Now corporations soon to have "freedom of religion"? Really?

[Vox]

If the court rules in favor of Hobby Lobby? All medical procedures would be subject to religious scrutiny by corporations.

Additionally, corporations could deny employment to people of different faiths.

It's a very dangerous case.

GOOD.

Medical procedures as abortion are in direct violation of the religious beliefs and should not be forced to be paid for by an employer.

You don't like the policy of the employer - you change the job.

You folks are funny.

The whole civil rights movement was about corporations denying the right of minorities to have access to goods.

It started at the Woolworth's lunch counter.

Corporations aren't entirely private either. They are in fact, given their status by government charter and enjoy a plethora of rights and services because of it.

For profits are obligated to follow the law. Not laws they like.

It is actually ia civil right issue - for the forced employer - in validation his/her BASIC human right for the freedom of religious beliefs and not to be forced by the government to act in the violation's of his/her beliefs.

 

[Sunshine]

Your argument is invalid.


Find one religion that is still active in the US that features human sacrifice. Regardless, we're talking about Hobby Lobby, Christianity, and contraceptives, not human sacrifice.

How about polygamy then?

Polygamists are perfectly free to marry as many times as they wish in the church that allows it, and the church is not fined or persecuted for it.

Subsequent marriages after the first won't be recognized by the state, but that isn't persecution, any more than it's persecution when the state fails to recognize queer marriage.

I worked at a big managed care organization that cared for the SPMI population. Of course, those lives are chaotic, and any marriage will be as well. But they still have the urge to marry and make their behavior 'right' in the eyes of God. Too often, they would break up leaving the one (usually the woman) who had lost her benefits homeless and pennyless. So, some of the SWs got together and cooked up a 'ceremony' for them which made them feel better about their relations, but didn't cost them their benefits, nor leave either of them with no resources if/when it didn't work out.

 

[Jughead]

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

knee replacement surgery is a necessary medical procedure, so it is indeed considered medical treatment. Viagra is not. I am very surprised that insurance companies cover Viagra under their medical plans.

Why is knee replacement necessary?

To try and alleviate the pain caused by worn knee cartilage. In many cases, the pain is unbearable, so surgery helps considerably.

 

[Sunshine]

Your argument is invalid.


Find one religion that is still active in the US that features human sacrifice. Regardless, we're talking about Hobby Lobby, Christianity, and contraceptives, not human sacrifice.

How about polygamy then?

Polygamists are perfectly free to marry as many times as they wish in the church that allows it, and the church is not fined or persecuted for it.

Subsequent marriages after the first won't be recognized by the state, but that isn't persecution, any more than it's persecution when the state fails to recognize queer marriage.

Oh but Amir needs to have SS bennies there for his 18 wives and 16 goats!

 

[koshergrl]

The goats are necessary because, as of today, it is still illegal to keep a stable of young boys...

But I'm sure our enlightened progressives are working hard to change that!

 

[Sallow]

GOOD.

Medical procedures as abortion are in direct violation of the religious beliefs and should not be forced to be paid for by an employer.

You don't like the policy of the employer - you change the job.

You folks are funny.

The whole civil rights movement was about corporations denying the right of minorities to have access to goods.

It started at the Woolworth's lunch counter.

Corporations aren't entirely private either. They are in fact, given their status by government charter and enjoy a plethora of rights and services because of it.

For profits are obligated to follow the law. Not laws they like.

It is actually ia civil right issue - for the forced employer - in validation his/her BASIC human right for the freedom of religious beliefs and not to be forced by the government to act in the violation's of his/her beliefs.

Scalia basically has already ruled on this. But given what a horrible justice he is, I can see him ruling against himself.

In any case..an entity like a "for profit" cannot force their religious views on the individuals they employ nor discriminate against people of different religions.

At present, that is the law.

 

[Vox]

You folks are funny.

The whole civil rights movement was about corporations denying the right of minorities to have access to goods.

It started at the Woolworth's lunch counter.

Corporations aren't entirely private either. They are in fact, given their status by government charter and enjoy a plethora of rights and services because of it.

For profits are obligated to follow the law. Not laws they like.

It is actually ia civil right issue - for the forced employer - in validation his/her BASIC human right for the freedom of religious beliefs and not to be forced by the government to act in the violation's of his/her beliefs.

Scalia basically has already ruled on this. But given what a horrible justice he is, I can see him ruling against himself.

In any case..an entity like a "for profit" cannot force their religious views on the individuals they employ nor discriminate against people of different religions.

At present, that is the law.

profit has absolutely nothing to do with the civil rights of the employer and don't lie - if anybody wants to impose their beliefs - it is the government which forces it's beliefs on the employer.

Healthcare paid for by employer is not a "right" at all, to start with.
So what is paid for and what is not - is the choice of the employer.

But you are a pro-choice only when the choice is for murder in utero, right?

 

[manifold]

Birth control is NOT medical treatment. it's a lifestyle choice.

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

Yes it can.

Your ignorance duly noted.

 

[koshergrl]

Arthritis of the knee isn't a choice.

So no, it can't, troll.

 

[boedicca]

knee replacement surgery is a necessary medical procedure, so it is indeed considered medical treatment. Viagra is not. I am very surprised that insurance companies cover Viagra under their medical plans.

Why is knee replacement necessary?

To try and alleviate the pain caused by worn knee cartilage. In many cases, the pain is unbearable, so surgery helps considerably.

Indeed. My dad's knee got mangled when he was in the Army. He was in chronic pain for years (bone on bone) - and finally got a knee replacement. It was medically necessary.

 

[Sallow]

It is actually ia civil right issue - for the forced employer - in validation his/her BASIC human right for the freedom of religious beliefs and not to be forced by the government to act in the violation's of his/her beliefs.

Scalia basically has already ruled on this. But given what a horrible justice he is, I can see him ruling against himself.

In any case..an entity like a "for profit" cannot force their religious views on the individuals they employ nor discriminate against people of different religions.

At present, that is the law.

profit has absolutely nothing to do with the civil rights of the employer and don't lie - if anybody wants to impose their beliefs - it is the government which forces it's beliefs on the employer.

Healthcare paid for by employer is not a "right" at all, to start with.
So what is paid for and what is not - is the choice of the employer.

But you are a pro-choice only when the choice is for murder in utero, right?

Well yeah.

It absolutely does.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

 

[manifold]

knee replacement surgery is a necessary medical procedure, so it is indeed considered medical treatment. Viagra is not. I am very surprised that insurance companies cover Viagra under their medical plans.

Why is knee replacement necessary?

To try and alleviate the pain caused by worn knee cartilage. In many cases, the pain is unbearable, so surgery helps considerably.

I never said there aren't good reasons for a knee replacement.

Of course there are good reasons, just like there is for birth control. Still doesn't make it necessary.

 

[Vox]

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

Yes it can.

Your ignorance duly noted.

yawn

healthcare benefit is not a right.
what is paid and what is not by employer - is his/her choice entirely.

and birth control is not medical treatment.

TKA is not a necessity in a single payer system - true.

But we are not there YET.

 

[manifold]

and birth control is not medical treatment.

Except according to real world definitions of course.

 

[Vox]

Scalia basically has already ruled on this. But given what a horrible justice he is, I can see him ruling against himself.

In any case..an entity like a "for profit" cannot force their religious views on the individuals they employ nor discriminate against people of different religions.

At present, that is the law.

profit has absolutely nothing to do with the civil rights of the employer and don't lie - if anybody wants to impose their beliefs - it is the government which forces it's beliefs on the employer.

Healthcare paid for by employer is not a "right" at all, to start with.
So what is paid for and what is not - is the choice of the employer.

But you are a pro-choice only when the choice is for murder in utero, right?

Well yeah.

It absolutely does.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

oh, I get it - only people on the government handouts have civil rights. Those who work for a living, give work to others and pay taxes so the bums can survive on the taxpayer's handouts - THOSE people do not have any civil rights.

well, maybe that's your utopian dream, but we are not there yet.

 

[Vox]

and birth control is not medical treatment.

Except according to real world definitions of course.

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

 

[manifold]

and birth control is not medical treatment.

Except according to real world definitions of course.

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

 

[Vox]

Contraception is not considered medical treatment even in a single payer system in Canada.

Or, maybe, we should look to the single payer systems and their restrictions of what is covered, to finally realize WHAT is medical treatment and in what medical heaven we live?

 

[Vox]

Except according to real world definitions of course.

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

Exactly. In a REAL world contraception is NOT a medical treatment.
Should I make it bold and red so you finally GET IT?

 

[koshergrl]

"the various methods or types of equipment that allow people to have sex without having children:"

birth control noun - definition in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online

I don't see the term "treatment" used there.