Obama: Vietnam Leader Ho Chi Minh Was Inspired by Founding Fathers

[Camp]

"absolutely not evidence" ? It's in every Vietnam history book printed. Common accepted knowledge that was discussed when we were in Vietnam. "Where exactly, did Minh claim he was inspire by Jefferson?", in a letter he wrote to President Truman, the same one he discussed with President Obama, which Obama mentioned, which started this whole debate.

If I pick up a history book from the USSR it will talk about how the economy was so bad in the US that old people had to eat cat food, what's your point?

I didn't say there is no evidence, I asked a specific poster what she was basing her assessment of the evidence on.

The point is that for over 65 years the FACT that Ho Chi Minh claimed he was inspired to form an independent Vietnam by the American Revolution and the founding fathers has been accepted without question or debate until the current leader of Vietnam brought this subject up to the current President of the United States by referencing an actual letter written by Ho to President Truman. When the current President mentioned this portion of his meeting with the leader of Vietnam to the press, which he was obligated to do, it suddenly became a debate. A nonsense debate. It's an argument and debate about a non issue. It's a prime example of how the the folks who make a living out of "riling up the base" make a living. They get attention and publicity and that is why they get paid for speaking engagements and quest appearances on TV news programs. The sad part is that it makes the whole conservative movement look stupid and like a bunch of suckers. Instead of pressing forward with issue's that can be won and obtained, time is wasted on this kind of dumb stuff.

 

[jasonnfree]

We were the ones that went down the wrong road by getting all up in Vietnam's business. We should have left them alone. If we had, then Minh may have chosen to be more conciliatory to his enemies. I believe he would have.

be that as it may, he had that opportunity, he didn't and before we 'got there'......

He was in fact a stone cold communist from the late 20's and ......

And my point. He could have chosen a different path...he didn't...He WAS a Communist and ultimately showed it. And I note certain people trying to shield Obama's Comments...Obama was wrong and doesn't have a clue...but then Obama's parents/Grandparents were Communists and well known to be...Obama agrees with Revisionist history...typical of ANY Statist dupe like Obama.

I keep hearing that Obama's parents were commies, marxists or whatever. Proves nothing. If your father was a democrat does that make you a democrat? Obama's done nothing to show that he's a ...depending on what right wingnut is posting, ... commie, marxist, progressive, liberal, muslim, I've seen all those terms used on obama on this right wing infested forum. To you people it's all the same. You get the terms mixed up depending on what whacko got you fired up listening to radio today.

 

[Darkwind]

But he turned into a murderer with his admiration...as it did with Pol Pot...History bears this out my friend...that is why the outrage by some regarding the O's comments and the comparison. The O is touting a murderer and likening him to our own Founders...there is no comparison...it's what you do with liberty that counts, Minh can roast in Hell.

Here is the problem. He was not likening them to our founding fathers. He was specifically addressing Minh's perception of America and our founding fathers. Yes, Minh turned into a brutal and savage killer of his own people. His evil has rarely been duplicated (thank the lord) and cannot be ignored.

However, it does not change the fact that prior to his going bat shit crazy and one of the worlds most brutal killers, he reached out to the United States because he admired our form of government.

In the end, that does not reflect upon us. It is just a historical fact.

And that's fine he reached out...in his effort to rid his country of the French...his problem? Communism.

Agreed. The phrench should not have been allowed to return, and our siding with them gave him little outlet for his ambition. So much so that he was willing to subjugate himself to Russia and then China. He was a bought man, with a modicum of power. To the worlds chagrin, he was permitted to exercise that power.

 

[bodecea]

WHOA!… Obama Links Founding Fathers to Communist Tyrant and Murderer Ho Chi Minh

by Jim Hoft
July 25, 2013

What did we do to deserve this?
We now have a sitting president linking our Founding Fathers to a Communist tyrant, murderer and enemy of America.
Unbelievable!

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Barack Obama believes communist and murderer Ho Chi Minh was influenced by our Founding Fathers.

Has Barack ever heard of the Killing Fields?

Bridget Johnson at the PJ Tatler reported:


President Obama hailed hard-core communist revolutionary Ho Chi Minh today as a pretty open guy who was actually inspired by the Founders.

Obama took a break from his jobs-pivot speeches to meet Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang at the White House. The pair held joint remarks in the Oval Office afterward.

Obama said their first bilateral meeting “represents the steady progression and strengthening of the relationship between our two countries.”

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WHOA!? Obama Links Founding Fathers to Communist Tyrant and Murderer Ho Chi Minh | The Gateway Pundit

Will Obama next claim he carries Mao Zedong's "Little Red Book" in his pocket rather than the Constitution?

Paul Harvey did a bit on that comparison over 30 decades ago.....so, your point?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"absolutely not evidence" ? It's in every Vietnam history book printed. Common accepted knowledge that was discussed when we were in Vietnam. "Where exactly, did Minh claim he was inspire by Jefferson?", in a letter he wrote to President Truman, the same one he discussed with President Obama, which Obama mentioned, which started this whole debate.

If I pick up a history book from the USSR it will talk about how the economy was so bad in the US that old people had to eat cat food, what's your point?

I didn't say there is no evidence, I asked a specific poster what she was basing her assessment of the evidence on.

The point is that for over 65 years the FACT that Ho Chi Minh claimed he was inspired to form an independent Vietnam by the American Revolution and the founding fathers has been accepted without question or debate until the current leader of Vietnam brought this subject up to the current President of the United States by referencing an actual letter written by Ho to President Truman. When the current President mentioned this portion of his meeting with the leader of Vietnam to the press, which he was obligated to do, it suddenly became a debate. A nonsense debate. It's an argument and debate about a non issue. It's a prime example of how the the folks who make a living out of "riling up the base" make a living. They get attention and publicity and that is why they get paid for speaking engagements and quest appearances on TV news programs. The sad part is that it makes the whole conservative movement look stupid and like a bunch of suckers. Instead of pressing forward with issue's that can be won and obtained, time is wasted on this kind of dumb stuff.

He didn't claim any such thin=g outside your imagination.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Wow, this is pretty fucked up?

Really a man that killed millions of people for wanting freedom=our founders.

It wasn't millions, it was actually trillions.

Considering that the whole population of the world as it stands today is around 7.6 billion, I'm wondering how a person could kill TRILLIONS (as in over 100 BILLION) when the world population isn't even that high now?

I'm guessing that around the time he was ruling, the population was more along the line of 5 billion (or even less).

Might wanna quit the hyperbole.

 

[ABikerSailor]

This is more "Progressive Propaganda Bullshit" that is trying to convince others just how bad the Founding Fathers were, and hoping more gullible people will drink the Kool-Aid and join their ranks.



America was designed by geniuses, and now it's being runned by idiots.

You're right..................America was designed by geniuses and is now being run by idiots.

Too bad so many of them are in the GOP.

Are you implying that the mess that our government is in currently is mostly because of the GOP?

Democraps are just as much to blame as well.

Actually, the mess that our government is in is mostly because of the fringe party of the GOP known as the Tea Party.

And the fact that Boehner is too much of a pussy to stand up to them, which is why he's going to lose his seat. As well as McConnell.

 

[Osomir]

And my point. He could have chosen a different path...he didn't...He WAS a Communist and ultimately showed it. And I note certain people trying to shield Obama's Comments...Obama was wrong and doesn't have a clue...but then Obama's parents/Grandparents were Communists and well known to be...Obama agrees with Revisionist history...typical of ANY Statist dupe like Obama.

That doesn't make him any less of a founding father for his country like George Washington was for us. Why care that he was a communist? It doesn't diminish his national historical significance for the country.

That's also just the way it was for many former colonies. Capitalism was often viewed by colonies as being related to the west, and to political repression and imperialism. Many colonies adopted an anti-capitalism stance upon independence. They saw capitalism as something that enslaved them under western rule. It's one reason why socialism was so big in Africa during the 60's and 70's as well.

 

[The T]

And my point. He could have chosen a different path...he didn't...He WAS a Communist and ultimately showed it. And I note certain people trying to shield Obama's Comments...Obama was wrong and doesn't have a clue...but then Obama's parents/Grandparents were Communists and well known to be...Obama agrees with Revisionist history...typical of ANY Statist dupe like Obama.

That doesn't make him any less of a founding father for his country like George Washington was for us. Why care that he was a communist? It doesn't diminish his national historical significance for the country.

That's also just the way it was for many former colonies. Capitalism was often viewed by colonies as being related to the west, and to political repression and imperialism. Many colonies adopted an anti-capitalism stance upon independence. They saw capitalism as something that enslaved them under western rule. It's one reason why socialism was so big in Africa during the 60's and 70's as well.

Q: What has Communism wrought for the human condition?

 

[JoeBlam]

Guy, it was a civil war that had nothing to do with us. Fact is, most vietnamese adored Ho and still do. Yeah, they are acting more like Capitalists now than Communists, but they still reverr the guy who drove out the French, Japanese and Americans.

This was not worth the people we lost over there. Now I know that some REAL Vietnam vets haven't gotten over themselves, but they need to.

You don't know any of us....the long and the short of it is you're a venal, lying, dirtbag coward. You know it, I know it, everybody around you knows it. Hopefully somebody who read what was written here had their opinion changed....you, I couldn't care less about.

 

[Osomir]

Q: What has Communism wrought for the human condition?

I don't particularly care for communism, but that doesn't change anything concerning the importance of Ho Chi Min as a nationalist leader and founding father for his country (two things he has in common with George Washington). Many nationalist leaders ended up being bad rulers, and the west were poor rulers over many colonies as well. Love him or hate him, he helped free his people from foreign rule and imperialism.

I'm not asking you to dance in the street over communism, I'm asking you to understand why it emerged there and why socialism was so popular in former colonies.

 

[JoeBlam]

That doesn't make him any less of a founding father for his country like George Washington was for us. Why care that he was a communist? It doesn't diminish his national historical significance for the country.

That's also just the way it was for many former colonies. Capitalism was often viewed by colonies as being related to the west, and to political repression and imperialism. Many colonies adopted an anti-capitalism stance upon independence. They saw capitalism as something that enslaved them under western rule. It's one reason why socialism was so big in Africa during the 60's and 70's as well.

Comic book history lesson from a humorless bookworm socialist....and racist to the core by claiming asians and africans aren't really capable of living in a free-enterprise system. Mutts like this try to turn the word "capitalism" into an epithet. Hard to imagine what branch of the "service" little Osomir served in to be muttering crap like this.

 

[Osomir]

Comic book history lesson from a humorless bookworm socialist....and racist to the core by claiming asians and africans aren't really capable of living in a free-enterprise system. Mutts like this try to turn the word "capitalism" into an epithet. Hard to imagine what branch of the "service" little Osomir served in to be muttering crap like this.

Where did I say that "asians and africans aren't really capable of living in a free-enterprise system"??

Link please? Or are you simply talking out of your ass again?

Also, I thought you were done with me? Couldn't stay away eh? I understand, I'm a pretty sexy man beast

 

[longknife]

The Libtards here will defend this massive pile of trip - why not? They believe this garbage.

As for the rest of us - yet another example of this SOBs true feelings about America.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, it was a civil war that had nothing to do with us. Fact is, most vietnamese adored Ho and still do. Yeah, they are acting more like Capitalists now than Communists, but they still reverr the guy who drove out the French, Japanese and Americans.

This was not worth the people we lost over there. Now I know that some REAL Vietnam vets haven't gotten over themselves, but they need to.

You don't know any of us....the long and the short of it is you're a venal, lying, dirtbag coward. You know it, I know it, everybody around you knows it. Hopefully somebody who read what was written here had their opinion changed....you, I couldn't care less about.

Guy, served with a lot of Vietnam vets when I was in. Most of them thought the war wasn't worth it, but it's not a soldier's place to question policy.

Here's the problem I think a lot of you Viet-Now whiners have. For you, the war was all about how you suffered. It was the worst six months of your life, I'm sure. (Well, someone else's life, anyway.)

The Vietnamese are the ones who had to live with bombed infrastructure, deforested land, carcinogens in the water, thousands of Amerasian babies we fathered on them (who are considered social outcasts) and so on.

Yet they aren't whining about it. They are willing to let money buy a lot of bygones and do business.

 

[JoeB131]

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Comic book history lesson from a humorless bookworm socialist....and racist to the core by claiming asians and africans aren't really capable of living in a free-enterprise system. Mutts like this try to turn the word "capitalism" into an epithet. Hard to imagine what branch of the "service" little Osomir served in to be muttering crap like this.

Captialism is an epitath. It actually only benefits very few people.

 

[JoeBlam]

You went there. You got your ass kicked. Get over it.

Not a very respectful way to address a Vietnam veteran.

Somehow I doubt he's a real Vietnam veteran...

When I first started with political boards, I ignored freaks like this one. The verdict had been passed on Vietnam.. We had supposedly "lost" the war and taught the country a lesson that should be remembered.....the military was no longer a tool to project American power. Our "progressives" had better uses for the money required...they were smarter than us, more enlightened, and while weak and indecisive physically and morally, considered themselves far superior to decide the human condition both here and abroad. Why bother with self-deluded idiots?

Baby Boomers who were catered to, their childish behavior either "understood" or ignored, are what's behind this deal. Those who were given everything by the WW2 generation thought the world was a no-strings-attached deal. Then along came Vietnam and all of a sudden there it was; deciding if the USA was worth defending. The reefer, the music, the easy sex seemed like a birthright but then there was a letter from Sam saying "Greetings".

The college kids held onto their 2S for dear life while us working guys had to go. Some of us wanted to go; it was expected of us, what the men in our families had always done. Those who didn't go know they missed their country's call and that haunts some of them. The rest aren't worth mentioning....they were never men, never will be. They'll call us liars, murderers, crazy, postal, suicidal, suckers, and on and on. When you see a maniac like Ho called a "nationalist" instead of a communist and see his Stalinist regime compared to the vision of American Founding Fathers, that's these haters talking, that's these shirkers talking, that's these losers talking. When you hear we "lost" in Vietnam, that's coming from the crowd that believes we can't win a war because they will not fight in one.

 

[JoeB131]

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When I first started with political boards, I ignored freaks like this one. The verdict had been passed on Vietnam.. We had supposedly "lost" the war and taught the country a lesson that should be remembered.....the military was no longer a tool to project American power. Our "progressives" had better uses for the money required...they were smarter than us, more enlightened, and while weak and indecisive physically and morally, considered themselves far superior to decide the human condition both here and abroad. Why bother with self-deluded idiots?

Baby Boomers who were catered to, their childish behavior either "understood" or ignored, are what's behind this deal. Those who were given everything by the WW2 generation thought the world was a no-strings-attached deal. Then along came Vietnam and all of a sudden there it was; deciding if the USA was worth defending. The reefer, the music, the easy sex seemed like a birthright but then there was a letter from Sam saying "Greetings".

The college kids held onto their 2S for dear life while us working guys had to go. Some of us wanted to go; it was expected of us, what the men in our families had always done. Those who didn't go know they missed their country's call and that haunts some of them. The rest aren't worth mentioning....they were never men, never will be. They'll call us liars, murderers, crazy, postal, suicidal, suckers, and on and on. When you see a maniac like Ho called a "nationalist" instead of a communist and see his Stalinist regime compared to the vision of American Founding Fathers, that's these haters talking, that's these shirkers talking, that's these losers talking. When you hear we "lost" in Vietnam, that's coming from the crowd that believes we can't win a war because they will not fight in one.

Guy, I served for 11 years. Six years active duty, five years as a reservist. (Not in that order).

Little to late for Vietnam.

But here's the thing. We were on the wrong side of history. Period. We allowed ourselves to get involved in a civil war and simply delayed the inevitable conclusion of it for 8 years. But the people we propped up didn't last a week after we stopped propping them up.

The "communists" won because they fought against the people who were abusing their countrymen. The guys we propped up were joining in the abusing.

Point is, we should keep the fuck out of other people's problems.

 

[JoeBlam]

Guy, served with a lot of Vietnam vets when I was in. Most of them thought the war wasn't worth it, but it's not a soldier's place to question policy.

Here's the problem I think a lot of you Viet-Now whiners have. For you, the war was all about how you suffered. It was the worst six months of your life, I'm sure. (Well, someone else's life, anyway.)

The Vietnamese are the ones who had to live with bombed infrastructure, deforested land, carcinogens in the water, thousands of Amerasian babies we fathered on them (who are considered social outcasts) and so on.

Yet they aren't whining about it. They are willing to let money buy a lot of bygones and do business.

"When you were in"? Listen shithead, you were never "in", I'd bet my life on it and could quickly prove it if you were worth another 5 minutes of my time...you are not. Our tour wasn't "6 months"....we did a year tour, USMC did 13 months. Nobody here or anywhere has ever heard me or any other combat Vet utter a word about "suffering". That word isn't in our vocabulary...nor is "PTSD", or "Agent Orange" or any of your other pet phrases. I despised draftees as a rule.....for the most part they were undisciplined and dangerous to be in the field with. But at least they stepped forward...you never did. And I was gone in late '68. What happened after that was hard to believe and I wanted no part of it. I returned to civilian life a little wild around the edges but smart enough to know how to leave it behind, as did most of the others. You will never know anything about Vietnam, about combat, about the brotherhood. You're not even a joke...you're just a bad smell.

 

[Osomir]

"When you were in"? Listen shithead, you were never "in", I'd bet my life on it and could quickly prove it if you were worth another 5 minutes of my time...you are not. Our tour wasn't "6 months"....we did a year tour, USMC did 13 months. Nobody here or anywhere has ever heard me or any other combat Vet utter a word about "suffering". That word isn't in our vocabulary...nor is "PTSD", or "Agent Orange" or any of your other pet phrases. I despised draftees as a rule.....for the most part they were undisciplined and dangerous to be in the field with. But at least they stepped forward...you never did. And I was gone in late '68. What happened after that was hard to believe and I wanted no part of it. I returned to civilian life a little wild around the edges but smart enough to know how to leave it behind, as did most of the others. You will never know anything about Vietnam, about combat, about the brotherhood. You're not even a joke...you're just a bad smell.

Pretty disrespectful to talk to a vet that way.