TheGreatGatsby
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Watching Trump speak about immigration in Tucson now. He is very plain spoken; his stance is pretty undeniable. And he's mocking Cruz for being a Johnny-Come-Lately on the wall.
Lying about Cruz? Not shocking at all
He's not lying. He's saying Cruz is trying to make it an issue now whereas he hasn't been. I have no idea what he may have thought at one point; and that's sort of the point. Cruz was lying in the weeds waiting for candidates to picked off and make it to the final two and wait and see if Trump would f it up from there. The dude is a snake in the grass; nothing more.
. . . says the person who admits he didn't listen to any of the debates, because it would have been impossible to do so and not hear the things you say you never heard from Trump.
Ted Cruz authored an amicus brief to the Supreme Court in 2006 on the case of Lopez v Gonzales, advocating strict punishment of felons who enter the country illegally.
Ted Cruz introduced the Stop Amnesty Bill in 2012 to defund the Obama Administration's executive order granting amnesty to illegals under 30.
Ted Cruz, also in 2012, advocated tripling the size of the Border Patrol, opposed in-state tuition for illegals, the building of a border wall (although Cruz at least recognizes that there are places on the border which make it physically unfeasible and that border security requires a great deal more), advocated allowing police officers to question detainees on their immigration status (as Arizona does), rejected any "path to citizenship" for people in the country illegally, advocating instead that Congress use its power of the purse to stop any illegal executive orders in that direction from the President.
So no, Cruz is not the Johnny-Come-Lately on immigration. But wait. Where was Trump on the subject during that same time period?
When Trump had the Bonwit Teller building demolished to build Trump Tower, the work was done by illegal immigrants. Trump testified in court that "he didn't know anything about the hiring practices" of the subcontractors he paid for. It was alleged in that same court case that he, in fact, overlooked the hiring of illegals to bring the project in fast and under budget, and that his company threatened the illegals with deportation if they complained about conditions or the fact that they were subsequently not paid everything they were owed.
Workers on his Trump International Hotel, currently under construction, allege that much of the labor there is illegal immigrants. Trump again claims his defense is that he has no idea what the people who work for him are doing in relation to verifying legal status of workers.
Since 2006, his Mar-A-Lago Club in Florida has imported hundreds of foreign workers.
In 2012, following the election, Trump advocated a path to citizenship for illegals remarkably similar to Obama's plan.
The truth is, Trump only became hardline on immigration in 2015, and that just long enough to get the talking point out to his minions. He is now advocating "flexibility" and a "merit system" for allowing illegals to remain if they're good enough.
So you tell me: who's lying? Who's a Johnny-Come-Lately? Who's really trustworthy on this subject? And how in the hell can you be making assertions about EITHER candidate when you don't know any of this?
I never admitted that I haven't caught any of the debates. But I know what you're trying to cite, so I'll just call that an excusable error.
I have no doubt that Cruz has thrown his bones to the conservatives. But he's still big govt. as fuck. What do you honestly think you're going to get? Maybe tax rates not going through the roof? Health care will still be a mess. He ain't going to make that efficient. Oh, but a few Mexican criminals are in jail longer so let's give him a giant pat on the back.
Trump was a shrewd businessman. I'm sure you'll find plenty of blemishes on his record. But he's going to be shrewd for America now. He's right. We do sh** and don't get anything back. That needs to change. I'm not painting Trump as a good guy. Hell, when he says Saudi Arabia are good people, I know he's full of sh** and I have to wonder if he'll really not be putting a knife in our back at the end of the day. I'm saying he's different though and he'll finally change out some of this nonsense. Cruz is just another Bush. You can take that to the bank.