New t.v. show idea to teach lefties...trading places for CEOs and low level workers....

[Nutz]

Yeah, I am a capitalist. The world is capitalist. You aren't gonna change that.

Capitalism is constantly contradicting itself, and has already begun it's own destruction, mainly due to rampant capitalists. The lower classes are getting more and more agitated, we've had revolutions in the past over capitalism, it will happen again.

How long has capitalism existed. When did the downfall begin. How do you define the downfall. Are your ideals unique or do others thnk as you do?

Check out the video in my signature, but I'll try to sum it up:
- The stagnant wages of the working class, the constant overproduction of goods, waste of surplus/destruction of the environment, rampant agitation of the lower classes... Many more detailed reasons, the video helps explain this.

I don't buy it, but please share with me a solution to these issues...in your own words. No links...just why you hold these ideals.

My solution? Revolution of the working class, government control by the workers, and, eventually, dissolution of the state. I should also mention that the capitalists will no longer be able to exploit others. You don't buy it? Have you seen the wasted food that is produced, despite hundreds of millions in hunger? I began to consider myself a marxist several years ago, after considering myself a socialist for quite some time, always following the bullshit about communism being a dictatorship by definition, blah blah.. Met a buddy who happened to be a communist, really opened me eyes, began to read literature from marx/engels and other marxists, started studying the history of the struggle of workers, marxist-leninist states, the lives of inspirational leaders such as lenin and mao, and it went from there. You can see the capitalist destruction of the environment on your own, that's a no brainer. The lower classes have historically been getting enraged throughout history when capitalist exploitation gets to a horrid point, it's happening again, especially in the third world/china, where many are considering themselves Maoist's. (yay)

OK...I don't agree with. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Unkotare]

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I want to abolish the fucking state, jesus.

You're not going to, fool.

 

[Unkotare]

You are compensated for your strengths. The free market dictates salary. Success dictates monetary compensation. Without money, how do you attract the best??

People are not just complaining about CEO pay, they are complaining that their pay is steadily increasing while employees' pay stays the same or even getting laid off to pay for that CEO. It's the best example that trickle down does not work as advertised.

I don't agree with that. There will always be a bottom line that a company has to keep. If a CEO is able to make necessary cuts to maintain success, why shouldn't he? You forget that it is a free marketplace that creates competition that discourages unethical business. Not to mention the power of the consumer. What is the problem? A company lays off employees for no good reason...buy from somewhere else!

Don't gloss over the problem, working class wages are flat while upper tax brackets are experiencing unprecedented income growth. Trickle down does not work as advertised but it damned sure works as intended, getting poor conservatives to close ranks around the wealthy because they think their livelihoods depend on it.

Trickle down....you mean keeping taxes low and government small so that poor people can start their own businesses without the government crushing them before they even open their doors......

Last time I looked poor people starting businesses are not among the most highly paid individuals in the nation. Billionaires rigging the economy, manipulating the markets and engaging in uncompetitive practices have ruined more small businesses than anyone.

I'll bet every time your girl's soccer team lost you blamed some "rigging" or "noncompetitive practices."

 

[occupied]

Marxism is a pipedream that flies in the face of human nature, just like the free market dogma that conservatives espouse. Both require humans to be at their most honest at the moment when it is in their best interests to lie and cheat.

You observe 'human nature' under capitalism and assume that is human nature. Come on man.

Sorry to burst your bubble but large groups of humans stubbornly refuse to live under anything but a hierarchy and the people on top steal from the rest, it has been the same under any system larger than a village that has ever been formed. The best system is one that still serves self-interest but does not allow things to get so far out of balance that an untouchable aristocracy forms.

And that is exactly why I like free market Capitalism.......

You mean that shit we have now where the billionaires are free to buy our politicians and are practically impossible to charge with financial wrongdoing? No I am talking about a system where the economically powerful are held accountable for their actions such as a social democracy.

Really...so you concentrate government power...and make it easier to be bought...and you expect things to be better....

The best way....take power away from the government....make taxes low on everyone...and then there is no reason or need to bribe the greedy corrupt politicians...only when they have power do they have something to sell.....

Rich people always become the government in the absence of popular government. Create a power vacuum and an opportunistic greedy bastard will take full advantage of it every single time. Big business has invariably shown themselves to be untrustworthy, even more so than the government because you cannot vote out a powerful billionaire.

 

[Nutz]

You are compensated for your strengths. The free market dictates salary. Success dictates monetary compensation. Without money, how do you attract the best??

People are not just complaining about CEO pay, they are complaining that their pay is steadily increasing while employees' pay stays the same or even getting laid off to pay for that CEO. It's the best example that trickle down does not work as advertised.

I don't agree with that. There will always be a bottom line that a company has to keep. If a CEO is able to make necessary cuts to maintain success, why shouldn't he? You forget that it is a free marketplace that creates competition that discourages unethical business. Not to mention the power of the consumer. What is the problem? A company lays off employees for no good reason...buy from somewhere else!

Don't gloss over the problem, working class wages are flat while upper tax brackets are experiencing unprecedented income growth. Trickle down does not work as advertised but it damned sure works as intended, getting poor conservatives to close ranks around the wealthy because they think their livelihoods depend on it.

It hasn't trickled down all of the way, yet. Why would you not compensate the leaders of your company first? Why wouldn't you provide bonuses to those who pulled your business through a recession/

Why wouldn't someone want to share in their prosperity with the people who's hard work made it possible? When a big company does give out pay raises it makes the news because it is noteworthy for it's rarity. This trend has been ongoing for nearly 40 years now and people are getting tired of waiting for the return on what we have invested in them through tax cuts, subsidies and giant loopholes. If wealth is not flowing downward it is high time to make it flow downward.

Regretfully not all people have a moral compass that points towards charity. And again, if you don't agree with a campany's policy...don't use their products and rallies those of similar thought to do the same. You don't have to boycott...you just have to show you have integrity and show principle.

 

[Unkotare]

My solution? Revolution of the working class, government control by the workers, and, eventually, dissolution of the state.

That stupid idea has already been tried to varying degrees and it has always failed. All that resulted was famine, suffering, and death on the scale of tens of millions. You're trying to ride a dead horse, dopey.

 

[Unkotare]

in the third world/china, where many are considering themselves Maoist's. (yay)

Not so much.

 

[occupied]

People are not just complaining about CEO pay, they are complaining that their pay is steadily increasing while employees' pay stays the same or even getting laid off to pay for that CEO. It's the best example that trickle down does not work as advertised.

I don't agree with that. There will always be a bottom line that a company has to keep. If a CEO is able to make necessary cuts to maintain success, why shouldn't he? You forget that it is a free marketplace that creates competition that discourages unethical business. Not to mention the power of the consumer. What is the problem? A company lays off employees for no good reason...buy from somewhere else!

Don't gloss over the problem, working class wages are flat while upper tax brackets are experiencing unprecedented income growth. Trickle down does not work as advertised but it damned sure works as intended, getting poor conservatives to close ranks around the wealthy because they think their livelihoods depend on it.

Trickle down....you mean keeping taxes low and government small so that poor people can start their own businesses without the government crushing them before they even open their doors......

Last time I looked poor people starting businesses are not among the most highly paid individuals in the nation. Billionaires rigging the economy, manipulating the markets and engaging in uncompetitive practices have ruined more small businesses than anyone.

I'll bet every time your girl's soccer team lost you blamed some "rigging" or "noncompetitive practices."

Do you actually think that fraud and corruption are not a large part of big business? It sounds like you actually think that. There is no such thing as a commodity or revenue stream that is not manipulated and skimmed off of and no much smaller competitor that faces a level playing field. Companies get to be monopolistic through ruthlessness, not because they necessarily have the best product.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you actually think that fraud and corruption are not a large part of big business?..

Happens to a degree at every level of business, as well as every other human endeavor.

 

[bodecea]

One of my fav episodes of Undercover Boss is when the CEO of Hooters went to a restaurant and found out the Manager was treating his women bartenders and waitresses like sex objects...and he was SO SURPRISED.

What an idiot.

 

[2aguy]

We can agree to disagree...we are pretty much on opposite sides of the spectrum.

If you ever decide to start a business...I know an illiterate drug addict teaper....let him be your CEO since all people have equal worth.

Great way to lack basic understanding of what I'm referring to as worth, since I view all actual jobs that benefit others as having equal worth.

there is no such thing as equal worth......that is a delusion

Under capitalism, there can never be.

And under the statism you worship there is equal space in the mass grave.........

I want to abolish the fucking state, jesus.

Look....it seems as if you have just discovered the wonders of marxism.....it happens....now.....after you get past the initial rush....try broadening your research...try these guys...

Thomas Sowell....he started out as a marxist...you can even read his books on marx and then move on to his other works...

Walter E. Williams...another great economist....

Friedrich Hayek...."The Road to Serfdom" it will answer your question as to why thugs always come out on top in any communist movement.....

Friedrich Bastiat..."The Law" excellent short book...I learned about it from Walter E. Williams...explains the whole "legal theft" concept.....

Please...try reading these things before you put up your che poster..........

 

[occupied]

Do you actually think that fraud and corruption are not a large part of big business?..

Happens to a degree at every level of business, as well as every other human endeavor.

Yes, so why is it such a sin against capitalism to address criminality at the highest levels of finance? The invisible hand has done nothing to prevent the very worse kind of businessmen getting extremely wealthy.

 

[Katzndogz]

Low level workers seldom put in the effort to rise above low level work. They want to leave when their shift is over. They want double or triple time to work weekends and holidays. They put themselves before the company. The CEO puts the company before himself or his family. That's why the CEO is so well paid.

The low level worker is controlled by the backward bending curve. The more money they are paid the less they want to work. GoPro just announced that their lowest level employee will make $70,000 a year. The response from some employees was that such a large increase meant they would have more time off.

 

[2aguy]

Do you actually think that fraud and corruption are not a large part of big business?..

Happens to a degree at every level of business, as well as every other human endeavor.

Yes, so why is it such a sin against capitalism to address criminality at the highest levels of finance? The invisible hand has done nothing to prevent the very worse kind of businessmen getting extremely wealthy.

And how do they get away with it.....because of the power in the hands of politicians.....so let's give politicians even more power so they can sell even more of it........

 

[ORION83]

Conservatives will never get it. Being able to live off ANY job is NOT up for a debate. The simple fact is this "free market" garbage is just that garbage and an excuse to hold people down. When you can afford to pay 1 person millions and thousands of people pennies you lost the argument. Its a human rights thing not a what you are worth thing. Its just an excuse to complain to harm the majority so a tiny minority keeps the power.

 

[ORION83]

Low level workers seldom put in the effort to rise above low level work. They want to leave when their shift is over. They want double or triple time to work weekends and holidays. They put themselves before the company. The CEO puts the company before himself or his family. That's why the CEO is so well paid.

The low level worker is controlled by the backward bending curve. The more money they are paid the less they want to work. GoPro just announced that their lowest level employee will make $70,000 a year. The response from some employees was that such a large increase meant they would have more time off.

^ Has obviously never known a low WAGE worker...

 

[Unkotare]

Do you actually think that fraud and corruption are not a large part of big business?..

Happens to a degree at every level of business, as well as every other human endeavor.

Yes, so why is it such a sin against capitalism to address criminality at the highest levels of finance? ...

It isn't, straw man.

 

[Unkotare]

Conservatives will never get it. Being able to live off ANY job is NOT up for a debate. The simple fact is this "free market" garbage is just that garbage and an excuse to hold people down. When you can afford to pay 1 person millions and thousands of people pennies you lost the argument. Its a human rights thing not a what you are worth thing. Its just an excuse to complain to harm the majority so a tiny minority keeps the power.

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[ORION83]

Conservatives will never get it. Being able to live off ANY job is NOT up for a debate. The simple fact is this "free market" garbage is just that garbage and an excuse to hold people down. When you can afford to pay 1 person millions and thousands of people pennies you lost the argument. Its a human rights thing not a what you are worth thing. Its just an excuse to complain to harm the majority so a tiny minority keeps the power.

......

 

[Unkotare]

Conservatives will never get it. Being able to live off ANY job is NOT up for a debate. The simple fact is this "free market" garbage is just that garbage and an excuse to hold people down. When you can afford to pay 1 person millions and thousands of people pennies you lost the argument. Its a human rights thing not a what you are worth thing. Its just an excuse to complain to harm the majority so a tiny minority keeps the power.

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Your kind of pseudo-marxist bullcrap has been thoroughly discredited for a long time now. You need to find a younger professor to tell you what to think.