Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

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I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.
 
. . . and incidentally, we will continue to have failures, recessions, depressions and corruption until we get rid of the FED.

We had all of those things before the Fed, why would they disappear if the Fed went away?
And considering that those things only happen under Republicans, why do you idiots keep voting for them, as if I didn't know, brainwashed functional morons.....

Why are you such a stupid twat?
. . . does it come naturally?

iu
 
I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
 
. . . and incidentally, we will continue to have failures, recessions, depressions and corruption until we get rid of the FED.

We had all of those things before the Fed, why would they disappear if the Fed went away?
I'm not saying they would. However, the point, is that it should not work in concert with the political parties to choose winners and losers. It is an abomination. To you? As you personally benefit. I have no doubt you believe it is just fine.


What I am saying is that these events are more severe. The only folks that are benefiting are the wealthy, and the powerful.

The game is rigged. Everyone would be better off to let markets be free.

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However, the point, is that it should not work in concert with the political parties to choose winners and losers.

Any specifics?

As you personally benefit.

I do? How?

What I am saying is that these events are more severe.

Which events?
 
Quality of life, human dignity, and the values we hold cannot and should not be measured in dollars and cents. I did not say that we shouldn't be the best, however. My position is better distilled as being a declaration that we don't need to have the most.

Great, you don't want the most, most Americans do, and I'm fine with that.

I have seen no evidence that most americans want the most. If they did, they certainly wouldn't be electing republicans who work diligently 24/7 to make sure that the least have the most and the most have the least.
 
. . . and incidentally, we will continue to have failures, recessions, depressions and corruption until we get rid of the FED.

We had all of those things before the Fed, why would they disappear if the Fed went away?
I'm not saying they would. However, the point, is that it should not work in concert with the political parties to choose winners and losers. It is an abomination. To you? As you personally benefit. I have no doubt you believe it is just fine.


What I am saying is that these events are more severe. The only folks that are benefiting are the wealthy, and the powerful.

The game is rigged. Everyone would be better off to let markets be free.

to-act-on-the-belief-that-we-possess-the-knowledge-and-the-power-which-enable-us-to-shape-the-processes-of-society-entirely-to-our-liking-knowledge-which-in-fact-we-do-not-possess-is-likely-to-make-us-do-much-harm-168071.jpg
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However, the point, is that it should not work in concert with the political parties to choose winners and losers.

Any specifics?

As you personally benefit.

I do? How?

What I am saying is that these events are more severe.

Which events?
Don't play dumb with me.

We have gone over this for years now. I know you, you know me. Let's just agree to disagree on this.
 
. . . and incidentally, we will continue to have failures, recessions, depressions and corruption until we get rid of the FED.

We had all of those things before the Fed, why would they disappear if the Fed went away?
And considering that those things only happen under Republicans, why do you idiots keep voting for them, as if I didn't know, brainwashed functional morons.....

Why are you such a stupid twat?
. . . does it come naturally?

iu
Republicans are always going off to prison and starting recessions and depressions, not the Democrats, doops. 1929 1989 2008 Nixon Agnew. And terrible bs propaganda. How many phony scandals that are just total b*******. And the dupes still believe...
 
I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
The Supreme Court says I'm right, certainly none are unconstitutional.
 
I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
The Supreme Court says I'm right, certainly none are unconstitutional.
Oh really? In what decision did the supreme court say you have the right to a living wage, daycare, paid parental leave, and good vacations? etc.?
 
I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
The Supreme Court says I'm right, certainly none are unconstitutional.
Oh really? In what decision did the supreme court say you have the right to a living wage, daycare, paid parental leave, and good vacations? etc.?
I said the Supreme Court does not hold them to be unconstitutional. Not exactly the same butthead.
 
Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
The Supreme Court says I'm right, certainly none are unconstitutional.
Oh really? In what decision did the supreme court say you have the right to a living wage, daycare, paid parental leave, and good vacations? etc.?
I said the Supreme Court does not hold them to be unconstitutional. Not exactly the same butthead.
I guess that sounds just horrible eh? WTF is wrong with you goddamn people? It's like attack of the pod people...

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Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”
Spare us the commie propaganda. The depression occurred because of government meddling in the economy.,
 
Socialism is where business and industry is owned (communism) or regulated by the community...

"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...
People who want socialism don't understand the scope of that either.

So I'll expand

Socialism means the government owns every single factory in the country , every single farm and every single store, every single hospital, every single plane train and truck used to distribute goods every single bank every single printing press, every single TV and radio station etc etc
That is communism, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur ignoramus GOP Super Dupe. LOL. As opposed to always Democratic socialism everywhere but GOP dupe world... Join the 21st century...

Another one who doesn't know the definition of socialism

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Every Socialist Party in the modern world is democratic Fair capitalism. Marx was always wrong about everything but the plight of the proletariat, then the USSR turned out to be a scam too, neither Democratic in any way. The Cold War is over, it's time to let Socialists decide what socialists are and I don't mean communists!!!

Socialism by definition is the transition to communism.
 
Instead of stupid dictionary definitions, super duper, ask any socialist in any successful modern country. The definition used to say business and industry owned or regulated by the community. That would be owned in a communist country, and regulated in a socialist country. You are the stupidest voters in the modern world by far.... And brainwashed to boot.... Now our country is being run by Rush Limbaugh on Sean hannity, and the ridiculous orange clown. Try learning something.
"We are all socialists now"--Finland prime minister when ACA passed...

So dictionary definitions are stupid? Really?

Is that ALL definitions? Or just the ones that don't say what you want them to say?

This is the definition of 'socialism' from one of the most, respected dictionaries in the world - the Oxford Dictionary:

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun
  • 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'
socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries

So are they 'stupid' as well?
Yes or No, please?



Oh and who is it that I voted for that makes me 'stupid'?

Owned or regulated, communism or socialism? Any Republican ever.

I have never voted for a Rep (or a Dem) in my life.

And you dodged the obvious:

So dictionary definitions are stupid? Really?

Is that ALL definitions? Or just the ones that don't say what you want them to say?

This is the definition of 'socialism' from one of the most, respected dictionaries in the world - the Oxford Dictionary:

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun
  • 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'
socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries

So are they 'stupid' as well?
Yes or No, please?

This is an obvious strategy by Democrats to undermine criticism of socialism by undermining the meaning of the word itself.
Democratic socialism then, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur functional moron.
That's an oxymoron

When the government owns all means of production and distribution there can be no democracy
 
I don't even know what you're talkin about. The Constitution holds, what the hell is wrong with you. Even in a socialist United States, and to be barely socialist, all we need is Healthcare.

Really? Just healthcare? What about food? Housing? Clothing? Internet access? Cell phones?
To qualify as socialist, that is the opinion of socialists around the world it appears. But we are one hell of a ripoff by the rich GOP greedy idiots.... Our benefits suck. That is basically what's socialism is benefits that we deserve as workers. Living wage Health Care daycare paid parental leav good vacations good infrastructure etc.

Quote for me the section in the Constitution that guarantees you the right to any of that please. . . .
when the right wing shows us the war on crime, drugs, and terror clause.
 
Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
View attachment 245504 View attachment 245506 View attachment 245505

To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”
Spare us the commie propaganda. The depression occurred because of government meddling in the economy.,
Spare us your right wing appeals to ignorance. Capitalism is about Boom and Bust.
 
Socialism is where business and industry is owned (communism) or regulated by the community...

"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...
People who want socialism don't understand the scope of that either.

So I'll expand

Socialism means the government owns every single factory in the country , every single farm and every single store, every single hospital, every single plane train and truck used to distribute goods every single bank every single printing press, every single TV and radio station etc etc
That is communism, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur ignoramus GOP Super Dupe. LOL. As opposed to always Democratic socialism everywhere but GOP dupe world... Join the 21st century...

Another one who doesn't know the definition of socialism

socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Every Socialist Party in the modern world is democratic Fair capitalism. Marx was always wrong about everything but the plight of the proletariat, then the USSR turned out to be a scam too, neither Democratic in any way. The Cold War is over, it's time to let Socialists decide what socialists are and I don't mean communists!!!

Socialism by definition is the transition to communism.
it takes Morals, even the Religious are failing us.
 
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