Obama is NOT a Good President. So Why Is He Winning With Independents?

[Conservative]

Not the ones you know? How many Mormons are there compared to the ones you know? You are using a broad stroke of the brush to paint a whole group of good people with your paint of ignorance.

If I got stung after picking up a scorpion, I'm not going to pick up other scorpions to figure out how often that happens.

scorpions are all the same. they act on instinct.

people are all different. One Mormon is not the same as the next. Nor one Christian, one Jew, one Muslim, one Hindu, etc. etc. etc.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Oookay. Ron Paul isn't getting more than 1% of the electorate.

Nobody cares.

Seriously, I don't know why I bother to talk to Paulites. Their irrationality is up there with religious people.

1% I think you need to redo that math again

Yeah, you're a whacked out fringe. Learn to deal with it.

OK Mr. I hate all Mormons

 

[dblack]

Which GOP supporters of any candidate are least likely to vote if they cannot bote for their man?

I'm guessing that Ron Paul's the supporters who are most likely not to vote if Ron Paul isn't the GOP candidate.

They obviously won't vote for Obama, and jusding from the venom many of them have for the other GOP candidates, thaI can see a lot of them just staying home.

And aI also suspect that many of Obama's former supporters have also lost faith in their candidate.

They would be another group of constitients who might, I think, take a pass on voting.


Will the numbers this time be larger than the following?

Obama received 365 electoral votes, and McCain 173. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively.

Exactly. The Republican old guard really, really wants libertarians to just fall in line and support the same old shit, but it's not going to happen. They can claim we're irrelevant all they want, but the vote count this fall will tell the tale.

What remains is for those who still value freedom, on both sides of the aisle, to turn away from Democrats and Republicans and take this country back. We're not there yet, but I see more and more people waking up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Because the GOP is running the Three Stooges +1

Some where a village is missing their idiot, I hope to send him back to them when obama is kicked out of the white house.

 

[JoeB131]

Not the ones you know? How many Mormons are there compared to the ones you know? You are using a broad stroke of the brush to paint a whole group of good people with your paint of ignorance.

If I got stung after picking up a scorpion, I'm not going to pick up other scorpions to figure out how often that happens.

scorpions are all the same. they act on instinct.

people are all different. One Mormon is not the same as the next. Nor one Christian, one Jew, one Muslim, one Hindu, etc. etc. etc.

Mormonism is a cult. Therefore, it is not like valid religions. In cults, you aren't allowed to have opinions the cult leaders don't have.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If I got stung after picking up a scorpion, I'm not going to pick up other scorpions to figure out how often that happens.

scorpions are all the same. they act on instinct.

people are all different. One Mormon is not the same as the next. Nor one Christian, one Jew, one Muslim, one Hindu, etc. etc. etc.

Mormonism is a cult. Therefore, it is not like valid religions. In cults, you aren't allowed to have opinions the cult leaders don't have.

Then you really don't know anything about Mormons

 

[JoeB131]

1% I think you need to redo that math again

Yeah, you're a whacked out fringe. Learn to deal with it.

OK Mr. I hate all Mormons

Sorry, man, you Ron Paul guys and the Mormons have one thing in common.

Your willingness to drink the koolaid.

I'll pass.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah, you're a whacked out fringe. Learn to deal with it.

OK Mr. I hate all Mormons

Sorry, man, you Ron Paul guys and the Mormons have one thing in common.

Your willingness to drink the koolaid.

I'll pass.

Speak on Mr. hate All Mormons

 

[JoeB131]

scorpions are all the same. they act on instinct.

people are all different. One Mormon is not the same as the next. Nor one Christian, one Jew, one Muslim, one Hindu, etc. etc. etc.

Mormonism is a cult. Therefore, it is not like valid religions. In cults, you aren't allowed to have opinions the cult leaders don't have.

Then you really don't know anything about Mormons

I know when I encountered them in 1983, what I saw left an impression that these people were just fucking scary and not to be trusted.

Nothing that's happened since, including watching Romney, has really altered that opinion.

And I'm not a guy who holds the same opinion forever. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the years. This isn't one of them.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Mormonism is a cult. Therefore, it is not like valid religions. In cults, you aren't allowed to have opinions the cult leaders don't have.

Then you really don't know anything about Mormons

I know when I encountered them in 1983, what I saw left an impression that these people were just fucking scary and not to be trusted.

Nothing that's happened since, including watching Romney, has really altered that opinion.

And I'm not a guy who holds the same opinion forever. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the years. This isn't one of them.

Dude I deal with Mormons all the time I go to their cannery to get bulk food stock they are good people. Stop drinking the kool aide.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Obama should lose in 2012. But he won't. If you want to know why Independents, who actually do decide the elections, are turning on the GOP, read the first page of this thread. When you call the folks that actually take the time to think about the issues weak and unprincipled, don't be surprised when you lose.

I'll take 1 independent voter over 100 partisans any day. There are a lot of folks posting in this thread that are easier than a cheap prom date. All you have to do to get their vote is put the right letter behind the candidate's name on the ballot. R or D, that's it.

 

[JoeB131]

Then you really don't know anything about Mormons

I know when I encountered them in 1983, what I saw left an impression that these people were just fucking scary and not to be trusted.

Nothing that's happened since, including watching Romney, has really altered that opinion.

And I'm not a guy who holds the same opinion forever. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the years. This isn't one of them.

Dude I deal with Mormons all the time I go to their cannery to get bulk food stock they are good people. Stop drinking the kool aide.

learn to spell. That would impress me.

Mormonism is a cult based on a lie by a pedophile. It deserves no respect and gets none from me.

 

[dblack]

I am repeating the slogan of anyone but obama, isn't that what it has been for the last year? Romney will get that vote and only that vote. Paul will get that vote plus the vote of his supporters. You do the math.

Okay. Look. I'm going to try this one more time.

RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS WERE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA TO START WITH.

That's certainly not a given. If Santorum is nominated, and has anything close to a realistic chance of winning, I'd seriously consider the lesser-of-two-evils logic and voting for Obama. I'm generally opposed to that kind of voting strategy, but Santorum is poison.

Let's be blunt, in the contests so far, Ron Paul has gotten all of 479,000 votes in this process. He's come in third or fourth place in almost every primary and hasn't come in first place in one.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Republican Vote Count

Not sure what delusions you live under. God, I hate to be the one to agree with Snarkey, but he's right. You have to get a guy most people can kind of go along with.

And that could be Romney, if no one pays attention to his crazy religion or his slimy business practices.

Joe, you're preoccupied with the notion of Ron Paul being elected president, and that's not the point. The large majority of the people supporting him know that's not going to happen. That's why we don't really care about his various personal weaknesses.

Ron Paul is exposing the insane hypocrisy that has engulfed our government. We're not going to come close to fixing things until people wake up to the fact that we're being played. In my view, the role of Ron Paul is to disrupt politics as usual, to lay the groundwork for real change in this country. I'll keep supporting him as long as he's making progress in that regard.

 

[Sallow]

I am repeating the slogan of anyone but obama, isn't that what it has been for the last year? Romney will get that vote and only that vote. Paul will get that vote plus the vote of his supporters. You do the math.

Okay. Look. I'm going to try this one more time.

RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS WERE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA TO START WITH.

That's certainly not a given. If Santorum is nominated, and has anything close to a realistic chance of winning, I'd seriously consider the lesser-of-two-evils logic and voting for Obama. I'm generally opposed to that kind of voting strategy, but Santorum is poison.

Let's be blunt, in the contests so far, Ron Paul has gotten all of 479,000 votes in this process. He's come in third or fourth place in almost every primary and hasn't come in first place in one.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Republican Vote Count

Not sure what delusions you live under. God, I hate to be the one to agree with Snarkey, but he's right. You have to get a guy most people can kind of go along with.

And that could be Romney, if no one pays attention to his crazy religion or his slimy business practices.

Joe, you're preoccupied with the notion of Ron Paul being elected president, and that's not the point. The large majority of the people supporting him know that's not going to happen. That's why we don't really care about his various personal weaknesses.

Ron Paul is exposing the insane hypocrisy that has engulfed our government. We're not going to come close to fixing things until people wake up to the fact that we're being played. In my view, the role of Ron Paul is to disrupt politics as usual, to lay the groundwork for real change in this country. I'll keep supporting him as long as he's making progress in that regard.

Except that he's "insanely hypocritical". He's as big government as the rest of them. You don't see him bowing out of congress after a couple of terms, do ya? And one way or another he brings home the bacon to his district. And he's a registered Republican. Not an registered Liberatarian..or even independent, like Bernie Sanders.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I am repeating the slogan of anyone but obama, isn't that what it has been for the last year? Romney will get that vote and only that vote. Paul will get that vote plus the vote of his supporters. You do the math.

Okay. Look. I'm going to try this one more time.

RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS WERE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA TO START WITH.

That's certainly not a given. If Santorum is nominated, and has anything close to a realistic chance of winning, I'd seriously consider the lesser-of-two-evils logic and voting for Obama. I'm generally opposed to that kind of voting strategy, but Santorum is poison.

Let's be blunt, in the contests so far, Ron Paul has gotten all of 479,000 votes in this process. He's come in third or fourth place in almost every primary and hasn't come in first place in one.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Republican Vote Count

Not sure what delusions you live under. God, I hate to be the one to agree with Snarkey, but he's right. You have to get a guy most people can kind of go along with.

And that could be Romney, if no one pays attention to his crazy religion or his slimy business practices.

Joe, you're preoccupied with the notion of Ron Paul being elected president, and that's not the point. The large majority of the people supporting him know that's not going to happen. That's why we don't really care about his various personal weaknesses.

Ron Paul is exposing the insane hypocrisy that has engulfed our government. We're not going to come close to fixing things until people wake up to the fact that we're being played. In my view, the role of Ron Paul is to disrupt politics as usual, to lay the groundwork for real change in this country. I'll keep supporting him as long as he's making progress in that regard.

Btw, this post right here is why I have a lot of respect for Paul voters.

Let's say Mitt is the nominee. You'll have on individual mandate candidate versus another. One liberal from a blue state versus another. Obama and Mitt are interchangeable down to their flaws. The only real difference is that D or R behind their name on the ballot.

I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that a vote for the GOP who practice borrow and spend policies is somehow more fiscally responsible than a vote for the Democrats, or that voting for either of the two parties that support the Patriot act in lockstep is a vote for liberty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I know when I encountered them in 1983, what I saw left an impression that these people were just fucking scary and not to be trusted.

Nothing that's happened since, including watching Romney, has really altered that opinion.

And I'm not a guy who holds the same opinion forever. I've changed my mind on a lot of things over the years. This isn't one of them.

Dude I deal with Mormons all the time I go to their cannery to get bulk food stock they are good people. Stop drinking the kool aide.

learn to spell. That would impress me.

Mormonism is a cult based on a lie by a pedophile. It deserves no respect and gets none from me.

Learn to spell? What the fuck is your problem nothing was misspelled

 

[Dragon]

"Barrack Obama is not a good president. This is the view of most Independents like myself and it infuriates Liberals and Democrats because they believe he is a great president."

If that's what he thinks, this blogger is a fool.

 

[Zander]

So you want him to socialise gas production?

Interesting...

What is interesting is that you believe the only way government can effect gasoline prices is by nationalizing.

So what do you think that Obama could do, short of nationalizing the oil industry, to lower gas prices?

Simple, allow more drilling and offer incentives for increased domestic production and domestic sales. We use 20 million bbls a day- and only produce 8 million bbls a day. If we increased domestic production to 20 million/day what do you think would happen to the price of oil?

 

[Conservative]

If I got stung after picking up a scorpion, I'm not going to pick up other scorpions to figure out how often that happens.

scorpions are all the same. they act on instinct.

people are all different. One Mormon is not the same as the next. Nor one Christian, one Jew, one Muslim, one Hindu, etc. etc. etc.

Mormonism is a cult. Therefore, it is not like valid religions. In cults, you aren't allowed to have opinions the cult leaders don't have.

people are all different. one black man is not the same as the next. Nor one white man, Native American, Indian, Lithuanian, etc etc etc.

 

[amrchaos]

The Independent's View: There's No Doubt: Obama is Not a Good President. Why He's Winning Independents Anyway

You are obviously a damn good Obama propagandists.

I remember saying many of the same things--except for the bailouts.

If you applied for DNC chairman this year, Debbie would be homeless!!