No One Has a Right to Health Care

[Soggy in NOLA]

I don't see it that way at all.

But then I'm not a bleeding heart who thinks its my duty to help everyone and spend tax dollars to do it.

Oh and if it were just your money being used I think your bleeding heart would die a quick death.

Wanting the sick to have medical care is now "bleeding heart"?

I guess it is

Yes, because we all know life before the ACA the sick were dying in the streets.

We still paid...just not very efficiently or effectively

Having people go to emergency rooms and padding your bill to pay for it is not an effective plan

Go to the ER, they're as busy as ever. And an aspirin still costs $10. The ACA has done nothing but drive up the cost of insurance, burdened employers with a mountain of new reporting and setup the average Joe to be taxed on employer provided insurance which now costs a fortune.

Very soon you;ll be paying taxes on non-monetary income.

What a racket.

I agree. My benefit costs have gone up by 60% in the last two years all because of the ACA.

Such a deal for working Americans. The only winners are those being subsidized with Medicaide.

Such a fucking deal.

To keep our group policy increase at around 40% we had to up the out-of-pocket to over $9,000... $9,000.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money. Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, foo

No. You the bleeding heart want to care for the less fortunate. Not We The People.

Seems your side does not elect people who support your view

Our nation is thankful for it

No. The thankful ones are the freeloaders who get paid by we the taxpayer.

No, those getting paid by we the taxpayer are not thankful, they scream for more and tell us we are not paying our fair share.
Want to see them become thankful? cut all benefits for a couple years and let them see what the productive are doing for them.

More of.... Our poor don't suffer enough

Most countries wouldn't consider our poor, poor at all.

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money to buy food, Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, and Medicaid why would anyone consider them "poor."

Poor Americans live better than most people in other countries. And the Dems just keep creating more of them every year.

 

[Claudette]

Read your constitution

We the people elect those who support our views. We the People want our government to care for the less fortunate

No. You the bleeding heart want to care for the less fortunate. Not We The People.

Seems your side does not elect people who support your view

Our nation is thankful for it

No. The thankful ones are the freeloaders who get paid by we the taxpayer.

No, those getting paid by we the taxpayer are not thankful, they scream for more and tell us we are not paying our fair share.
Want to see them become thankful? cut all benefits for a couple years and let them see what the productive are doing for them.

More of.... Our poor don't suffer enough

Most countries wouldn't consider our poor, poor at all and they sure as shit ain't suffering.

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money to buy food, Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, and Medicaid why would anyone consider them "poor."

 

[rightwinger]

No. You the bleeding heart want to care for the less fortunate. Not We The People.

Seems your side does not elect people who support your view

Our nation is thankful for it

No. The thankful ones are the freeloaders who get paid by we the taxpayer.

No, those getting paid by we the taxpayer are not thankful, they scream for more and tell us we are not paying our fair share.
Want to see them become thankful? cut all benefits for a couple years and let them see what the productive are doing for them.

More of.... Our poor don't suffer enough

Most countries wouldn't consider our poor, poor at all and they sure as shit ain't suffering.

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money to buy food, Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, and Medicaid why would anyone consider them "poor."

So is that what you consider suffering enough?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The DofE does not "run" education.

They mandate how it will be run by the States

And its Promote the GW, Not provide it.

1. They do not mandate how the States or local school boards operate. You are simply echoing propaganda. See the link here:

Policy - ED.gov

2. Wrong again. Once again you've taken the word of conservatives rather than the law itself:

General Welfare

What Is the U.S. Department of Education?


The U.S. Department of Education is the agency of the federal government that establishes policy for, administers and coordinates most federal assistance to education. It assists the president in executing his education policies for the nation and in implementing laws enacted by Congress. The Department's mission is to serve America's students-to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.

It sets the policies the State must follow. In effect it runs education for the country.


A general welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare.

Madison had it right.

According to James Madison, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare

Promote. Not provide.

Provide can promote

Helping the less fortunate promotes the General Welfare of the whole country

HELPING THE GENERAL WELFARE

Becoming and stay gainfully employed;

Be a good guardian of the constitution - don,t ask the berners and the socialists to ignore its provisos

.get ready to protect the constituion using deadly force if necessary in order to prevent anyone from perpetrating treason against the Constitution

"Become and stay gainfully employed"?

Do you ever think about a talking point like this?

Here's my take on this talking point:

• Unions unite people and aid in securing gainful employment
  • Conservatives oppose unions
• Minimum wage prevents exploitation of labor
  • Conservatives oppose a living wage
• Equal Pay, for equal work
  • Conservatives opposed the Equal Rights Act
• Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and OSHA protect employees now and in the future
  • Conservatives oppose each and everyone of them
• Affirmative Action & Job Corp allow for equal opportunity
  • Conservatives are opposed to both.

 

[Arianrhod]

It is our duty as determined by We the People

Flat out bullshit.

And thanks for your take on what I and every American should be responsible for.

Fool.

Read your constitution

We the people elect those who support our views. We the People want our government to care for the less fortunate

No. You the bleeding heart want to care for the less fortunate. Not We The People.

So "you the people" are only people with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for their own healthcare? Where does it say that in your constitution?

Look for it. I'm sure you will find it or something that lets you think you found it.

LMAO

Obviously you're a member of the ruling class in your imaginary country.

Someday you should visit the U.S.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They mandate how it will be run by the States

And its Promote the GW, Not provide it.

1. They do not mandate how the States or local school boards operate. You are simply echoing propaganda. See the link here:

Policy - ED.gov

2. Wrong again. Once again you've taken the word of conservatives rather than the law itself:

General Welfare

What Is the U.S. Department of Education?


The U.S. Department of Education is the agency of the federal government that establishes policy for, administers and coordinates most federal assistance to education. It assists the president in executing his education policies for the nation and in implementing laws enacted by Congress. The Department's mission is to serve America's students-to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.

It sets the policies the State must follow. In effect it runs education for the country.


A general welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare.

Madison had it right.

According to James Madison, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare

Promote. Not provide.

Provide can promote

Helping the less fortunate promotes the General Welfare of the whole country

HELPING THE GENERAL WELFARE

Becoming and stay gainfully employed;

Be a good guardian of the constitution - don,t ask the berners and the socialists to ignore its provisos

.get ready to protect the constituion using deadly force if necessary in order to prevent anyone from perpetrating treason against the Constitution

"Become and stay gainfully employed"?

Do you ever think about a talking point like this?

Here's my take on this talking point:

• Unions unite people and aid in securing gainful employment
  • Conservatives oppose unions
• Minimum wage prevents exploitation of labor
  • Conservatives oppose a living wage
• Equal Pay, for equal work
  • Conservatives opposed the Equal Rights Act
• Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and OSHA protect employees now and in the future
  • Conservatives oppose each and everyone of them
• Affirmative Action & Job Corp allow for equal opportunity
  • Conservatives are opposed to both.

* Unions are mostly responsible for chasing the jobs out of this country not to mention inflation.
Conservatives want to see the job loss stopped.

* Minimum wage also creates inflation and mostly applies to those not supporting themselves or their families.
Conservatives believe we don't need to screw up the rest of the country over 3% of our workforce.

*Equal pay for equal work was passed in 1963.
Conservatives realize this is nothing more than politics by the left.

*Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are broke or will be soon.
Conservatives realize failure when they see it.

*Affirmative action is nothing more than reverse discrimination.
Liberals are for discrimination and Republicans are against it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No. You the bleeding heart want to care for the less fortunate. Not We The People.

Seems your side does not elect people who support your view

Our nation is thankful for it

No. The thankful ones are the freeloaders who get paid by we the taxpayer.

No, those getting paid by we the taxpayer are not thankful, they scream for more and tell us we are not paying our fair share.
Want to see them become thankful? cut all benefits for a couple years and let them see what the productive are doing for them.

More of.... Our poor don't suffer enough

Most countries wouldn't consider our poor, poor at all and they sure as shit ain't suffering.

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money to buy food, Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, and Medicaid why would anyone consider them "poor."

I wonder if the poor in other countries have free cell phones with 250 anytime--anywhere minutes?

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't see it that way at all.

But then I'm not a bleeding heart who thinks its my duty to help everyone and spend tax dollars to do it.

Oh and if it were just your money being used I think your bleeding heart would die a quick death.

Wanting the sick to have medical care is now "bleeding heart"?

I guess it is

Yes, because we all know life before the ACA the sick were dying in the streets.

We still paid...just not very efficiently or effectively

Having people go to emergency rooms and padding your bill to pay for it is not an effective plan

Go to the ER, they're as busy as ever. And an aspirin still costs $10. The ACA has done nothing but drive up the cost of insurance, burdened employers with a mountain of new reporting and setup the average Joe to be taxed on employer provided insurance which now costs a fortune.

Very soon you;ll be paying taxes on non-monetary income.

What a racket.

I agree. My benefit costs have gone up by 60% in the last two years all because of the ACA.

Such a deal for working Americans. The only winners are those being subsidized with Medicaide.

Such a fucking deal.

Typical Democrat policy: take from the responsible and give to the irresponsible. Most irresponsible people vote Democrat.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

 

[rightwinger]

Seems your side does not elect people who support your view

Our nation is thankful for it

No. The thankful ones are the freeloaders who get paid by we the taxpayer.

No, those getting paid by we the taxpayer are not thankful, they scream for more and tell us we are not paying our fair share.
Want to see them become thankful? cut all benefits for a couple years and let them see what the productive are doing for them.

More of.... Our poor don't suffer enough

Most countries wouldn't consider our poor, poor at all and they sure as shit ain't suffering.

When you consider that our "POOR" have an EBT card full of money to buy food, Section 8 housing paid for by the taxpayer, and Medicaid why would anyone consider them "poor."

I wonder if the poor in other countries have free cell phones with 250 anytime--anywhere minutes?

Don't forget all the poor people driving Escallades

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't see it that way at all.

But then I'm not a bleeding heart who thinks its my duty to help everyone and spend tax dollars to do it.

Oh and if it were just your money being used I think your bleeding heart would die a quick death.

Wanting the sick to have medical care is now "bleeding heart"?

I guess it is

Nope making it sound like its our duty to provide it is.

It is our duty as determined by We the People

Flat out bullshit.

And thanks for your take on what I and every American should be responsible for.

Fool.

Read your constitution

We the people elect those who support our views. We the People want our government to care for the less fortunate

Now we are electing people that have the opposite opinion. You're okay with that too I'm sure.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

Will contribute, or forced to? Big difference.

If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, charity starts at home.

I see you post during working hours. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don't you do volunteer work at your local hospital? If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, do your part in providing that care.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

Will contribute, or forced to? Big difference.

If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, charity starts at home.

I see you post during working hours. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don't you do volunteer work at your local hospital? If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, do your part in providing that care.

maybe he is like me and quit his job, went back to college and started working a night shift somewhere?

 

[rightwinger]

Wanting the sick to have medical care is now "bleeding heart"?

I guess it is

Nope making it sound like its our duty to provide it is.

It is our duty as determined by We the People

Flat out bullshit.

And thanks for your take on what I and every American should be responsible for.

Fool.

Read your constitution

We the people elect those who support our views. We the People want our government to care for the less fortunate

Now we are electing people that have the opposite opinion. You're okay with that too I'm sure.

That's the way our society works isn't it?

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

Will contribute, or forced to? Big difference.

If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, charity starts at home.

I see you post during working hours. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don't you do volunteer work at your local hospital? If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, do your part in providing that care.

Are you forced to belong to our society?
You can leave any time you wish

However, I predict the society you join will do even more for healthcare

 

[dblack]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

Will contribute, or forced to? Big difference.

If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, charity starts at home.

I see you post during working hours. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don't you do volunteer work at your local hospital? If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, do your part in providing that care.

Are you forced to belong to our society?
You can leave any time you wish

However, I predict the society you join will do even more for healthcare

Ahh.. yes.. Obey or leave. The essence of the authoritarian mindset.

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone has a right to healthcare

Even the most callous conservatives would admit it. Now all we have to do is figure out the best way to ensure it. Other countries already have

If everyone has a right to healthcare, who is supposed to provide this right?

Those wo can afford it will contribute the best they can. Those who can't will receive assistance from We the People

Will contribute, or forced to? Big difference.

If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, charity starts at home.

I see you post during working hours. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don't you do volunteer work at your local hospital? If you think it's a right for people to have healthcare, do your part in providing that care.

Are you forced to belong to our society?
You can leave any time you wish

However, I predict the society you join will do even more for healthcare

Ahh.. yes.. Obey or leave. The essence of the authoritarian mindset.

The issue is "forced"
Nobody is "forced" to be an American

But if you accept being an American, you accept the decisions of We the People