Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[francoHFW]

Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

Shake their hand and pat them on the back!

/thread

Communism is not socialism, super duper. Join the real world of the 21st century... Ask berny or AOC or any socialists in the modern world.

 

[P@triot]

So you think Bernie Sanders is a communist? Doesn't matter go ahead whatever LOL

Yup. Let's see, he....

• wants to force socialism on the people (check)

• believes the people should be subservient to the state (check)

• believes that liberty and the constitution should be secondary to the "good" of the masses (check)

• believes that propaganda is ok if it achieves the goal (check)

• believes that law he creates does NOT apply to him (check)

He checks every box communism. But hey...don't let reality get in the way of your favorite ideology.

 

[francoHFW]

Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

Shake their hand and pat them on the back!

/thread

the only problem for the right wing is that capitalism is worse.

1929 ring any bells?

or this:

Savage capitalism that is, as practiced by the GOP. Deregulate and you get corrupt bubbles and busts and depressions see also 1989 2008

 

[dudmuck]

'Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...' ... JOIN IN - IT BLOWS! Just ask the people in Venezuela eating their pets to survive right now!

but what about norway?

 

[danielpalos]

So you think Bernie Sanders is a communist? Doesn't matter go ahead whatever LOL

Yup. Let's see, he....

• wants to force socialism on the people (check)

• believes the people should be subservient to the state (check)

• believes that liberty and the constitution should be secondary to the "good" of the masses (check)

• believes that propaganda is ok if it achieves the goal (check)

• believes that law he creates does NOT apply to him (check)

He checks every box communism. But hey...don't let reality get in the way of your favorite ideology.

gibberish. the Russians would have told us if that was true.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bernie Sanders is a Menshevik! Which will lead to Bolsheviks.

Only when the Bolsheviks have a violent revolution. Mensheviks were socialists who still believed in some democracy. Nobody with any brain at all is for communism or Bolsheviks, brainwashed Cold War dinosaur dingbat. Just something to scare the dupes with...

There is the joke about 'a moderate Muslim is a jihadi who is out of ammunition.'

The same applies to socialists and communists.....they are the same except for ammunition/revolution:


1. The Communists and their Marxist cousins, the Socialists,

have worked for revolution since the advent of the New Deal

twenty-one years ago by infiltrating government offices, , labor

unions, schools and colleges, churches, radio and television,

the movies, the publishing business.




2. In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica,

Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of

the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."



3. In The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels stated that

communist ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow

of all existing social conditions."




I teach you something new ever day, don't I, blanko.

ask anyone who calls himself a socialist in the modern world and they will tell you what I tell you that you are a brainwashed cold war dinosaur. Do you also believe that Nazis are socialists LOL? That is brand new crap... The dupes will believe anything...

As I've said many times, the definition of socialism has moved on, your professor Cole died in 1959 all your arguments come from the 30s or before, like I've been trying to tell you LOL

"...ask anyone..."


This is why your posts are our best source of greenhouse gases, while mine shine with brilliance: education and research.






"Do you also believe that Nazis are socialists ..."

Not only do i believe it.....the Nazis....nationalsocialists ......believed it too.



And, those Nazis gave credit to the Democrat Party as their model.
The Nazi Nuremberg Laws were taken nearly wholly from the Jim Crow Laws of the Democrat controlled South.

In “Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law ,” by James Whitman, he shows how the Nazis took the Democrats’ Jim Crow Laws, simply changed the word ‘black’ and inserted the word ‘Jew.’




And, the Nazis endorsed all of the programs of the Democrats/Liberals
Workers Welfare Programs:

In the best passage of Government largess, the Nazi regime fostered a purified liberal concept to enhance the living standard of German citizens across all segments of society. In order to stimulate the spirit of integrity, comradeship and happiness, Adolf Hitler fanned numerous programs and instituted strict rules for officials to carry them in eternal way.

a) Highly Subsidized International vacation trips.

b) Between 1933-1938 Strength through Joy (KDF) movement Organized 134,000 theater and concert events for 32 million people. 2 million people went on cruises and weekend trips and 11 million went on theater trips.

c) Nazis ensured that every citizen had a Radio.

d) 5 day week.

e) Free Public Health.

f) Trade Unions were banned. All workers had to join German labor Front. Strikes for higher wages were banned. People who refused to work were imprisoned. With fall in Inflation, purchasing power increased and wages actually fell.

g) Large factories had to provide rest areas, cafeterias, dressing rooms, even playing fields and swimming pools

h) They also banned "lock outs" for industries. No "reverse strikes"for them either.

LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Nazi Hitler Economic Social and Political Policies






Wanna thank me for your education, blanko?????

And that is their entire pseudosocialist agenda, but in actual fact it was a house of cards that was just preparing for war. It was financed by Jewish confiscations and confiscations from opponents and huge debt. The Nazis loved aristocrats and business executives unlike socialists, and Loved corporations unless they were Jewish or in opposition. They had to go to war because of the huge debt.

Let's review:

Yes....Nazis were socialists.

Yes.....Nazis learned from the Democrat Party

Yes.....the Nazis stood for every program the Liberals stand for


and....

American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism. “Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin, ....
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1223





Recognize yourself in that mirror, blanko?????

 

[P@triot]

No I get my economic philosophies from old movies.

Bwahahaha! Holy shit, he admits it. Leftists think Hollywood is a think-tank pumping out facts and policies in response to those facts. They have no idea it's fiction for entertainment.

 

[P@triot]

The Nazis loved aristocrats and business executives unlike socialists, and Loved corporations unless they were Jewish or in opposition.

I can't tell if you're a pathological lying troll or astoundingly ignorant of facts.

Nazi stood for National Socialists. Like all left-wing statists, Adolf Hitler preached subservience to the state and held national control of production in nearly all cases (with few exceptions).

 

[P@triot]

Or the Socialists who get elected in modern countries that are all totally for democracy fair capitalism and a good safety net

So tell me Franco...why are you incapable of being your own good "safety net"? Why are you incapable of purchasing health insurance, home insurance, auto insurance, etc. as a "safety net"? And why are you incapable of saving money as a "safety net"?

It's a fair question. Don't be dick. Stop with the snark. Tell us what makes you so helpless that you need government to perform the basic functions for you that every other fuck'n adult in the world has no problem doing on their own.

 

[boedicca]

'Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...' ... JOIN IN - IT BLOWS! Just ask the people in Venezuela eating their pets to survive right now!

but what about norway?

I love it how you Socialist loons always cry up Norway, which in reality is a tiny homogenous Petro State with a culture of shared resources due to the harsh climate in which its culture developed as a means of survival.

 

[P@triot]

BTW.....Hillary Clinton wrote something very similar to that in her college thesis.

So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil" and should be dealt with as a wild beast.

Sounds very much like the dictum of our modern Liberal, doesn't it.

Leftists believe that truth is inferior to feelings. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez admitted as much in a recent interview with Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes when she said (and I quote):

I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

See? Morally right (feelings) over precise, factual, semantically correct (truth).

Liberals See Truth as Subservient to Doctrine, Feelings

 

[danielpalos]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

 

[P@triot]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

Thrive

 

[P@triot]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

Solve all problems

 

[regent]

Of course, socialism is not communism. Because of our economic and political ignorance Americans have been subjected to a right-wing tactic of scare-word politics. McCarthy used the same tactics.
I wonder if Marx had used had used the word "Current Republicism" to describe the forerunner of communism would the Democrats have used it as a scare word?

 

[danielpalos]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

Thrive

How?

There are no true AnCaps to compare with.

 

[P@triot]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

Thrive

How?

By not being stifled by the stupidity and failure of socialism.

 

[francoHFW]

Or the Socialists who get elected in modern countries that are all totally for democracy fair capitalism and a good safety net

So tell me Franco...why are you incapable of being your own good "safety net"? Why are you incapable of purchasing health insurance, home insurance, auto insurance, etc. as a "safety net"? And why are you incapable of saving money as a "safety net"?

It's a fair question. Don't be dick. Stop with the snark. Tell us what makes you so helpless that you need government to perform the basic functions for you that every other fuck'n adult in the world has no problem doing on their own.

I'm fine I am retired happily thank you.You are brainwashed to the point that you think people arguing for civilization must be totally needy. Lots of people didn't have Healthcare before Obamacare that do now and still many don't. before that thank God for Democrats passing disability Social Security you name it. You Republicans are simply out of your mind and short-sighted. And now totally brainwashed you actually hate the unfortunate now. That's what they used to call people with problems, now they are criminals and totally lazy God knows what.... When actually they are you when you lose your paycheck for a while...

 

[danielpalos]

what can capitalism do without socialism?

Thrive

How?

By not being stifled by the stupidity and failure of socialism.

lol. There are no true AnCaps to compare with.

How does Capitalism function without the socialism of Government, government Authority, and a Government security apparatus?

 

[Geaux4it]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

Next you'll want our guns. Just like these others

-Geaux