Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[danielpalos]

we delegated Powers to Congress; that is a One Way street. Is that a simple enough explanation?

Umm....no it is NOT!!!

Our founders believed this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Declaration of Independence
The Declaration of Independence: Full text

You're fucking wrong, dan.

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no, i am not.

our form of social-ism enumerates a Ninth Amendment.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes, it was a purely public policy.

Public policy?

So, anything that is public policy is socialism in your mind?

Unless the public policy is government owning the means of production, public policy is not socialism.

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[danielpalos]

Yes, it was a purely public policy.

Public policy?

So, anything that is public policy is socialism in your mind?

Unless the public policy is government owning the means of production, public policy is not socialism.

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public policy based on the social-ism of our form of Government; in our Case, via our Representatives to Government in Congress.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Socialism saved capitalism after WW2.

For a host of different reasons, the purchasing power of money has fallen by 99% in the past 100 years. That’s an average decline of 5% a year. Wages have not risen by the same amount. Those who rely on their salaries to get by have suffered an inexorable erosion of their wealth. Those who own assets have made good.

Wealth inequality is soaring – here are the 10 reasons why it’s happening | Dominic Frisby

For a host of different reasons, the purchasing power of money has fallen by 99% in the past 100 years.

Wrong.

That’s an average decline of 5% a year.

More like 2.7%

Wages have not risen by the same amount.

They've risen more.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

public policy based the social-ism of our form of Government; in our Case, via our Representatives to Government in Congress.

That is not government ownership over the means of production.

Do you know what the "means of production" is, dan?

Let's start there.

 

[The Original Tree]

Cuba could look like Singapore, but it's big brother USA
wants a military prison and trade embargos that keep them poor.
And China is the fascist country.

I thought Russia was keeping Cuba poor.

 

[The Original Tree]

"We can get at this in other words.

"Markets were mechanisms of distribution in societies with very different production systems.

"For example, in economies based on the enslavement of people, resulting in a production system involving masters and slaves, 'inputs' and 'outputs' — including enslaved people — were often bought and sold in markets. We might then speak of slave markets: when a slave production system coexisted with a market distribution system.

"If productive enterprises remain structured around the employer-employee relationship, they remain capitalist with or without a coexisting market system."

Episode 10 – Worker Self-Directed Enterprises and Socialism (w/ Dr. Richard Wolff)

Markets that distribute goods and service based on the ability to pay insure the hierarchies of owner and (wage) slave remain unchallenged.

Until we bring democracy to the place where most adults spend a majority of their waking hours, socialism will remain an untested alternative to slavery of all kinds.

Here's a good example of a very successful worker-co op in northern Spain.
Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia

Move to Spain.

Move to Spain.

Take Trump with you

"The Singapore Constitution does not include a right to privacy and the data protection act does not protect citizens from government-sanctioned surveillance.[28]

"The government does not need prior judicial authorisation to conduct any surveillance interception,[29] and documents that restrict what officials can do with personal data are classified.[30]

"In a U.S State Department report in 2015, it is believed that law enforcement and government agencies have extensive networks for gathering information and conducting surveillance.

"Majority of Singaporeans are under the impression that authorities track telephone conversations and the use of the internet of civilians, and routine checks are done on some opposition politicians and other government critics.[31]"

Human rights in Singapore - Wikipedia

Take Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Castro, Satan, Clinton and Obama with you.

 

[the other mike]

By 2030 the richest 1% will own two-thirds of global wealth.

 

[The Original Tree]

There seems little doubt should China or Russia take over the US position of dominance in world affairs, there would not be even a token appreciation of democracy or human rights?

All the more reason for the US to stop being the dick of the planet.

You don't blame The Chinese Communist for killing Millions in North Vietnam, and the people in South Vietnam wanting to be free, you blame them, and blame them for asking The French and US to try to stop their country from being destroyed by Communism?

What's it like to be Putin's Butt Plug?

 

[The Original Tree]

By 2030 the richest 1% will own two-thirds of global wealth.

It's only 2019 and Communism already owns you.


Owners name: Roman Abramovich - Abramovich Net Worth: US$ 11.4 billion -Owners company: Gazprom (sold) - Owners Country: Russia - The luxury motor yacht Eclipse is one of the largest yachts in the world. Abramovich is building a new yacht in Germany.

Who is the owner of the yacht?
The yacht is owned by Russian billionaire Roman Arkadyevich Abramovich. He is one of the richest people in the world. He sold his oil company Sibneft for US$ 13 billion.

 

[danielpalos]

public policy based the social-ism of our form of Government; in our Case, via our Representatives to Government in Congress.

That is not government ownership over the means of production.

Do you know what the "means of production" is, dan?

Let's start there.

Yes; Government "owns the means of production regarding public policies".

 

[danielpalos]

Cuba could look like Singapore, but it's big brother USA
wants a military prison and trade embargos that keep them poor.
And China is the fascist country.

I thought Russia was keeping Cuba poor.

trade wars are not capitalism.

 

[the other mike]

Cuba could look like Singapore, but it's big brother USA
wants a military prison and trade embargos that keep them poor.
And China is the fascist country.

I thought Russia was keeping Cuba poor.

No you're thinking of Operation Cyclone and
the CIA who tricked the Soviets into war in 1979.
https://mountainscholar.org/bitstream/handle/10976/28/URJ32_Billard.pdf?sequence=1

 

[danielpalos]

By 2030 the richest 1% will own two-thirds of global wealth.

private charity only covers multitudes of sins not poverty.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cuba could look like Singapore, but it's big brother USA
wants a military prison and trade embargos that keep them poor.
And China is the fascist country.

Cuba could look like Singapore, but it's big brother USA
wants a military prison and trade embargos that keep them poor.

The difference between Singapore and Cuba is that Singapore can trade with every country in the world and Cuba can trade with every country but one?

Well, damn, how fucking stupid do you have to be to piss off the one country that makes all that difference?

We've seen that Communism makes you poor, I guess it also makes you cretin-level stupid.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Hmmmm….maybe freedom has something to do with it as well?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yes; Government "owns the means of production regarding public policies".

That's what I though.

You don't even know what the means of production is.

Here. Read this and understand it before you argue this topic again:

the definition of means of production

 

[the other mike]

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Hmmmm….maybe freedom has something to do with it as well?

Actually Taiwan would have been a better analogy to Cuba.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

private charity only covers multitudes of sins not poverty.

Another meaningless platitude.

And now....DEEP THOUGHTS, by Dan Palos:

"As the light changed from red, to green, to yellow, and back to red again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking and yelling? Sometimes, it seemed that way."

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[Oddball]

Yes, it was a purely public policy.

Public policy?

So, anything that is public policy is socialism in your mind?

Unless the public policy is government owning the means of production, public policy is not socialism.

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Dude, he's a tar baby of stoopit....Just let it go.

 

[the other mike]

We've seen that Communism makes you poor,

Compared to the capitalism players like World Bank, IMF, MIC* and the Clinton Foundation doing so much for the poor you mean ?

*military industrial complex