New IPCC Report Throwing in the Towel on AGW?

[Vox]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

 

[skookerasbil]

The whole thing fell apart when they got the Himalayan Glaciers wrong. They also got the Ice Cap data wrong. I mean they were already supposed to have disappeared already this month! But instead we are showing record amounts of ice cover.

And then there's the revisionism having to do with the HadCRUT4 models:

HadCRUt4: revision or revisionism? | Watts Up With That?

As well as the latest IPCC report:

Two Minutes to Midnight « Climate Audit

AGW is a lie. It has always been a lie. It always WILL be a lie.

Really, kid?

Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today

Yeah, really:

Antarctic Meltdown Producing Record Amounts Of Ice | Real Science

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...a-sea-ice-record-high-science-global-warming/

Now there's more ice at South Pole than ever (So much for global warming thawing Antarctica!) | Mail Online



This image is from September 26, 2012:

That shows a record gain in ice cover, not any loss...

And if you're worried about having no land ice, back in the late Cretaceous period, Earth was free of ice.

Study: The Late Cretaceous Period was likely ice-free | Watts Up With That?

LOL.....and the eco k00ks still insist that the shit is melting at a record pace!!!


Shit reminds me of the knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail!! The black knight who gets both his legs and arms cut off and tells Lancelot, "Ahh....its nothing but a flesh wound!!"

 

[JoeB131]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Actually, the "Ice Age" in the 1970's was a small minority view.

The theory of global warming goes all the way back to the 19th century.

History of climate change science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Vox]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Actually, the "Ice Age" in the 1970's was a small minority view.

The theory of global warming goes all the way back to the 19th century.

History of climate change science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope. it was not. it was the same majority who last decade was screaming about "warming".

wikipedia is not the best sort of knowledge, ya know

on the other hand, there is NOTHING wrong with warming, even global.
It is good for the planet

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Oh you mean those computers that were 1/100,000,000,000 as powerful as we have today could predict the climate. LOL The fact that we understand far more about the climate(variables) and far more powerful should offer pulse when talking about predictions at the time.

 

[JoeB131]

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Actually, the "Ice Age" in the 1970's was a small minority view.

The theory of global warming goes all the way back to the 19th century.

History of climate change science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope. it was not. it was the same majority who last decade was screaming about "warming".

wikipedia is not the best sort of knowledge, ya know

on the other hand, there is NOTHING wrong with warming, even global.
It is good for the planet

no, actually, it's really a bad thing when species die out because they can't cope with new climates.

It's really bad when the Coral Reefs die because the water is too warm.

These are bad things, guy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

You seem too sure given the little data we actually have on the PDO and its changes over time.

How was the PDO behaving during the Little Ice Age or the Middle Ages Warm Period?

Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past... [Nature. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI


Dosbat: Arctic Sea-Ice in the Little Ice Age.



The results from Kinnard et al complement an earlier study by Kaufman et al (2009) who find:

Strong warming in the 20th century contrasts
sharply with the preceding cooling trend. An Arctic
summer temperature of –0.5°C (relative to the period
1961–1990) might have been expected by the
mid-20th century on the basis of a simple forward
projection of the linear trend in the proxy data for
the period from 1 C.E. to 1900 C.E. (Fig. 3C).
Instead, our reconstruction indicates that temperatures
increased to +0.2°C by 1950. This shift correlates
with the rise in global average temperature,
which coincided with the onset of major anthropogenic
changes in global atmospheric composition,
the absence of major volcanic eruptions, and
changes in solar irradiance (30).


Leaving aside the bleedin' obvious about present sea-ice conditions being exceptional in the context of the last 1400 years. The LIA was around 1600 to 1800, a period of unusual cold in Europe and probably elsewhere in the Northern Hemisphere, Kinnard et al shows that at the time the Arctic experienced a dip in sea-ice extent. That's an apparent reduction in sea-ice at a time of purported cooling.

There's a denialist fringe that wants to explain all climate change in terms of the Sun (insolation) or Earth's relationship to it (e.g. Milankovitch Cycles). The behaviour of the Arctic seems to present a problem in terms of this brute force relationship between insolation and temperature. However as I've discussed previously there is reason to expect a more subtle solar impact upon terrestrial climate.

 

[Vox]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Oh you mean those computers that were 1/100,000,000,000 as powerful as we have today could predict the climate. LOL The fact that we understand far more about the climate(variables) and far more powerful should offer pulse when talking about predictions at the time.

I don't care what they were.

the predictions were WRONG. both then and now. One of the authors of the models is the same hysterical alarmist Hansen who recently, after the report from his very NASA showed that he is wrong yet again, finally retired.

 

[Vox]

Actually, the "Ice Age" in the 1970's was a small minority view.

The theory of global warming goes all the way back to the 19th century.

History of climate change science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope. it was not. it was the same majority who last decade was screaming about "warming".

wikipedia is not the best sort of knowledge, ya know

on the other hand, there is NOTHING wrong with warming, even global.
It is good for the planet

no, actually, it's really a bad thing when species die out because they can't cope with new climates.

It's really bad when the Coral Reefs die because the water is too warm.

These are bad things, guy.

no, actually it is perfect. and it is reflected in the previous period of global warming - Medieval warm period, that was a good time for the humankind.
VS the little Ice Age, for example.

 

[JoeB131]

nope. it was not. it was the same majority who last decade was screaming about "warming".

wikipedia is not the best sort of knowledge, ya know

on the other hand, there is NOTHING wrong with warming, even global.
It is good for the planet

no, actually, it's really a bad thing when species die out because they can't cope with new climates.

It's really bad when the Coral Reefs die because the water is too warm.

These are bad things, guy.

no, actually it is perfect. and it is reflected in the previous period of global warming - Medieval warm period, that was a good time for the humankind.
VS the little Ice Age, for example.

Well, no, not exactly. The MWP was just limited to Europe, not the entire globe. it didn't get as warm as wide or as fast as is happening now.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Science is all about finding out new things and rethinking


More longer term sea extent data within the attachments.

The little ice age was likely caused by a different phase of the AMO that forced cold air over north America and Europe. So less cold was over the arctic.

 

[Hoffstra]

NASA: 2012 Was 9th Hottest Year on Record

The year 2012 was the ninth hottest on record, according to a new global temperature report from NASA, the United States space agency

The agencies' findings show that, with the exception of 1988, the nine warmest years in the 132-year global weather record have all occurred since the year 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranked as the hottest years ever.




lolol!!!

AGW has stopped, my butt!!

 

[ScienceRocks]

NASA: 2012 Was 9th Hottest Year on Record

The year 2012 was the ninth hottest on record, according to a new global temperature report from NASA, the United States space agency

The agencies' findings show that, with the exception of 1988, the nine warmest years in the 132-year global weather record have all occurred since the year 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranked as the hottest years ever.




lolol!!!

AGW has stopped, my butt!!

It's possible
How to Calculate the Mean Value


http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm


1990 .2
1995 .25
1998 .4
2005 .41
2010 .42
2013 .38

Let's imagine this...You can have a higher avg for the 2000's then 1990's and still have little warming.

 

[Hoffstra]

if 2010 and 2005 were the hottest years on record, that means AGW didn't stop in 1998.

or 2001

or 2002

or 2003

or 2004

 

[TemplarKormac]

NASA: 2012 Was 9th Hottest Year on Record

The year 2012 was the ninth hottest on record, according to a new global temperature report from NASA, the United States space agency

The agencies' findings show that, with the exception of 1988, the nine warmest years in the 132-year global weather record have all occurred since the year 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranked as the hottest years ever.




lolol!!!

AGW has stopped, my butt!!

Um, no.

2899 Record cold temps vs 667 record warm temps in U.S. ? From July 24 to August 19 | Climate Depot

The warming ?plateau? may extend back even further | Watts Up With That?

 

[ScienceRocks]

We're heading for the 6th warmest this year.

Global Analysis - August 2013 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Well the instability is pretty stable...in being present, sort of.....

 

[JimBowie1958]

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Actually, the "Ice Age" in the 1970's was a small minority view.

The theory of global warming goes all the way back to the 19th century.

History of climate change science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nope. it was not. it was the same majority who last decade was screaming about "warming".

wikipedia is not the best sort of knowledge, ya know

on the other hand, there is NOTHING wrong with warming, even global.
It is good for the planet

Yep the same 'science' hysteria community, only smaller back then but its grown a lot.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well, the models didn't understand all the variables. One being the PDO that is turning out to be the reason for the warming between 1910-1940, stable between 1940-1975, and warming between 1975-2000.

Same is occurring now.

baloney. the same very wrong models were predicting "Ice Age" in the 70s. the hysteria about "warming" did not start until early 90s.

there was NOTHING STABLE ever

Oh you mean those computers that were 1/100,000,000,000 as powerful as we have today could predict the climate. LOL The fact that we understand far more about the climate(variables) and far more powerful should offer pulse when talking about predictions at the time.

They were enhanced with lots of TA's using slide rules.