Not All Conservatives Thrilled About Romney VP Pick

[Publius1787]

Paul "Ayn Rand" Ryan is a clever cajoler, but I know a snake-oil peddler when I see one. He is one.

And of all the tools to convey your assertion you choose Charles P. Pierce of Esquire magazine?

Duh, I got your drift the first time, Pubic. Are you pretending to be an enterlectural.

Of all the internet sources in the world you find the resident flaimer nobody in a mens magazine (An honest observation), post part of it in an op with absolutley no comment, and then expect people to read it and speak towards it's contents? I dont understand. Perhaps you can explain it to me? You want others to read it, I got that much. But do you really think conservatives were going to push through all the name calling and ad-homenims, or did you intend for this thread to be one giant liberal circle jerck where you can pat each other on the back, have a good laugh, and live worry free of reality and opposing opinions which might actually add something to the conversation or sharpen your skills/thoughts with?

 

[Avatar4321]

So is the writer of the OP article, and those agreeing with it, completely ignorant of the fact that Ryan is a member of the House, and all House members can propose budgets, as it's their responsibility, not the Presidents?

Or are you guys seriously that ignorant of the Constitution?

 

[Lakhota]

Nazi-Cons are simply trying to cloak their same ole "starve the beast" strategy they've been pushing since the 1970s.

"Starving the beast" is a fiscal-political strategy of American conservatives[1][2][3] to cut taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to create a fiscal budget crisis that is intended to force the federal government to reduce spending (rather than raise tax levels). The short and medium term effect of the strategy has increased United States public debt rather than reduced spending.

The term "beast" refers to the American government and the programs it funds, particularly social programs[4] such as welfare, Social Security, Medicare[3] and public schools; and does not usually refer to spending on military, law enforcement or prisons.

Starve the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lakhota]

Starving The Beast

The large tax cuts promoted by the right-wing are intentionally designed to force government to cut back severely on social spending.

For decades, a key goal of anti-government agenda conservatives has been to substantially cut spending on social and regulatory programs. But they have faced a difficult and tricky obstacle. Most Americans actually like these programs. As seen earlier, most of us would like to increase – not cut – spending on social programs like health care and education. And we greatly appreciate the job being done by regulatory agencies that protect the environment, consumers, and workers. So how can these valued programs be cut without invoking the wrath of the public?

The answer the Republicans found is to attack these programs indirectly. The weapon of choice? Tax cuts. The idea is simple: if we keep cutting taxes, eventually there won’t be enough money to spend on these programs and they will have to be reduced. If there simply is not enough money in the budget, even liberal supporters of these programs will have to reluctantly concede that cuts are necessary. Conservatives call this tactic “starving the beast.” Taxes are what nourish government. Take that source of nourishment away and government must inevitably shrink. For anti-tax advocates like Grover Norquist, this is the ultimate purpose of tax cuts: “The goal is reducing the size and scope of government by draining its lifeblood.”

More: Government is Good - Starving The Beast

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually, Ryan's plan allows people to keep medicare as is. They just would have options that give people control of their own health instead of leaving it to government control.Thus allowing us not to go bankrupt.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You just want to tax the American people 90%, so mommy government can give everyone a hand out off of her tit. You want the government handing out an equal piece of the pie to everyone. Your kind don't believe anyone should get ahead of anyone as that isn't fair within your eyes.

It doesn't work for long. Unless of course you charged it within a way to finally make it work?

 

[Care4all]

it'll cost $6000 MORE per person in out of pocket expenses vs Medicare is the estimate....

all he is doing is cutting everyones benefits and making you pay more for it and bankrupting the medicare system by taking funds out of it and giving it to the FOR PROFIT insurance companies.....

His plan is for making medicare as we know it, whither on the vine... the devil is in the details

 

[Lakhota]

it'll cost $6000 MORE per person in out of pocket expenses vs Medicare is the estimate....

all he is doing is cutting everyones benefits and making you pay more for it and bankrupting the medicare system by taking funds out of it and giving it to the FOR PROFIT insurance companies.....

His plan is for making medicare as we know it, whither on the vine... the devil is in the details

Exactly!

 

[Lakhota]

So is the writer of the OP article, and those agreeing with it, completely ignorant of the fact that Ryan is a member of the House, and all House members can propose budgets, as it's their responsibility, not the Presidents?

Or are you guys seriously that ignorant of the Constitution?

The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President's budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February.

United States budget process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Libbies are scared.

Funny stuff.

 

[Avatar4321]

Oh wow. a link showing that the House controls the budget. That really showed me.

 

[Publius1787]

By Ian Millhiser

In April of 2011, after Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan had been House Budget Chair for only a few months, he convinced nearly the entire House GOP caucus to vote for a laissez-faire budget resolution that would slash education, raise taxes on the middle class, and destroy Medicaid’s promise to provide health care to the most vulnerable Americans. Like his running mate Mitt Romney’s tax plan, the Ryan Plan also combined austerity for the poor and the middle class with large tax cuts for the rich.

The Ryan Plan that passed the House in 2011 is most famous, however, for its multiple step plan to phase out Medicare. Let us say that again so we are perfectly clear about what the Ryan Plan does to Medicare. It does not just “end Medicare as we know it” and it certainly does not “reform” Medicare.” The Ryan Plan simply ends Medicare, although it admittedly takes some time for it to achieve this goal.

More w/Chart (worth reading): Paul Ryan's Original Medicare Plan Ends Medicare, Period | ThinkProgress

Another thread from Lakhota. Click, Paste, avoid comenting, uh oh no one responded, bump, bump, bump.

 

[Lakhota]

Oh wow. a link showing that the House controls the budget. That really showed me.

Just pray on it. It'll be okay...

 

[Publius1787]

Americans don't believe GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney hit a home run with his choice of Paul Ryan as a running mate, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, with more of the public giving him lower marks than high ones.

Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, is seen as only a "fair" or "poor" choice by 42% of Americans vs. 39% who think he is an "excellent" or "pretty good" vice presidential choice.

More: USAT/Gallup Poll: Paul Ryan gets low marks for VP

Another cut and paste thread?

 

[Publius1787]

By Jennifer Bendery

WASHINGTON -- He's been in Congress for nearly 13 years, but Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has only seen two of his bills pass into law during that time.

Ryan, who Mitt Romney has tapped as his running mate, passed a bill into law in July 2000 that renames a post office in his district. Thanks to Ryan, the post office on 1818 Milton Ave. in Janesville, Wis., is now known as "Les Aspin Post Office Building."

The other time Ryan saw one of his bills become law was in December 2008, with legislation to change the way arrows (as in bows and arrows) are hit with an excise tax. Specifically, his bill amended the Internal Revenue Code to impose a 39-cent tax per arrow shaft, instead of a 12.4 percent tax on the sales price. The bill also "includes points suitable for use with arrows in the 11 percent excise tax on arrow parts and accessories."

Kevin Seifert, Ryan's congressional spokesman, did not respond to a request for comment.

Paul Ryan Only Passed 2 Bills Into Law In More Than A Decade

Are all of your threads cut and paste?

 

[Publius1787]

Starving The Beast

The large tax cuts promoted by the right-wing are intentionally designed to force government to cut back severely on social spending.

For decades, a key goal of anti-government agenda conservatives has been to substantially cut spending on social and regulatory programs. But they have faced a difficult and tricky obstacle. Most Americans actually like these programs. As seen earlier, most of us would like to increase – not cut – spending on social programs like health care and education. And we greatly appreciate the job being done by regulatory agencies that protect the environment, consumers, and workers. So how can these valued programs be cut without invoking the wrath of the public?

The answer the Republicans found is to attack these programs indirectly. The weapon of choice? Tax cuts. The idea is simple: if we keep cutting taxes, eventually there won’t be enough money to spend on these programs and they will have to be reduced. If there simply is not enough money in the budget, even liberal supporters of these programs will have to reluctantly concede that cuts are necessary. Conservatives call this tactic “starving the beast.” Taxes are what nourish government. Take that source of nourishment away and government must inevitably shrink. For anti-tax advocates like Grover Norquist, this is the ultimate purpose of tax cuts: “The goal is reducing the size and scope of government by draining its lifeblood.”

More: Government is Good - Starving The Beast

Two more non reply bumps to your own thread. Is anything you do original?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Oh wow. a link showing that the House controls the budget. That really showed me.

Just pray on it. It'll be okay...

Why won't the senate accept any of the house budgets?

 

[Publius1787]

Oh wow. a link showing that the House controls the budget. That really showed me.

Just pray on it. It'll be okay...

Why won't the senate accept any of the house budgets?

Because if they bring it to a floor vote the democrats will be forced to respond with an alternative budget and they know the American people will have the opertunity to compare the two. In other words, they will loose in the sphere of public opinion if they offer a budget of their own. The Republicans will offer a relativly thin budget that will begin to control the debt and the Democrats will offer a thick budget that will cost 3 times more than the republicans. If the Democrats offer a budget their chances in 2012 are dead. they dont want the American people to see what they have in store for them (Like Obamacare "We need to pass the bill so you can find out whats in it"). So they trash the republican budget, say the republicans have no ideas, and then fail to complete an idea of their own. But not before voting down the Presidents budget 99-0.

 

[Lakhota]

Oh wow. a link showing that the House controls the budget. That really showed me.

Just pray on it. It'll be okay...

Why won't the senate accept any of the house budget?

You mean the Paul "Ayn Rand" Ryan budget? Why won't the House vote on Obama's budget? They past Ryan's budget.

Parliamentary procedure: Why the Senate hasn't passed a budget | The Economist

 

[there4eyeM]

"He is like every other member of Congress--out for themselves!"

And they should all be 'out'!

Vote other!