Now corporations soon to have "freedom of religion"? Really?

[koshergrl]

Except according to real world definitions of course.

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

So what is it used to treat?

Fertility?

Is fertility an illness?

 

[koshergrl]

Except according to real world definitions of course.

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

Even in the real world it isn't called treatment:

"Birth control, also known as contraception and fertility control, are methods or devices used to prevent pregnancy"

Birth control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Vox]

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

Even in the real world it isn't called treatment:

"Birth control, also known as contraception and fertility control, are methods or devices used to prevent pregnancy"

Birth control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess, the real shocker should be that it is not "for free" in Canada or UK

even a bigger shocker would be that a total knee replacement in those single payer system is NOT considered a medical necessity for people after certain age

there are many more hidden shockers which our ignorant brainwashed leftards don't expect to exist

However, our leftards consider pregnancy and childbearing to be an ILLNESS, an ABNORMALITY which has to be avoided at all costs, including murder in utero.

 

[manifold]

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

Exactly. In a REAL world contraception is NOT a medical treatment.
Should I make it bold and red so you finally GET IT?

who said anything about contraception gilligan?

got straw?

 

[manifold]

which consider birth control NOT a medical treatment.

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

So what is it used to treat?

Endometriosis, to name one example.

 

[Sallow]

profit has absolutely nothing to do with the civil rights of the employer and don't lie - if anybody wants to impose their beliefs - it is the government which forces it's beliefs on the employer.

Healthcare paid for by employer is not a "right" at all, to start with.
So what is paid for and what is not - is the choice of the employer.

But you are a pro-choice only when the choice is for murder in utero, right?

Well yeah.

It absolutely does.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

oh, I get it - only people on the government handouts have civil rights. Those who work for a living, give work to others and pay taxes so the bums can survive on the taxpayer's handouts - THOSE people do not have any civil rights.

well, maybe that's your utopian dream, but we are not there yet.

No..you don't get it and quite obviously.

There is a huge difference between a "For Profit" corporation and a "Not for Profit" religious organization. This case seeks to break that barrier.

It is a very dangerous barrier to break.

 

[koshergrl]

Sure, but in that case, it's not birth control.

 

[dblack]

The interpretation of the first amendment argued by Hobby Lobby, et.al, implies that opposition to a legal requirement based on mystical mumbo-jumbo is a protected right, but opposition based on rational thought isn't. How's that again? Does that seem right to you?

 

[manifold]

Sure, but in that case, it's not birth control.

Do you think Hobby Lobby is really going to care if given a special dispensation allowing them to deny coverage?

 

[koshergrl]

My primary thought at this moment is that you're full of shit.

 

[manifold]

translation: Allie knows I'm right

 

[koshergrl]

You're not right. You just had the floor wiped with your dumb face, and you're too dumb to know it.

 

[Vox]

Sure, but in that case, it's not birth control.

Do you think Hobby Lobby is really going to care if given a special dispensation allowing them to deny coverage?

government violation of the first Amendment right of the employer supersedes your definition of what you would like to be covered or not.

Insurance coverage by employer usually does not provide liposuction and cosmetic procedures - which are much more a medical treatment than birth control will ever be.

I have never seen you, leftards, jumping from your pants on that matter.

 

[Vox]

Well yeah.

It absolutely does.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

oh, I get it - only people on the government handouts have civil rights. Those who work for a living, give work to others and pay taxes so the bums can survive on the taxpayer's handouts - THOSE people do not have any civil rights.

well, maybe that's your utopian dream, but we are not there yet.

No..you don't get it and quite obviously.

There is a huge difference between a "For Profit" corporation and a "Not for Profit" religious organization. This case seeks to break that barrier.

It is a very dangerous barrier to break.

it has absolutely no relation to profit - AT ALL>

Government can not violate the employer's First Amendment right. Period.

And I am appalled that you are not in support of the employer covering the fat women's tummy slimming by liposuction - this is a real RIGHT

and a medical emergency - for some

 

[Sallow]

Sure, but in that case, it's not birth control.

Do you think Hobby Lobby is really going to care if given a special dispensation allowing them to deny coverage?

government violation of the first Amendment right of the employer supersedes your definition of what you would like to be covered or not.

Insurance coverage by employer usually does not provide liposuction and cosmetic procedures - which are much more a medical treatment than birth control will ever be.

I have never seen you, leftards, jumping from your pants on that matter.

Does making all sorts of unrelated arguments make you feel clever?

This is "kitchen sinking".

It would be laughed out of court.

 

[Vox]

Read that again gilligan, I said 'real' world.

How many other drugs that people need a prescription for do you consider outside the realm of medical treatment?

So what is it used to treat?

Endometriosis, to name one example.

Except it is not a birth control

It is a specific hormonal treatment.

Not a birth control pill.

 

[Vox]

Do you think Hobby Lobby is really going to care if given a special dispensation allowing them to deny coverage?

government violation of the first Amendment right of the employer supersedes your definition of what you would like to be covered or not.

Insurance coverage by employer usually does not provide liposuction and cosmetic procedures - which are much more a medical treatment than birth control will ever be.

I have never seen you, leftards, jumping from your pants on that matter.

Does making all sorts of unrelated arguments make you feel clever?

This is "kitchen sinking".

It would be laughed out of court.

well, you think your considering a lifestyle choice as medical treatment is clever.

It is not a medical treatment and has nothing to do with healthcare.

It is not covered in the single payer systems and will not be covered in American system as well - if the employer opts not to do it.

 

[Vox]

Well yeah.

It absolutely does.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

oh, I get it - only people on the government handouts have civil rights. Those who work for a living, give work to others and pay taxes so the bums can survive on the taxpayer's handouts - THOSE people do not have any civil rights.

well, maybe that's your utopian dream, but we are not there yet.

No..you don't get it and quite obviously.

There is a huge difference between a "For Profit" corporation and a "Not for Profit" religious organization. This case seeks to break that barrier.

It is a very dangerous barrier to break.

It does not matter.

Birth control is NOT healthcare - and you don;t get it, obviously.

 

[manifold]

Sure, but in that case, it's not birth control.

Do you think Hobby Lobby is really going to care if given a special dispensation allowing them to deny coverage?

government violation of the first Amendment right of the employer supersedes your definition of what you would like to be covered or not.

Insurance coverage by employer usually does not provide liposuction and cosmetic procedures - which are much more a medical treatment than birth control will ever be.

I have never seen you, leftards, jumping from your pants on that matter.

You're entitled to your own opinions, as fucked as they may be, but you don't get to make up your own facts.

Birth control is medical treatment, just like viagra and knee replacements are medical treatment. If your argument requires the denial of fact, your argument fails. Period.

 

[manifold]

So what is it used to treat?

Endometriosis, to name one example.

Except it is not a birth control

It is a specific hormonal treatment.

Not a birth control pill.

More factual inaccuracies from Vox!

Shocker!!!