Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[the other mike]

So how in the fuck do you implement Marxist policies without taking over Politics?

Well, according to Stalin, you just start killing 70 Million People who oppose you and Problem Solved.

No need to involve politics, because everyone agrees with you after that.

How many million Native Americans were killed here ?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Social-ism is what we are quibbling.

How does that explain to me your premise that "Government requires Socialism." Especially given that government existed LONG before Socialism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

How many million Native Americans were killed here ?

Not 70 million.

 

[the other mike]

Socialism is like Palmolive if it is merely a matter of degree.

What the fuck does that mean? You are not making any sense, dan.

Socialism is dish soap? But, only if it is merely a matter of degree? Degree of WHAT?

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It dawned on me too.

 

[danielpalos]

Social-ism is what we are quibbling.

How does that explain to me your premise that "Government requires Socialism." Especially given that government existed LONG before Socialism.

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government; and it is equally undeniable that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights, in order to vest it with requisite powers.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism has no provision for that.

Why, when it had for many years prior to Socialism?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government; and it is equally undeniable that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights, in order to vest it with requisite powers.

How is that the same as Government owning means of production?

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[danielpalos]

Capitalism has no provision for that.

Why, when it had for many years prior to Socialism?

Capitalism includes privateers not Government.

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government; and it is equally undeniable that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights, in order to vest it with requisite powers.

How is that the same as Government owning means of production?

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Only Government is delegated those Powers by the People via our Representatives.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism includes privateers not Government.

So? What point are you trying to make, dan?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Only Government is delegated those Powers by the People via our Representatives.

How is that the same as Government owning the means of production?

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism includes privateers not Government.

So? What point are you trying to make, dan?

Socialism is Government not Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Only Government is delegated those Powers by the People via our Representatives.

How is that the same as Government owning the means of production?

We delegated some of our natural rights to vest Government with means of production.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Socialism is Government not Capitalism.

Holy circular reasoning.

Government existed before Socialism. Can we at least agree on that point?

The Romans had a government. That government was not a socialist government, right? It was about 2000 years before Socialism reared it's ugly head.

Can we agree on that?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We delegated some of our natural rights to vest Government with means of production.

No we don't.

Give me an example.

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[danielpalos]

Socialism is Government not Capitalism.

Holy circular reasoning.

Government existed before Socialism. Can we at least agree on that point?

The Romans had a government. That government was not a socialist government, right? It was about 2000 years before Socialism reared it's ugly head.

Can we agree on that?

The Romans invented the dole system. Government really did solve all problems for the Romans.

 

[danielpalos]

We delegated some of our natural rights to vest Government with means of production.

No we don't.

Give me an example.

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we delegated Powers to Congress; that is a One Way street. Is that a simple enough explanation?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Romans invented the dole system. Government really did solve all problems for the Romans.

It was NOT socialism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

we delegated Powers to Congress; that is a One Way street. Is that a simple enough explanation?

Umm....no it is NOT!!!

Our founders believed this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Declaration of Independence
The Declaration of Independence: Full text

You're fucking wrong, dan.

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[danielpalos]

The Romans invented the dole system. Government really did solve all problems for the Romans.

It was NOT socialism.

Yes, it was a purely public policy.