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If Zimmeran hit the African first, I'd say the shooting isn't justified. But, you'd have shit for brains to think Zimmerman hit first.
6'3" drugged-up African football player vs. a pugy hispanic.
A "fuck you"-attitude African vs. a guy who expected the police any moment.
Shooting is still justified if Zimmermann hit him first. Martin continues attacking after Zimmermann was down & screaming for help. The only way Martin is justified in this is if Zimmerman pulled his gun on Martin & Martin felt he had to get the gun to be safe. No witness saw a struggle for a gun.
First eye witness (adult male) saw Martin on top of & beating Zimmerman as Zimmerman yelled "HELP". That is recorded on 911 tape & news crew interviewed this witness on tape within hours.
Second eye witness (boy walking dog) saw Martin on top of Zimmerman as Zimmermann yelled "HELP". This was moments prior to shooting. That is also recorded on 911 tape.
This was my concern.
Wouldn't Zimmerman still be responsible for the death though if he started the altercation? I believe that's what manslaughter is. Unless I'm wrong. I can't understand how purposely putting yourself in a situation where you may have to take someones life is totally justifiable by law. I can see where you wouldn't be able to be charged with murder, but there has to be a a charge somewhere IF you initiated the contact like even simple assault.
TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND
When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.
Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a fucking coon clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.
You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.
I think it's a bad law, personally, for just this reason. (Unless it's pure self-defense, then that law is needed.)Isn't this a classic example where vigilantism goes wrong?
TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND
When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.
Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a fucking coon clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.
You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.
Wrong, as usual.
Zimmerman intiated a verbal confrontation with Martin, not a physical one. At least there is no witness testamony that suggests he started a physical fight.
Once the two traded words, Zimmerman was walking away. At that point Martin initiated a physical attack. At that point Zimmerman was well within his rights to shoot him, especially after getting his nose broke and yelling for help and no one came to help him.
Just another victim of the thug culture. He thought he'd be tough picking a fight with the guy, so he blindsided him. Unfortunately for Martin the guy had a gun and used it.
I think it's a bad law, personally, for just this reason. (Unless it's pure self-defense, then that law is needed.)Isn't this a classic example where vigilantism goes wrong?
TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND
When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.
Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a fucking coon clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.
You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.
Is someone standing their ground when caught braking and entering and they kill someone?TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND
When he was confronted by someone he thought was there to do him harm, he lashed out in defense of his life. Zimmerman who initiated this confrontation cannot use self defense when he was getting his butt kick by a kid drew his gun and shot this kid he was stalking and confronted. Zimmerman was the perpetrator of his incident, not Trayvon who was minding his business on his way home and did not owe Zimmerman who did not identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, an explanation why he was where he was.
Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a fucking coon clearly make this a hate crime and murder and not self defense.
You cannot pick a fight with some one, kill them and call it self defense when you are getting your butt kicked.
OH and the coon part you can make yourself hear anything if you want too. In that audio it's not clear exactly what was said, but you go ahead and believe that if you want too.
I hate, HATE mobs/villagers-with-torches.I think it's a bad law, personally, for just this reason. (Unless it's pure self-defense, then that law is needed.)Isn't this a classic example where vigilantism goes wrong?
I think it might be involunteery manslaughter at best. The victim's mother allowing Sharpton and Jackson to get involved has done nothing to help the situation...She should have just got her lawyer, let the SP do her thing, and watch it all come out in the wash....
the shit is hitting the fan.. so much for the 'wisdom of the mob'
fuck social media
Page 2: Trayvon Martin Shooter Says Teenager Went for His Gun - ABC News
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SANFORD, Fla., March 26
The law affords people enormous leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.
Corey, a veteran prosecutor known for her zealous defense of victims rights was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. But she faces other challenges in the case.
While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.
Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.
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Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?
To learn more about Trayvons character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues.
Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image,
rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.
That's what it must be, because it couldn't be she wants to protect her son's name from opportunists perverting it.The mother says that is her son's voice screaming for help.After listening to the 911 tapes & eye witness's I believe it was a justifiable shooting. Zimmerman was on his back screaming help so loud it could clearly be heard over the phone inside a home at least 20 times while being beaten by Martin. Martin continued to beat a man that was clearly subdued begging for help.
Of course she does, she's already filed for patents on her son's name and cds, etc. Can't make money if you admit your son's a bully.
Or maybe someone pulled a gun after he got his head smashed into the sidewalk several times and his face bashed.the shit is hitting the fan.. so much for the 'wisdom of the mob'
fuck social media
Page 2: Trayvon Martin Shooter Says Teenager Went for His Gun - ABC News
Page 2 of 2
SANFORD, Fla., March 26
The law affords people enormous leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.
Corey, a veteran prosecutor known for her zealous defense of victims rights was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. But she faces other challenges in the case.
While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.
Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.
========
Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?
To learn more about Trayvons character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues.
Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image,
rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.
If someone was trying to kill me with a gun at close range I'd try to take their gun, too. Doesn't seem like there's too much of an option at that point. Its either throw something heavy at them - or go for their gun.
the shit is hitting the fan.. so much for the 'wisdom of the mob'
fuck social media
Page 2: Trayvon Martin Shooter Says Teenager Went for His Gun - ABC News
Page 2 of 2
SANFORD, Fla., March 26
The law affords people enormous leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.
Corey, a veteran prosecutor known for her zealous defense of victims rights was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. But she faces other challenges in the case.
While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.
Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.
========
Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?
To learn more about Trayvons character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues.
Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image,
rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.
If someone was trying to kill me with a gun at close range I'd try to take their gun, too. Doesn't seem like there's too much of an option at that point. Its either throw something heavy at them - or go for their gun.
Whether it was Zimmerman's fault or not, Martin was on top of him beating him after he was subdued & yelling for help. That makes the shooting legal.
If Zimmeran hit the African first, I'd say the shooting isn't justified. But, you'd have shit for brains to think Zimmerman hit first.
6'3" drugged-up African football player vs. a pugy hispanic.
A "fuck you"-attitude African vs. a guy who expected the police any moment.
Devil's advocate.
What was the point of chasing the kid in the first place if he had no intention of doing anything when he caught up to him?
Did he want to say "hi" or something?
Another witness said the one who got shot was screaming. Another one said "the guy with the white shirt" was on top beating on someone. Witnesses are so confused in this case.
Plus Zimmy could have been screaming for help... doesn't mean the altercation wasn't his fault in the first place.
Whether it was Zimmerman's fault or not, Martin was on top of him beating him after he was subdued & yelling for help. That makes the shooting legal.
So I can go start a fight today, get my tail whooped, and then shoot the person I start a fight with and face absolutely no charges?
Except he's NOT a "neighborhood watch dude." He's an armed street thug hunting blacks.If Zimmeran hit the African first, I'd say the shooting isn't justified. But, you'd have shit for brains to think Zimmerman hit first.
6'3" drugged-up African football player vs. a pugy hispanic.
A "fuck you"-attitude African vs. a guy who expected the police any moment.
Devil's advocate.
What was the point of chasing the kid in the first place if he had no intention of doing anything when he caught up to him?
Did he want to say "hi" or something?
I think that has already been answered. he's a neighborhood watch dude, and the neighborhood has had a spate of break ins. He wanted to know who the kid was, and what he was doing. It's reasonable.
Know what?Except he's NOT a "neighborhood watch dude." He's an armed street thug hunting blacks.Devil's advocate.
What was the point of chasing the kid in the first place if he had no intention of doing anything when he caught up to him?
Did he want to say "hi" or something?
I think that has already been answered. he's a neighborhood watch dude, and the neighborhood has had a spate of break ins. He wanted to know who the kid was, and what he was doing. It's reasonable.
Page 2: Trayvon Martin Arrest Now After ABC Reveals Crucial Phone Call - ABC News
Nearly half a million people have signed an online petition on change.org urging law enforcement officials to step in and arrest Zimmerman, who violated major parts of the Neighborhood Watch Manual, which states "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles."
There are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of Martin's killing, said Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program.
