000 deaths from COVID-19 if social distancing tactics were put in place one week earlier in March.

www.theladders.com

One Decision on Social Distancing Could Have Prevented 90% of US Coronavirus Deaths, Say Experts
The timing of social distancing can have an exponential effect on the death toll of the coronavirus, epidemiologists Britta L. Jewell and Nicholas P. Jewell recently wrote in The New York Times.

www.sciencealert.com

Estimates vary for how many lives would have been saved if the guy who thought it was "all going to be fine" and that COVID was "under control" had taken the risk of a pandemic seriously early on. To be sure, precisely defining the number is impossible. Just as it is impossible to define how much of an impact Russia's interference in the 2016 election had on actual votes.

However, we should not interpret the imprecision of the studies linked to above as being a reason to discount them. The message is clear. Due to the exponential spread of this virus if earlier measures were taken to slow the spread the health and economic impact would be far less than it is today. That's not a partisan observation, it's one founded in science.

I don't think anyone expects the government's response to a crisis to be perfect. Errors in judgement, in the execution of plans, unexpected turns of events, are inevitable consequences of a crisis. Moreover, the federal government is not alone in its missteps to respond in an efficient way in order to minimize the damage from COVID-19.

However, there are a plethora of ways the federal response could have and should have been better. Ways that have been discussed on this board endlessly. The responsibility for the deficiency in the federal response falls on the head of the government. Responsibility our president has sought to put on the shoulders of others. But there is no escaping accountability. No amount of spin can change an essential truth.

By virtue of his poor decisions, whatever their motives or reasons, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars of wealth lost are his burden to bear. He was not just a victim of circumstance. His actions, and lack thereof, made this crisis worse than it needed to be. If there is no reckoning for his failures the country has no chance of healing itself any time soon.

Keep trying.

 

[Crepitus]

Yeah, but there is always a grave warning going on. Every other year, we have an outbreak somewhere.

Factually incorrect. Outbreaks of a virus as deadly and easily transmissible as COVID are still infrequent.

Trump had the advantage of seeing how COVID was effecting other countries while he had time to act to prevent the extent of the spread here. He didn't.

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic. Got it.

You are denying reality.

No, too stupid to talk about this topic. If you know there was an outbreak of Ebola in 2018? It could have blown up, just like the larger prior outbreak.

Disease outbreaks by year

www.who.int

The WHO has a list of outbreaks by year, and you can pick any year and see potential pandemics happening every year.

They didn't. But we didn't know that at the time.

The only reason the left-wing mindless idiots know that Corona was a big deal, is with the cowardly courage of 20/20 hind sight.

If you are on his side, then you are too stupid to talk about this discussion either.

You don't seem to realize the difference in scale here.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yeah, but there is always a grave warning going on. Every other year, we have an outbreak somewhere.

Factually incorrect. Outbreaks of a virus as deadly and easily transmissible as COVID are still infrequent.

Trump had the advantage of seeing how COVID was effecting other countries while he had time to act to prevent the extent of the spread here. He didn't.

The Chinese virus isn't all that deadly. The opiod epidemic is far more deadly. Yet democrats are still screaming about legalizing drugs.

 

[Andylusion]

So you are too stupid to talk about this topic.

Sorry that a recitation of the facts is so frustrating it causes you to retreat to your safe space........disinformation.

Sorry, that pointing out your false claims, causes you to repeat them more. You are wrong. I am right. You can keep saying false claims until the end of time, it won't change reality.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Like him you want to have it both ways.

Kind of like you tards screaming for three years about how the man is a dictator, then getting pissed off he didn't act like a dictator.

 

[Andylusion]

No, too stupid to talk about this topic. If you know there was an outbreak of Ebola in 2018?

If you knew anything about Ebola you'd know it does not have the transmissibility characteristics COVID-19 does. Try reading "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston and educate yourself.

Yes I am well aware that it is not as transmittable. That didn't change the fact people will calling for mass restrictions. I remember them doing it. Changes nothing of what I said.

 

[berg80]

The Chinese virus isn't all that deadly. The opiod epidemic is far more deadly. Yet democrats are still screaming about legalizing drugs.

I won't die if I come in proximity to a person overdosing on drugs, nitwit.

 

[Sunsettommy]

This many lives could have been saved if social distancing had started 1 week earlier
New research from Columbia University found that the US could have prevented nearly 36,000 deaths from COVID-19 if social distancing tactics were put in place one week earlier in March.

www.theladders.com

One Decision on Social Distancing Could Have Prevented 90% of US Coronavirus Deaths, Say Experts
The timing of social distancing can have an exponential effect on the death toll of the coronavirus, epidemiologists Britta L. Jewell and Nicholas P. Jewell recently wrote in The New York Times.

www.sciencealert.com

Estimates vary for how many lives would have been saved if the guy who thought it was "all going to be fine" and that COVID was "under control" had taken the risk of a pandemic seriously early on. To be sure, precisely defining the number is impossible. Just as it is impossible to define how much of an impact Russia's interference in the 2016 election had on actual votes.

However, we should not interpret the imprecision of the studies linked to above as being a reason to discount them. The message is clear. Due to the exponential spread of this virus if earlier measures were taken to slow the spread the health and economic impact would be far less than it is today. That's not a partisan observation, it's one founded in science.

I don't think anyone expects the government's response to a crisis to be perfect. Errors in judgement, in the execution of plans, unexpected turns of events, are inevitable consequences of a crisis. Moreover, the federal government is not alone in its missteps to respond in an efficient way in order to minimize the damage from COVID-19.

However, there are a plethora of ways the federal response could have and should have been better. Ways that have been discussed on this board endlessly. The responsibility for the deficiency in the federal response falls on the head of the government. Responsibility our president has sought to put on the shoulders of others. But there is no escaping accountability. No amount of spin can change an essential truth.

By virtue of his poor decisions, whatever their motives or reasons, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars of wealth lost are his burden to bear. He was not just a victim of circumstance. His actions, and lack thereof, made this crisis worse than it needed to be. If there is no reckoning for his failures the country has no chance of healing itself any time soon.

Berg, did you bother to read the paper?

The Abstract shows it was based on a MODEL, and simulations,

"Abstract Assessing the effects of early non-pharmaceutical interventions1-5 on COVID-19 spread in the United States is crucial for understanding and planning future control measures to combat the ongoing pandemic6-10. Here we use county-level observations of reported infections and deaths11, in conjunction with human mobility data12 and a metapopulation transmission model13,14, to quantify changes of disease transmission rates in US counties from March 15, 2020 to May 3, 2020. We find significant reductions of the basic reproductive numbers in major metropolitan areas in association with social distancing and other control measures. Counterfactual simulations indicate that, had these same control measures been implemented just 1-2 weeks earlier, a substantial number of cases and deaths could have been averted. Specifically, nationwide, 61.6% [95% CI: 54.6%-67.7%] of reported infections and 55.0% [95% CI: 46.1%-62.2%] of reported deaths as of May 3, 2020 could have been avoided if the same control measures had been implemented just one week earlier. We also examine the effects of delays in re-implementing social distancing following a relaxation of control measures. A longer response time results in a stronger rebound of infections and death. Our findings underscore the importance of early intervention and aggressive response in controlling the COVID-19 pandemic."

Can't take this seriously when they don't show their model and scenarios are robust.

 

[berg80]

Yes I am well aware that it is not as transmittable. That didn't change the fact people will calling for mass restrictions. I remember them doing it. Changes nothing of what I said.

It changes everything about what you said. You're just too ignorant to realize it.

 

[deanrd]

We are now just shy of 97,000.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Now I could have sworn Trump had authorized the States to handle their responses to the outbreak........after he had tried to shut down travel and other forms of containing the virus, that he got hell for doing from the Democrats that insisted on everyone coming out, enjoy life and keep doing all the normal stuff

Well, that's a lie.

And just what part is a lie????

He did give it to the states to handle the responses.
He did want to shut down international travel, China specifically...…...but was called racist for doing so
and the Democrats were telling everyone get out & about.


So again...…….what part is a lie??????