Norman
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Having a shotgun on you is NOT threatening anyone with a shotgun.
No, but using it in order to compel someone to obey your orders certainly is threatening...
They were following the black man for a good while, and if they wanted could have shot him at any moment. It's clear they wanted to stop him and arrest him.
As clear as mud.
Having the opportunity to do something and not doing it at that exact opportunity does not necessarily indicate an unwillingness to do something. They could've chosen to wait for any number of reasons...
He lunged at a shotgun and that's that.
There's not an amount of money I wouldn't wager that says you're proven wrong...
Stopping a criminal fleeing a crime is perfectly fine.
Put up the money then.
At the time they stopped him, they had no knowledge of any crime having just been committed. They just saw a black man running.
That matters...
That is false, there had been a string of burglaries in the hood. When someone runs and does not stop... you have a suspicion. The suspicion turned out to be correct.
In order for them to be acting legally, Arbery not only had to be fleeing the scene of a crime, but Travis McMichael had to know that Arbery was fleeing the scene of a crime. He didn't.
If you're running down the street and some random guy with a shot gun tells you to stop and you do, you're stupid.
To McMichael's knowledge, Arbery was running, and that was all. Whether he was running from having committed a crime was unknown to McMichael, and that matters.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand that?
Reasonable suspicion. There have been cases like this before.
If someone keeps running not stopping when asked and there have been burglaries and he matches the characteristics. Well...
"Wll", what?
Not only does he has to be fleeing the scene of a crime, Travis McMichael needs to know he was fleeing the scene of a crime, and he didn't. Previous burglaries do not justify McMichael's actions or mitigate the illegality of them...
Again reasonable suspicion, probable cause...
No, they DON'T need to know he was fleeing a crime. They only need to have PROBABLE REASON to believe so, which they had.