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Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won.
Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.
Living within the boundaries of a state does not mean you automatically vote a certain way. That is what I'm saying. If that were so, "red" states wouldn't have to expend campaign funds, either. Just let the pundits decide what everyone would choose, state by state and to hell with the people.Why should Rhode Island have the same influence as California or Texas? Answer, they shouldn't.Odd idea, let's try majority rule with protections for minorities. What a plan.No reason for a candidate to go to those states and make promises, (they likely won't keep anyway), because there aren't enough people there to matter.
Why would a politician campaign in Rhode Island, when NYC has 7 times the population?
Why bother stumping in Montana, when Chicago has twice the population?
Okay! Now I get it. If it were one (wo)man-one vote, Presidential hopefuls might not come make live speeches in my state (for sure they wouldn't, since there are only a million of us) and eat at our local diner. Or send out armies of young people to ring my bell incessantly and fill my mailbox with garbage flyers.
WE HAVE TV NOW and internet and all kinds of other newfangled communications which make it unnecessary for a candidate to travel to Bangor in order for me to know who it is and if I want to vote for him/her.
The EC is, imo, a thing of the past. I don't know who my "State" is when it comes to EC control, but I sure as hell don't know any of them. It is a mysterious backroom thing and it is kept that way from all but the partisan monkeys.
A candidate must visit your state because of the electoral votes you possess. Imagine if it were popular vote only. Then the candidate would have no reason to visit your state. He would have no reason to send federal aid for hurricanes, tornadoes, or large fires once he became President. He would have no concern about using your land for nuclear waste, garbage, or even a new oil refinery.
The EC does not balance things, but it does help with the unbalancing. Less populated states like yours have more power with the EC than it would have with a popular vote. I mean, if you live in a state with 3 million people, you have to assume that less than 2 million are of voting age, and out of that 2 million, less than one million actually vote.
Tiny states deserve tiny influence. Size matters, boys. When the women in your life said it didn't they were just being nice and didn't want to deflate your fragile little "egos".
So you would be all for having enough Senators to represent the population of your state? After all, when our government was being designed, the idea of equal representation in the Senate would stop mob rule. You get two Senators for your state and it doesn't matter if your state is Texas or your state is Rhode Island. That way, every state has power in our legislative process.
Answer: so that all states are equal. With a representative Senate, Texas, New York and California would control the entire country--just like it would with popular vote.
Yes, but 81% approval rating among Republicans. So election wise, it's going to take something BIG to change the landscape.A Fox poll showing him with a 38% approval rating is not false. He sucks but idiots like you still like him.Not a chance in hell. Most people already hate him including many who voted for him.I am, and I'm watching him destroy the office and ruin the standing of American all over the globe. A weak man leading an even weaker nation.Trump won the presidency. Deal with that.
Well get used to it because it's going to be that way for another three years and probably seven.
Nope. Most of the people that voted for him are quite satisfied. A great economy, great judges, lowest border crossings in years, strong stock market, great unemployment numbers, and that includes first time unemployment filers. Everything is great as far as we're concerned. Don't let those bogus polls tell you differently:
Poll: 4 of 10 voters are 'silent Trump supporters'
DNC head Tom Perez falsely claims Electoral College 'not a creation of the Constitution'
"Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez incorrectly stated "the Electoral College is not a creation of the Constitution" during a Tuesday night speech.
"The Electoral College is not a creation of the Constitution," Perez said during a lecture at Indiana University Law School. "It doesn’t have to be there."
The Electoral College, a mechanism for indirect election of the president created by the Founding Fathers as a compromise between smaller states and larger states, is clearly laid out in Article II of the Constitution: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress."
This is the same dumbass who just denied knowing anything about and not finding any records to show the previous chairwoman / the DNC gave millions to a foreign agent through a Russia-linked firm for a false report containing Russia-generated propaganda against Trump.
Today - in reaction to all the evidence coming out against Hillary, DWS, Mueller, Holder, Comey, and Obama - libtards and snowflakes be like:
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Capitalism is what creates the classes. The rich at the top and the rest at the bottom with a rare few trying to stay in the middle. And it's only gotten much worse since people like the Bushes and Trump came upon the scene and gave even more breaks and wealth to the top. But not to worry, the days of literally eating the rich are coming.
Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.Clearly, what Perez was referring to was the practice of giving ALL of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who garners the most votes in the state (rather than awarding Electoral votes proportionately). THAT is not in the Constitution, and could be changed rather easily.
I wonder who would have won in November if the states had awarded Electoral votes proportionately.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
Winning or losing has nothing at all to do with the Electoral College being undemocratic. It should have been tossed long ago. Just one big problem, the little useless kunt states like that flyover BS love it. They love it not being one man one vote. Until we toss the entire Constitution, and we will, this is going to be an issue.In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
What seems to be forgotten is our Constitution and it is the real world. If you don’t like it, then work to change it. In 2000 the Democrats lost the EC and whined, bitched and moaned. Sixteen years lapse and not one Democrat made a move to even attempt to change the Constitution.
Before the election, every presidential candidate knew what the rules were and how to win the general election, now you bitch and moan because you lost?
Why not get smart and learn the rules and then instead of being on a message board crying and bitching about the rule, get off your fat ass and work to change the Constitution. How stupid does one have to be? Do the math? You do the math and change the Constitution. If it is such a great idea, you should have no problem changing or you could wait until you lose the next election and cry bitch and moan some more.
When the time is right, I will. There are much better nations on the planet.In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.Clinton, who won.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
If thats the way you feel, I suggest you book passage to a more likeable foreign port.
This country is run by the Constitution, not your opinion
Winning or losing has nothing at all to do with the Electoral College being undemocratic. It should have been tossed long ago. Just one big problem, the little useless kunt states like that flyover BS love it.
In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.
Winning or losing has nothing at all to do with the Electoral College being undemocratic. It should have been tossed long ago. Just one big problem, the little useless kunt states like that flyover BS love it. They love it not being one man one vote. Until we toss the entire Constitution, and we will, this is going to be an issue.In the real world the majority is supposed to get their guy into the highest office in the land. That seems to have been forgotten here.Clinton won the popular vote. Had all EC votes been awarded that way she would have won. We call such a thing Math.Clinton would have received about 1/3 less of the EV.
President
Candidate Party Votes Pct. E.V.
Clinton Hillary Clinton Democrat Dem. 8,753,788 61.5% 55
Trump Donald J. Trump Republican Rep. 4,483,810 31.5% —
Johnson Gary Johnson Libertarian Lib. 478,500 3.4% —
Stein Jill Stein Green Green 278,657 2.0% —
Others Others Independent Ind. 177,028 1.2% —
La Riva Gloria La Riva Peace and Freedom P.F. 66,101 0.5% —
Others Others 243,129 1.7% —
However, in the spirit of the Constitution, the states have the right to determine how the EC votes are distributed.
So, would of, could of, should of, don’t count in the real world.
What seems to be forgotten is our Constitution and it is the real world. If you don’t like it, then work to change it. In 2000 the Democrats lost the EC and whined, bitched and moaned. Sixteen years lapse and not one Democrat made a move to even attempt to change the Constitution.
Before the election, every presidential candidate knew what the rules were and how to win the general election, now you bitch and moan because you lost?
Why not get smart and learn the rules and then instead of being on a message board crying and bitching about the rule, get off your fat ass and work to change the Constitution. How stupid does one have to be? Do the math? You do the math and change the Constitution. If it is such a great idea, you should have no problem changing or you could wait until you lose the next election and cry bitch and moan some more.
