Now corporations soon to have "freedom of religion"? Really?

[koshergrl]

"The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise."

Anti-christian fascists always forget that part.

 

[dblack]

It has made it this far because judges realize what morons like you don't....when you use the government to force churches to pay for things that they are diametrically opposed to religiously, the state is violating the constitution regarding freedom of religion.

That doesn't make any sense at all - certainly not as a general principle. Are you saying if I start a church that is religiously opposed to compulsive state government, we'd get a pass on following laws altogether? If so, I'm on it. We'll call it the "First Anarchist Assembly Church".

 

[Sallow]

It has made it this far because judges realize what morons like you don't....when you use the government to force churches to pay for things that they are diametrically opposed to religiously, the state is violating the constitution regarding freedom of religion.

Churches are non profit, don't pay taxes and are exempt from most of the provisions of the ACA.

Which puts squarely on display you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

This is about 'for profit' corporate entities.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm sure all the judges who keep moving this through the courts are just big dummies.

You should call them and set them straight, genius.

 

[dblack]

"The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise."

Anti-christian fascists always forget that part.

Yeah... that's to prevent laws attempting to ban specific practices in the name of religious persecution. It doesn't mean religions get a free pass to ignore laws that apply to everyone else.

 

[dblack]

I'm sure all the judges who keep moving this through the courts are just big dummies.

You should call them and set them straight, genius.

If you wanna send me a list of phone numbers, I'd be happy to.

 

[Vox]

Birth control is NOT medical treatment. it's a lifestyle choice.

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

 

[koshergrl]

"The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise."

Anti-christian fascists always forget that part.

Yeah... that's to prevent laws attempting to ban specific practices in the name of religious persecution. It doesn't mean religions get a free pass to ignore laws that apply to everyone else.

The judges disagree with you.

Specific practices/religious persecution include financial persecution, and ENACTING LAWS which force churches to act in ways that are in conflict with their religious beliefs.

The courts know this. It's funny that you guys don't.

 

[koshergrl]

Birth control is NOT medical treatment. it's a lifestyle choice.

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

Mani is pro-ignorance and anti-education.

 

[dblack]

"The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise."

Anti-christian fascists always forget that part.

Yeah... that's to prevent laws attempting to ban specific practices in the name of religious persecution. It doesn't mean religions get a free pass to ignore laws that apply to everyone else.

The judges disagree with you.

Heh.. it's happened before. Won't surprise me if it happens again.

They would be wrong, however.

 

[koshergrl]

Well, that's exactly the assumption I'm challenging. It's often stated in that way, but it doesn't make sense. If a church believes in human sacrifice, must they submit to laws requiring them to act contrary to their stated belief?

Your argument is invalid.


Find one religion that is still active in the US that features human sacrifice. Regardless, we're talking about Hobby Lobby, Christianity, and contraceptives, not human sacrifice.

How about polygamy then?

Polygamists are perfectly free to marry as many times as they wish in the church that allows it, and the church is not fined or persecuted for it.

Subsequent marriages after the first won't be recognized by the state, but that isn't persecution, any more than it's persecution when the state fails to recognize queer marriage.

 

[Vox]

Ah, trolling I see. Cute.

I am surprised you even got involved

an ignorant brainwashed idiot who considers birth control to be a medical necessity and compares it to a TKA is not worth a discussion.
the same straw argument are involved in the defense of the murder in utero.

 

[Sallow]

Birth control is NOT medical treatment. it's a lifestyle choice.

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

If the court rules in favor of Hobby Lobby? All medical procedures would be subject to religious scrutiny by corporations.

Additionally, corporations could deny employment to people of different faiths.

It's a very dangerous case.

 

[Vox]

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

Mani is pro-ignorance and anti-education.

and a pro-abort obviously. plus pro-straw man argument in defense of the murder in utero.

 

[Vox]

The same can be said about viagra and knee replacement surgery.

Should coverage for that be voluntary also?

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

If the court rules in favor of Hobby Lobby? All medical procedures would be subject to religious scrutiny by corporations.

Additionally, corporations could deny employment to people of different faiths.

It's a very dangerous case.

GOOD.

Medical procedures as abortion are in direct violation of the religious beliefs and should not be forced to be paid for by an employer.

You don't like the policy of the employer - you change the job.

it is funny how the "pro-choice" crowd is all for the "stay out of my bedroom" shriek until it is "but not in the case when somebody else has to PAY for my in and post the bedroom activities"

 

[Sallow]

Your argument is invalid.


Find one religion that is still active in the US that features human sacrifice. Regardless, we're talking about Hobby Lobby, Christianity, and contraceptives, not human sacrifice.

How about polygamy then?

Polygamists are perfectly free to marry as many times as they wish in the church that allows it, and the church is not fined or persecuted for it.

Subsequent marriages after the first won't be recognized by the state, but that isn't persecution, any more than it's persecution when the state fails to recognize queer marriage.

Polygamy is illegal in America.

Legal status of polygamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah... that's to prevent laws attempting to ban specific practices in the name of religious persecution. It doesn't mean religions get a free pass to ignore laws that apply to everyone else.

The judges disagree with you.

Heh.. it's happened before. Won't surprise me if it happens again.

They would be wrong, however.

Yes, I'm sure they would be.

What are your specific qualifications that give you superior understanding again?

 

[dblack]

The judges disagree with you.

Heh.. it's happened before. Won't surprise me if it happens again.

They would be wrong, however.

Yes, I'm sure they would be.

What are your specific qualifications that give you superior understanding again?

Unequaled wit and superior moral standing.

 

[Sallow]

Nope, it can't.

educate yourself before showing your ignorance to the world.

If the court rules in favor of Hobby Lobby? All medical procedures would be subject to religious scrutiny by corporations.

Additionally, corporations could deny employment to people of different faiths.

It's a very dangerous case.

GOOD.

Medical procedures as abortion are in direct violation of the religious beliefs and should not be forced to be paid for by an employer.

You don't like the policy of the employer - you change the job.

You folks are funny.

The whole civil rights movement was about corporations denying the right of minorities to have access to goods.

It started at the Woolworth's lunch counter.

Corporations aren't entirely private either. They are in fact, given their status by government charter and enjoy a plethora of rights and services because of it.

For profits are obligated to follow the law. Not laws they like.

 

[Vox]

Heh.. it's happened before. Won't surprise me if it happens again.

They would be wrong, however.

Yes, I'm sure they would be.

What are your specific qualifications that give you superior understanding again?

Unequaled wit and superior moral standing.

bwahahahaha

"superior moral standing" in a proabort, or without linguistic coverage - a murder supporter?