No One Has a Right to Health Care

[SmokeALib]

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Maybe the government should pay their way in med school, and then expect fair and good results in return, such as treating the sick on equal terms instead of using class warfare to determin who wins and who loses as based upon the services rendered, and all because of money. By qualification to keep down fraud, the government should also be willing to assist those who can't legitimately pay for vital services in which they may need from the health care industry... I think it does this, but it hasn't been doing such a good job just like it hadn't done in regards to the vets.... There is enough blame to go around for all, and it has to be fixed.

Hell, while we're at it, let's have the government flush our toilets and brush our teeth. Hell, maybe even make our coffee in the morning. That would be awesome.

 

[Political Junky]

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Maybe the government should pay their way in med school, and then expect fair and good results in return, such as treating the sick on equal terms instead of using class warfare to determin who wins and who loses as based upon the services rendered, and all because of money. By qualification to keep down fraud, the government should also be willing to assist those who can't legitimately pay for vital services in which they may need from the health care industry... I think it does this, but it hasn't been doing such a good job just like it hadn't done in regards to the vets.... There is enough blame to go around for all, and it has to be fixed.

Hell, while we're at it, let's have the government flush our toilets and brush our teeth. Hell, maybe even make our coffee in the morning. That would be awesome.

Obviously, you have no argument against it.

 

[Arianrhod]

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

According to dblack, they're "servicing" people. Makes you wonder...

 

[Dutch]

I have end stage renal disease, yearly dialysis costs for me to stay alive run between 70 to 80 thousand dollars a year. I was diagnosed and told that nothing I did caused this disease. Although only 40 years old I am on medicare and I am blessed that people like the OP are not running this country.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"No One Has a Right to Health Care"

No one of significance or consequence says one does.

Anyone who maintains such a thing is wrong.

But the Constitution does authorize Congress to enact any manner of healthcare legislation at the behest of the people, including a single-payer program such as Medicare.

Something doesn't need to be a 'right' for it to be the wise and appropriate thing to do.

 

[Katzndogz]

I wish medicare actually worked. Then I wouldn't be paying insurance and paying a doctor when I need one.

 

[Political Junky]

I wish medicare actually worked. Then I wouldn't be paying insurance and paying a doctor when I need one.

It works.

 

[Claudette]

The whole idea of "rights" has been thoroughly corrupted to the point that people actually buy the notion that a right means the taxpayers must provide something.

Yup. Loads of people have grown up thinking the Govt., i.e. the taxpayers of America, owe them for food, housing and medical care.

If anyone has ever read the Constitution you won't find the word Charity in it anywhere and I doubt the FF envisioned one class of people, the taxpaying class supporting the none taxpaying or freeloader class.

The FF were pretty damned smart and its not their fault that America has loads of freeloaders who feel someone else should bankroll their lives for em.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

So who is blocking access to healthcare? Nobody.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

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In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

That might be true if a President could pay off a debt. But as we all know, Presidents don't do that--Congress does that. Give credit where credit is due.

Presidents may not pay off the debt because it has been paid off only once, and Jackson seems to get the credit, not the Congrss. Do we ever blame Obama or other presidents for the debts caused during their administration?
The interesting thing is that no one ever questions how Jackson did it. The payoff had one unfortunate outcome, it caused a depression.

The leftists constantly blame Bush for our debt, blame Reagan for tripling our debt, but credit DumBama with the lowering of deficits even though that didn't take place until after we put Republicans back in charge. And dare anybody blame DumBama for the insane spending that took place once DumBama took office with a Democrat led Congress, they still blame Bush stating DumBama had to spend that money because of him.

 

[Mac1958]

Ok, I'll bite. First, I'll cash in mt food stamps. Then I'll go purchase a carton of cigarettes, a case of beer, maybe a dime bag as a booster. Stop by the store and grab a couple pizzas, go home to my hud subsidized dwelling. And consume all of it. No problem. Feeling kind of sick the next morning - head for the doc. He says my heart and liver are both shot. No problem. Responsible taxpayers will fund the bill. Get out of the hospital and start the process once again. What a country.

That's a cultural issue. If we want fewer lazy slobs, we have to go about the heavy lifting of inspiring them to stop being so lazy. I'd guess that would include with parenting and education.

But regarding health care, it's bad economics to let that person wait until he's in such bad shape that he has to eat up emergency/maintenance health care services without paying for them. Once that happens, you and I are paying for them anyway.

Effective preventive/diagnostic care along the way might avoid that, combined with an improved culture that does a much better job of instilling self-reliance.

There will always be stragglers, always. I just don't want to pay for their catastrophic care only.
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[RDD_1210]

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

So who is blocking access to healthcare? Nobody.

And who is blocking you from that Ferrari and yacht? No one, right? Just go get them. It's that simple. Right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

.

In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

That might be true if a President could pay off a debt. But as we all know, Presidents don't do that--Congress does that. Give credit where credit is due.

Presidents may not pay off the debt because it has been paid off only once, and Jackson seems to get the credit, not the Congrss. Do we ever blame Obama or other presidents for the debts caused during their administration?
The interesting thing is that no one ever questions how Jackson did it. The payoff had one unfortunate outcome, it caused a depression.

The leftists constantly blame Bush for our debt, blame Reagan for tripling our debt, but credit DumBama with the lowering of deficits even though that didn't take place until after we put Republicans back in charge. And dare anybody blame DumBama for the insane spending that took place once DumBama took office with a Democrat led Congress, they still blame Bush stating DumBama had to spend that money because of him.

Republicans were fully in charge in 2001 when Bush proceeded to bust the budget.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Rights are what we the People make them.

If you prefer a society where the individual's health is proportionate to his wealth, then say so.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay, so we end Medicaid and every other government program that to some degree gives people a right to healthcare regardless of their ability to pay.

How does that make America better? Be specific.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

So who is blocking access to healthcare? Nobody.

And who is blocking you from that Ferrari and yacht? No one, right? Just go get them. It's that simple. Right?

Society. I can't pay for that so you have to pay for it for me. OTherwise you're denying me my rights.

 

[The Rabbi]

Okay, so we end Medicaid and every other government program that to some degree gives people a right to healthcare regardless of their ability to pay.

How does that make America better? Be specific.

It will lower healthcare costs for everyone. Those in need will access private charities, funded in part by the savings from ending Medicaid.
BOOM.

 

[JoeB131]

No One Has a Right to Health Care

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And right after Jefferson talked about "rights", he went home and crushed him some slave pussy. Because clearly, it didn't apply to women of color who had the bad luck to be his property.

Okay, reality check. There are no rights. There are privileges we enjoy because the rest of society says, "Yeah, that sounds reasonable".

To most people, letting a poor child die of a treatable disease because her parents can't afford the treatment doesn't sound reasonable at all. So then the only real discussion becomes what is the best way to keep that from happening.

The rest of the world has already figured this out. single payer, taxpayers pay into a pool, government determines what health care providers should be paid for their services.

Only America has a bunch of dumb-ass libertarians who are being paid by Billionaire Sugar Daddies like the Koch Brothers who say things like "Free Markets", allowing insurance companies to loot the working class.

Which is why America spends 18% of it's GDP on health care, while most countries spend about 8-11%. And we get the results that are down there with third world countries.

 

[Seawytch]

I wish medicare actually worked. Then I wouldn't be paying insurance and paying a doctor when I need one.

It works.

Indeed it does. Is it expensive? Yes, very much so, but it's also very, very, VERY successful.

Medicare and Medicaid at 50: Successful, expensive

Widely supported by beneficiaries, the programs have been dramatically successful on many fronts: Medicare has extended health insurance to nearly all the elderly, and Medicaid provides vital prenatal and maternity care for almost half of U.S. births. Both programs have helped narrow the healthcare gap between rich and poor, and between whites and minorities. But the programs' size is also their biggest challenge.[...]

The right approach is to address the roots of the growing costs, but it's also a significantly harder course. A major factor is how many people the programs reach. The retirement of the baby boom generation is causing Medicare enrollment to increase by more than a third over the coming decade, even as the number of retirees with health benefits from a former employer drops. What's more, retirees are living longer. The number of people reaching their 90s is projected to quadruple by 2050. Medicaid costs, meanwhile, would shrink if more Americans were able to climb out of poverty and into higher-paying jobs. But two-thirds of Medicaid's costs stem from elderly or disabled Americans who can't work.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay, so we end Medicaid and every other government program that to some degree gives people a right to healthcare regardless of their ability to pay.

How does that make America better? Be specific.

It will lower healthcare costs for everyone. Those in need will access private charities, funded in part by the savings from ending Medicaid.
BOOM.

Where has that ever worked?