No Mr. President. No.

[WelfareQueen]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

 

[DOTR]

The idea is to combat the virus.

We don't need 6 trillion dollars to provide masks and medical services to the infected by the Corona virus.

People must go back to work, students to school and the government must spend one or two billions in medical means to avoid more deaths.

The closing of business and other extreme measures weren't never necessary.

It is time for corporations to recover by their own. If they fail, so be it. It won't be your fault but "the virus fault". I can bet they will recover anyways if the bill never passes.

Executive order for return back to normaility is seriously expected ASAP, and there is a hope of seeing Mrs. Pelosi breaking in pieces the papers with the proposed 6 trillion dollars "economic incentive".

Well said!

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

You don't tank the whole country into financial ruin for a decade because a small percentage might get sick and die..
Not if you're considering your fellow citizens, that is.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

You don't tank the whole country into financial ruin for a decade because a small percentage might get sick and die..
Not if you're considering your fellow citizens, that is.

One more knuckledragger vote for "Money" over "Life". Thank you for voting. Can I offer you a used handkerchief?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

 

[g5000]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

1001 now.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

 

[luchitociencia]

It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in.

Spreading faster is not a synonymous of being more dangerous, as you will see next.

I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic.

With those decades of experience you know already that if a person is healthy with no medical issues at all becomes attacked by the Flu, then this person will suffer of two miserable weeks and will require lots of attention. If the person has medical issues, then it is most possible he will die because the Flu.

However.

With a Corona virus attack on a healthy person, the symptoms are almost non noticeable and the person can continue with his regular life. Only the ones with weak health conditions might die because this virus.

When knowing that this Corona virus is "smart" to spread out fast but is not dangerous for healthy people, what is the hysteria then? Why shooting down business and schools?

I can understand that this extreme measures of isolation and closing of business were OK up to three weeks ago because ignorance about the low strength of the Corona virus, but now when it has been noticed that you just can't stop it and is not "Godzilla", then the continuation of same measures for more weeks is unacceptable.

 

[Pogo]

It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in.

Spreading faster is not a synonymous of being more dangerous, as you will see next.

I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic.

With those decades of experience you know already that if a person is healthy with no medical issues at all becomes attacked by the Flu, then this person will suffer of two miserable weeks and will require lots of attention. If the person has medical issues, then it is most possible he will die because the Flu.

However.

With a Corona virus attack on a healthy person, the symptoms are almost non noticeable and the person can continue with his regular life. Only the ones with weak health conditions might die because this virus.

When knowing that this Corona virus is "smart" to spread out fast but is not dangerous for healthy people, what is the hysteria then? Why shooting down business and schools?

I can understand that this extreme measures of isolation and closing of business were OK up to three weeks ago because ignorance about the low strength of the Corona virus, but now when it has been noticed that you just can't stop it and is not "Godzilla", then the continuation of same measures for more weeks is unacceptable.

Another poster ---- or is it the same one ---- failing to see the point about contagion/spreading of the virus who wants to deflect it to "symptoms".

 

[luchitociencia]

Another poster ---- or is it the same one ---- failing to see the point about contagion/spreading of the virus who wants to deflect it to "symptoms".

Look, it is raining hard and everybody is in open field exposed to get wet.

Your measures of "isolation" it's you trying to stay "dry" covering yourself from the rain with a cocktail umbrella... come on!

 

[WelfareQueen]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

I posted a link and tagged you that says 2. Regardless 2 or 2.5 in right in line with seasonal flu. Measles has a contagion factor of 18 to put your number in perspective.

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Any clues?

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

I posted a link and tagged you that says 2. Regardless 2 or 2.5 in right in line with seasonal flu. Measles has a contagion factor of 18 to put your number in perspective.

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Any clues?

Yep. Looka here.

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	85,268	+17,057	1,293	+266	1,864	82,111	2,122	258	4
China	81,285		3,287		74,051	3,947	1,235	56	2
Italy	80,589	+6,203	8,215	+712	10,361	62,013	3,612	1,333	136
Spain	57,786	+8,271	4,365	+718	7,015	46,406	3,166	1,236	93
Germany	43,938	+6,615	267	+61	5,673	37,998	23	524	3
Iran	29,406	+2,389	2,234	+157	10,457	16,715	2,746	350	27
France	29,155	+3,922	1,696	+365	4,948	22,511	3,375	447	26
Switzerland	11,811	+914	191	+38	131	11,489	141	1,365	22
UK	11,658	+2,129	578	+115	135	10,945	163	172	9

See that penultimate column on infection penetration, "Tot Cases/1M pop"? At 258?

This past Saturday that same number was 60. At the Ides of March it was 6.

You can also see the number under "New Cases" or note that we're leading the world, well ahead of China and Italy, in total cases, but I think the penetration number is the most significant due to how exponentially it's growing.

Add to this that the number of actually infected is an unknown, and that because up to half of those infected show no symptoms, they can and do spread contagion unwittingly, and it would be surprising if that rate were not happening as fast as it is.

And by the way we have a vaccine for Measles. For this we don't. And that's a YUGE difference maker when it comes to talking contagion.

 

[WelfareQueen]

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

I posted a link and tagged you that says 2. Regardless 2 or 2.5 in right in line with seasonal flu. Measles has a contagion factor of 18 to put your number in perspective.

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Any clues?

Yep. Looka here.

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	85,268	+17,057	1,293	+266	1,864	82,111	2,122	258	4
China	81,285		3,287		74,051	3,947	1,235	56	2
Italy	80,589	+6,203	8,215	+712	10,361	62,013	3,612	1,333	136
Spain	57,786	+8,271	4,365	+718	7,015	46,406	3,166	1,236	93
Germany	43,938	+6,615	267	+61	5,673	37,998	23	524	3
Iran	29,406	+2,389	2,234	+157	10,457	16,715	2,746	350	27
France	29,155	+3,922	1,696	+365	4,948	22,511	3,375	447	26
Switzerland	11,811	+914	191	+38	131	11,489	141	1,365	22
UK	11,658	+2,129	578	+115	135	10,945	163	172	9

See that penultimate column on infection penetration, "Tot Cases/1M pop"? At 258?

This past Saturday that same number was 60. At the Ides of March it was 6.

You can also see the number under "New Cases" or note that we're leading the world, well ahead of China and Italy, in total cases, but I think the penetration number is the most significant due to how exponentially it's growing.

Add to this that the number of actually infected is an unknown, and that because up to half of those infected show no symptoms, they can and do spread contagion unwittingly, and it would be surprising if that rate were not happening as fast as it is.

And by the way we have a vaccine for Measles. For this we don't. And that's a YUGE difference maker when it comes to talking contagion.

Those numbers are a tiny fraction of the impact of H1N1. You know this or should and yet you cannot bring yourself to admit it. H1N1 had up to 1 billion cases worldwide. Almost 300,000 died worldwide.

2009 swine flu pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My specific question was this: H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?


Care to try and answer again and maybe this time try and be honest. Covid-19 is a tiny fraction of H1N1 at this point. That cannot be argued. So why the mass hysteria this time?

 

[luchitociencia]

So why the mass hysteria this time?

I think is because the culture is changing to the borders of the absurd.

Decades ago schools were open in snowing days, today schools and lots of workplaces close for less than a 1/2 inch snow day.

Decades ago comedians made the best jokes of the era, today any joke is "offensive" and you can be sued.

The new culture of "care" has reached the most superfluous levels.

Everybody wants to be the "hero". I just watched on TV a "survivor of this virus" forming an online group "to help others". The whole thing starts to become a good show that is totally unnecessary when the advice and information has been provided already at great levels by the communication media. More "advice" from "survivors" is just another drop of water in the Ocean. Just a distraction.

In front of this virus, lots of people of all kind will take advantage favoring their own agenda.

The extreme measures have been imposed in a rush, when the best option was to go in accord to the severity of the damage, and 4 deaths per million people is not an alarming situation at all.

"Fast but not rush" is a common say to describe that we must act at the proper speed in front of an emergency but having capacity of "reasoning" while doing it. The current over reaction to the spread of this virus has caused unnecessary panic and the failing of the economy.

What is done is done. Lets see how the current mess is fixed.

So far, "rushing" again with approval of incentivizing trillions dollars packages is the new demonstration of "care".

 

[Pogo]

So why the mass hysteria this time?

I think is because the culture is changing to the borders of the absurd.

Decades ago schools were open in snowing days, today schools and lots of workplaces close for less than a 1/2 inch snow day.

Decades ago comedians made the best jokes of the era, today any joke is "offensive" and you can be sued.

The new culture of "care" has reached the most superfluous levels.

Everybody wants to be the "hero". I just watched on TV a "survivor of this virus" forming an online group "to help others". The whole thing starts to become a good show that is totally unnecessary when the advice and information has been provided already at great levels by the communication media. More "advice" from "survivors" is just another drop of water in the Ocean. Just a distraction.

In front of this virus, lots of people of all kind will take advantage favoring their own agenda.

The extreme measures have been imposed in a rush, when the best option was to go in accord to the severity of the damage, and 4 deaths per million people is not an alarming situation at all.

"Fast but not rush" is a common say to describe that we must act at the proper speed in front of an emergency but having capacity of "reasoning" while doing it. The current over reaction to the spread of this virus has caused unnecessary panic and the failing of the economy.

What is done is done. Lets see how the current mess is fixed.

So far, "rushing" again with approval of incentivizing trillions dollars packages is the new demonstration of "care".

You're ACTUALLY trying to make a case based on "what you saw on TV"?\

DISmissed

 

[Pogo]

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

I posted a link and tagged you that says 2. Regardless 2 or 2.5 in right in line with seasonal flu. Measles has a contagion factor of 18 to put your number in perspective.

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Any clues?

Yep. Looka here.

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	85,268	+17,057	1,293	+266	1,864	82,111	2,122	258	4
China	81,285		3,287		74,051	3,947	1,235	56	2
Italy	80,589	+6,203	8,215	+712	10,361	62,013	3,612	1,333	136
Spain	57,786	+8,271	4,365	+718	7,015	46,406	3,166	1,236	93
Germany	43,938	+6,615	267	+61	5,673	37,998	23	524	3
Iran	29,406	+2,389	2,234	+157	10,457	16,715	2,746	350	27
France	29,155	+3,922	1,696	+365	4,948	22,511	3,375	447	26
Switzerland	11,811	+914	191	+38	131	11,489	141	1,365	22
UK	11,658	+2,129	578	+115	135	10,945	163	172	9

See that penultimate column on infection penetration, "Tot Cases/1M pop"? At 258?

This past Saturday that same number was 60. At the Ides of March it was 6.

You can also see the number under "New Cases" or note that we're leading the world, well ahead of China and Italy, in total cases, but I think the penetration number is the most significant due to how exponentially it's growing.

Add to this that the number of actually infected is an unknown, and that because up to half of those infected show no symptoms, they can and do spread contagion unwittingly, and it would be surprising if that rate were not happening as fast as it is.

And by the way we have a vaccine for Measles. For this we don't. And that's a YUGE difference maker when it comes to talking contagion.

Those numbers are a tiny fraction of the impact of H1N1. You know this or should and yet you cannot bring yourself to admit it. H1N1 had up to 1 billion cases worldwide. Almost 300,000 died worldwide.

2009 swine flu pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My specific question was this: H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?


Care to try and answer again and maybe this time try and be honest. Covid-19 is a tiny fraction of H1N1 at this point. That cannot be argued. So why the mass hysteria this time?

Do I just need to put it in big bold fonts? Is that what you want? Are you hard of seeing? Or was the answer just inconvenient?

Because it's still gonna be the same answer. Watch this.

Here's (the relevant part of) my post from exactly two days ago, 48 hours, right down to the time mark. I put these here exactly so that they WILL show a time mark. These charts are always the then-current stats:

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
China	81,218	+47	3,281	+4	73,650	4,287	1,399	56	2
Italy	69,176		6,820		8,326	54,030	3,393	1,144	113
USA	60,653	+5,797	819	+39	387	59,447	1,307	183	2
Spain	47,610	+5,552	3,434	+443	5,367	38,809	2,636	1,018	73
Germany	35,740	+2,749	186	+27	3,540	32,014	23	427	2
Iran	27,017	+2,206	2,077	+143	9,625	15,315		322	25
France	22,304		1,100		3,281	17,923	2,516	342	17
Switzerland	10,537	+660	149	+27	131	10,257	141	1,217	17
S. Korea	9,137	+100	126	+6	3,730	5,281	59	178	2
UK	8,227	+150	433	+11	135	7,659	20	121	6

Now compare that with the current picture, 48 hours later:

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	93,329	+7,894	1,384	+89	2,424	89,521	2,432	282	4
Italy	86,498	+5,909	9,134	+919	10,950	66,414	3,732	1,431	151
China	81,340	+55	3,292	+5	74,588	3,460	1,034	57	2
Spain	64,059	+6,273	4,934	+569	9,357	49,768	4,165	1,370	106
Germany	49,344	+5,406	304	+37	5,673	43,367	23	589	4
Iran	32,332	+2,926	2,378	+144	11,133	18,821	2,893	385	28

Looks like ~33,000 NEW infections, double the rate of death/population, an increase of ~100 infection penetration. That's not a grand total, that's just forty-eight hours. You do understand what "forty-eight hours" means, right? Should I type is as forty-eight hours? See it now?

Now inasmuch as this topic is about pulling out all the stops on public safety, here are some sobering animated projections in map forms, and graphs, of what happens with stronger versus weaker versions of clicking one's shoes together and hoping it just goes away because money.

If the concept "forty-eight hours" is elusive, let's put it this way.

Thirty-three thousand NEW cases just in that period is more than Iran has recorded IN TOTAL. And Iran is one of the most infected countries. Get it now?

 

[harmonica]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

still not going to come near 45 MILLION flu cases and 61000 deaths
over reaction

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[NoNukes]

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Things are just getting started in the US.

 

[WelfareQueen]

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Yeah, no. POTUS can't do that. Governors shut the streets down, not Rump.
We can thank our lucky stars, however few we have left, for that.

Less than 700 people have died of the China virus in the U.S. as of today. Should that justify all that has been done in your opinion?

Actually it's 782 but that's how fast it's happening isn't it.

Deaths don't justify all that's being done. The potential does that. The potential for a pandemic to become so ubiquitous that there is no escape. You slow that down by denying it chances to spread. That's what's going on now. You don't isolate/separate people because you have X number dead. You do it because you don't want 100X, 1000X or 1000000X. Is it an adjustment? Bigly. Man up.

I worked in Healthcare for over 25 years including the last 7 in a big city ER. You don't know wtf you're talking about. It's the fucking flu. We have it every year. The ridiculous hysteria needs to stop.

Pffft. I worked in healthcare longer than that, so enough "now show me yours" crapola. Not interested. This is about logic --- what works and what doesn't. It is NOT the "fucking flu", for which we have vaccines, it's way more contagious (R0=2.5) and it IS expanding exponentially. And the counteraction to that, in the limited experience we have, is to shut down and shut in. I posted this before but here's how a town in Italy did it. They literally tested everybody, symptomatic or not, and found that there's a TON of spreading going on from carriers who show no symptoms at all. That means it could literally be anywhere, and you can't tell by testing only the symptomatic. That town got infected, I believe they reported the first death in that country, and then they got rid of it. We ignore lessons like that at our own peril.

I don't believe you. As for seasonal flu the vaccines often are not effective. They are pure guess work season to season. The contagion rate of Covid-19 is not 2.5 it is 2, identical to the seasonal flu.

The hysteria needs to stop.

Whelp --- I've got 2.5 and here's my link. Believe it.

More microbiology detail here if you're interested.

I posted a link and tagged you that says 2. Regardless 2 or 2.5 in right in line with seasonal flu. Measles has a contagion factor of 18 to put your number in perspective.

H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?

Any clues?

Yep. Looka here.

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	85,268	+17,057	1,293	+266	1,864	82,111	2,122	258	4
China	81,285		3,287		74,051	3,947	1,235	56	2
Italy	80,589	+6,203	8,215	+712	10,361	62,013	3,612	1,333	136
Spain	57,786	+8,271	4,365	+718	7,015	46,406	3,166	1,236	93
Germany	43,938	+6,615	267	+61	5,673	37,998	23	524	3
Iran	29,406	+2,389	2,234	+157	10,457	16,715	2,746	350	27
France	29,155	+3,922	1,696	+365	4,948	22,511	3,375	447	26
Switzerland	11,811	+914	191	+38	131	11,489	141	1,365	22
UK	11,658	+2,129	578	+115	135	10,945	163	172	9

See that penultimate column on infection penetration, "Tot Cases/1M pop"? At 258?

This past Saturday that same number was 60. At the Ides of March it was 6.

You can also see the number under "New Cases" or note that we're leading the world, well ahead of China and Italy, in total cases, but I think the penetration number is the most significant due to how exponentially it's growing.

Add to this that the number of actually infected is an unknown, and that because up to half of those infected show no symptoms, they can and do spread contagion unwittingly, and it would be surprising if that rate were not happening as fast as it is.

And by the way we have a vaccine for Measles. For this we don't. And that's a YUGE difference maker when it comes to talking contagion.

Those numbers are a tiny fraction of the impact of H1N1. You know this or should and yet you cannot bring yourself to admit it. H1N1 had up to 1 billion cases worldwide. Almost 300,000 died worldwide.

2009 swine flu pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My specific question was this: H1N1 killed 12,469 in the U.S. and 284,000 worldwide. There was no vaccine. Covid-19 is at 1200 in the U.S. and 23,000 worldwide currently. Why so much more hysteria in the current situation?


Care to try and answer again and maybe this time try and be honest. Covid-19 is a tiny fraction of H1N1 at this point. That cannot be argued. So why the mass hysteria this time?

Do I just need to put it in big bold fonts? Is that what you want? Are you hard of seeing? Or was the answer just inconvenient?

Because it's still gonna be the same answer. Watch this.

Here's (the relevant part of) my post from exactly two days ago, 48 hours, right down to the time mark. I put these here exactly so that they WILL show a time mark. These charts are always the then-current stats:

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
China	81,218	+47	3,281	+4	73,650	4,287	1,399	56	2
Italy	69,176		6,820		8,326	54,030	3,393	1,144	113
USA	60,653	+5,797	819	+39	387	59,447	1,307	183	2
Spain	47,610	+5,552	3,434	+443	5,367	38,809	2,636	1,018	73
Germany	35,740	+2,749	186	+27	3,540	32,014	23	427	2
Iran	27,017	+2,206	2,077	+143	9,625	15,315		322	25
France	22,304		1,100		3,281	17,923	2,516	342	17
Switzerland	10,537	+660	149	+27	131	10,257	141	1,217	17
S. Korea	9,137	+100	126	+6	3,730	5,281	59	178	2
UK	8,227	+150	433	+11	135	7,659	20	121	6

Now compare that with the current picture, 48 hours later:

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Tot Deaths/ 1M pop
USA	93,329	+7,894	1,384	+89	2,424	89,521	2,432	282	4
Italy	86,498	+5,909	9,134	+919	10,950	66,414	3,732	1,431	151
China	81,340	+55	3,292	+5	74,588	3,460	1,034	57	2
Spain	64,059	+6,273	4,934	+569	9,357	49,768	4,165	1,370	106
Germany	49,344	+5,406	304	+37	5,673	43,367	23	589	4
Iran	32,332	+2,926	2,378	+144	11,133	18,821	2,893	385	28

Looks like ~33,000 NEW infections, double the rate of death/population, an increase of ~100 infection penetration. That's not a grand total, that's just forty-eight hours. You do understand what "forty-eight hours" means, right? Should I type is as forty-eight hours? See it now?

Now inasmuch as this topic is about pulling out all the stops on public safety, here are some sobering animated projections in map forms, and graphs, of what happens with stronger versus weaker versions of clicking one's shoes together and hoping it just goes away because money.

If the concept "forty-eight hours" is elusive, let's put it this way.

Thirty-three thousand NEW cases just in that period is more than Iran has recorded IN TOTAL. And Iran is one of the most infected countries. Get it now?

H1N1 had a billion cases worldwide and almost 300,000 deaths. I have mentioned this three times now and you convienently ignore it. Why? I am making a simple comparison. I know you understand this and yet you keep avoiding the comparison which tells me all I need to know.

The hysteria is not justified and is in large part political. You are dismissed.