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I wonder if Michelle was ever the prom queen?
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I'm betting she was.
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I'm betting she was.
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The notion that people die because they don't have insurance is just a lefty lie meant to terrify people into supporting the health care act. It has no basis in truth. None. I challenge the idiot to provide one real example of someone who died from not having insurance.
People are not dying at home of treatable diseases because they don't have health care. It's not happening. This is right up there with saying "if you don't support this tax, old people will die!!! Children will suffer!!!"
It's just scare tactics.
Bullshit. Bullshit link, bullshit claim.
Code:Is there I pull out the SEIU videos and Van Jones remarks?
Difference being, I'm not making a claim of Treason.
That's a serious charge, boy.
Plotting to defeat your pet bill =/= treason.
Have your 4th grade Social Studies teacher explain it to you.
3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.
OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.
Wow! You do realize that everyone dies? Sooner or later, we all take a dirt nap.
The notion that people die because they don't have insurance is just a lefty lie meant to terrify people into supporting the health care act. It has no basis in truth. None. I challenge the idiot to provide one real example of someone who died from not having insurance.
People are not dying at home of treatable diseases because they don't have health care. It's not happening. This is right up there with saying "if you don't support this tax, old people will die!!! Children will suffer!!!"
It's just scare tactics.
WOW, the right wing mind is something to behold. You really can't be THAT fucking stupid, are you koshergrl. Please tell me you are 5 years old.
Deaths preventable in the U.S. by improvements in use of clinical preventive services
For example, the all-cause model predicted that every 10% increase in hypertension treatment would lead to an additional 14,000 deaths prevented and every 10% increase in treatment of elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol or aspirin prophylaxis would lead to 8000 deaths prevented in those aged <80 years, per year. Overall, the models suggest that optimal use of all of these interventions could prevent 50,000-100,000 deaths per year in those aged <80 years and 25,000-40,000 deaths per year in those aged <65 years.
CONCLUSIONS:
Substantial improvements in population health are achievable through greater use of a small number of preventive services. Healthcare systems should maximize use of these services.
2010 American Journal of Preventive Medicine. All rights reserved.
Quote the part in that abstract that says that people die from not having insurance, you liar.
Code:3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.
OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.
Wow! You do realize that everyone dies? Sooner or later, we all take a dirt nap.
The "stat" claiming 45000 people die very year due to lack of insurance is bogus. People demanding the destruction of our health care system and insisting we must remake it into another copy of a mediocre one are either intentional liars or total ignoramuses. And repeating lying ass made up stats deliberately tailored to suit a poltical agenda.
What proponents don't tell you is while the number of people going without insurance is fairly constant - it isn't the very same people going without it! To listen to them you envision the same desperately ill people crawling helplessly in the street year after year, all their lives -seeking treatment only to be kicked in the teeth untl they finally croak right there in the street. Except it is phony. 65% of those without insurance at any given time will have it within three months and 85% will have it within 6 months and close to 95% by 12 months. Those who are without insurance at any given time are not CHRONICALLY without insurance and are NOT the same people. It is a TEMPORARY problem for the overwhelming vast majority. So it's hard to claim those going without insurance for an average few MONTHS are DYING by the tens of thousands every year for lack of medical care due to lack of insurance - but lets pretend it's true anyway and repeat lying ass bullshit like that because it plays better than the truth. People are NOT dying by the tens of thousands every year because of no insurance- it's a fabricated nonexistent "stat" constructed and based on our yearly morality rates (death is inevitable) where a completely arbitrary percent were just magically deemed to have occurred for lack of insurance. It is completely and falsely fabricated by POLITICAL IDEOLOGUES, not based on FACT.
Of the remaining 15% without insurance at any given time, the vast majority are young, healthy single people with no dependents for whom going without insurance can be a sound financial decision. Yeah the left doesn't want to acknowledge that one but it's true - going without insurance can be a sound financial decision during this period of life. This group seeks health insurance as their situation changes with marriage and dependent children - the same way they don't bother buying life insurance until that point either. These are the people Pelosi insulted and called "freeloaders" as if they are getting medical care for "free" when in fact these are people who don't even access the system at all because they don't need it. THIS is actually the target group by the left trying to FORCE them to buy insurance against their will - young, healthy people who don't need medical care and don't seek it but whose MONEY is needed to help prop up the mediocre, unsustainable system the left desperately seeks to impose on us all.
And also never mentioned are those who are financially well off and refuse to buy insurance and thereby turn over control of their health and their medical decisions to a third party - AS IS THEIR RIGHT. They are the minority of those going without insurance but NOT an insignificant number. Insurance is a BET that they can get you to pay more for your medical care indirectly than you would voluntarily choose to pay if you had just paid for it yourself directly in the first place. It is a bet they make sure they win. Whether it is a private insurer or government.
The other major deception the proponents are playing is the idiotic claim that insurance equals quality medical care! Insurance does NOT guarantee QUALITY and in fact with government controlled systems, guarantees mediocrity at best. AT BEST. Insurance is not quality care and is total bullshit pretending otherwise and provably so- just look at the UK. They created an unsustainable system and in order to stave off its collapse a little longer are denying medical care and treatment to the very people who NEED it while rewarding and encouraging the over utilization of the system by those who don't need it. This forces the ill to wait even longer for treatment, their condition worsens, becomes more difficult to treat or changes from treatable to resistant and even to incurable. The people suffering under Britain's system are the SICK. As a result their morbidity and mortality rates for diseases and conditions that are still dropping in this country- have reversed and are RISING- for high blood pressure, all sorts of cancers including breast and prostate, stroke, diabetes etc., etc., etc. It is shocking and undeniable. Britain's system is PROVABLY not making their people healthier but SICKER and is responsible for KILLING thousands every year now. Killed by their own government given the power to put a dollar value on the lives of its citizens and then FORCE them to accept that. No matter what value the individual places on their OWN life. Under their system the true owner of that life is no longer the individual but the government. Not even touching the disaster north of us people like to pretend is working well when in fact it's unsustainability is already undeniably clear. It doesn't take long for government to realize treating sick people is far more costly than "treating" healthy people wo don't need it. Therefore the cost cutters go after them and it is the SICK who will be denied treatment. As is already happening in the UK- and denied treatment even if it shortens their life and damages their quality of life. Yet the entire point of the medical system is to restore SICK people to as near normal as possible and improve their quality of life when it can't. Because THAT is what TRUE compassion, care and concern for others REALLY looks like!
Obama made no bones about the fact he wanted to fundamentally change our system from one that existed for the benefit of sick people- to one that existed for the benefit of healthy people in order to keep them healthy. Doesnt get any more blatant about the system he wants and who will REALLY suffer the most for it. The very people who NEED it because the left wants to make its existence for the benefit of those who dont need it. Because "treating" healthy people is a hell of a lot cheaper than treating SICK people! So the left lies and insists if healthy people flood the system when they don't NEED medical care -it will magically keep them healthy. Except preventative health care is a provable colossal waste of precious resources and seeing a doctor when healthy will NOT keep you healthy. Not an opinion on that- it's FACT and it is one the left is fully aware of but doesn't give a shit and will never let get in their way. What the left is pushing has nothing to do with any "concern" for people, much less sick people. It is just another means the left uses to wrest power and rights from individuals and turn it over to the massive, all powerful government in total control of every aspect of our lives they bust their asses to see inflicted on us all. The left BURNS with a hot desire to control and run YOUR life as they see fit-not as YOU see fit. If government controls your medical care, it controls YOU - and as Brits have found out, that means forcing them to die an early death once government decides they just aren't worth it to "allow" them medical treatment, even if it is curative. You will end up paying more than 8 times what you would have if you had voluntarily paid it out of pocket in the first place instead of indirectly -all so you can see a doctor to tell you that cold will go away by itself in 10 days but to be denied medical treatment when you NEED it the most most. Screw that hip replacement for your 72 year mom even if it means she will be forced to forfeit her mobility and independence, forced to live out the rest of her life in a wheelchair and even though it will provably shorten her life expectancy by years. Forced to die years early and forced to be necessarily miserable the entire time. THAT is what passes for "compassion" by the left. But console yourself and pat yourself on the back for the glorious system where government saved money by forcing your mom to die years earlier than she would have and forced her to endure a far, far worse quality of life until she did. Because people who spent decades contributing to the system and now no longer contributing should just DIE anyway as the useless people the left considers them to be. THAT is the real point of the system the left seeks to inflict on us all in the first place. Weed out the handicapped, disabled, brain damaged, the unwanted, the ill, elderly and kick them off the planet. The left always insists they are the true owners and reserve the right to dispose of those they view as trash - and old, sick people are just trash who the sooner they die, the more money for the healthy. The most MURDEROUS and deadly regimes that pose the greatest threat to its own citizens- are always leftist. Always- and One way or another playing god with your life is the power the left lusts after.
Our poor receive free medical care courtesy of taxpayers. It is excessively costly and inefficiently run, rife with a level of fraud and waste that doesn't exist to that extent with private insurance - and not at all when the consumer pays directly for the service instead of indirectly. A system where the average claim filed by doctors and hospitals is automatically rejected an average five times just to discourage filing at all and delay the outlay of money by cash strapped government with many not bothering to file at all and just eat the cost and now increasingly refuse to accept Medicaid patients BECAUSE of that crappy stunt cheating doctors and hospitals out of timely payments. Government will try to gyp doctors and hospitals out of a timely compensation no matter what hardship it inflicts on them to meet overhead costs. It is this very system the left is trying to expand and impose on us all, it is the destruction of private health insurance and people herded onto the Medicaid rolls. But SURE- putting millions MORE into the system will MAGICALLY turn our entire system into unicorn tears and rainbows! Right.
I DID back them up. Have mommy read them to you cowboy.
Need MORE?
HERE is the former executive VP head of public relations for CIGNA, one on the largest insurance companies in the country Wendell Potter, exposing Republicans parroting Frank Luntz talking points that were scripted to defeat health care reform.
Is there I pull out the SEIU videos and Van Jones remarks?
Difference being, I'm not making a claim of Treason.
That's a serious charge, boy.
Plotting to defeat your pet bill =/= treason.
Have your 4th grade Social Studies teacher explain it to you.
3,000 Americans were killed by terrorist on 911. 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care.
OK, then Republicans are terrorists. Glad we can agree cowpoke.
Word bound = honest, you scum. You provide a link that is supposed to support your statement that lack of insurance kills people..
Your link doesn't come even close to that. It's just garbage that says preventative medicine could help.
People WITH insurance don't utilize preventative medicine, so stop with your dishonest twaddle and pick up your goosestep, propagandist.
Link?
Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?
Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.
And often, it isn't.
And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.
In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.
Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.
Even though the evil Republicans wouldn't help.
"I suspect that most people in Cincinnati would acknowledge that I've tried real hard, and we haven't gotten the Republicans to engage on a whole range of issues that, I wish had happened," Obama said in an interview with WLWT-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio.
"Part of what I think needs to happen in this election is the voters once again have to send a message, 'We want common sense ideas. We don't folks who are just saying no to everything. Even stuff, traditionally [they] were in favor of," Obama said.
Obama: Most People "Would Acknowledge That I've Tried Real Hard" | RealClearPolitics
Strangely enough, I don't think trying is enough for the president, but I could be wrong.
Link?
Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?
Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.
And often, it isn't.
And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.
In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.
Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.
WOW, your retardation is acute. If anything this one falls almost completely ON a lack of health insurance. A preventative care visit may not detect appendicitis. BUT, a visit to a doctor or hospital WILL when it is acute, AND, the family of the deceased stated that "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances."
Even though the evil Republicans wouldn't help.
"I suspect that most people in Cincinnati would acknowledge that I've tried real hard, and we haven't gotten the Republicans to engage on a whole range of issues that, I wish had happened," Obama said in an interview with WLWT-TV in Cincinnati, Ohio.
"Part of what I think needs to happen in this election is the voters once again have to send a message, 'We want common sense ideas. We don't folks who are just saying no to everything. Even stuff, traditionally [they] were in favor of," Obama said.
Obama: Most People "Would Acknowledge That I've Tried Real Hard" | RealClearPolitics
Strangely enough, I don't think trying is enough for the president, but I could be wrong.
Link?
Lol...seriously, you think medicaid pays ER bills across the board?
Nope. Particularly if you happen to be outside your coverage area. You go the ER, then an insurance agent decides whether or not your emergency should be covered.
And often, it isn't.
And people often mistake appendix symptoms for something that isn't urgent, and by the time they realize it's urgent, it's too late. That's the thing about appendicitis. And, genius...it can't be predicted or prevented no matter HOW many preventative care visits you make on the state dime.
In other words, piss poor example. Completely irrelevant to the topic, as your abstract was, and as anything else you dredge up will be.
Because lack of insurance doesn't kill people. Insurance won't prevent appendicitis.
WOW, your retardation is acute. If anything this one falls almost completely ON a lack of health insurance. A preventative care visit may not detect appendicitis. BUT, a visit to a doctor or hospital WILL when it is acute, AND, the family of the deceased stated that "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances."
No, it doesn't. This anecdotal, unsourced *evidence* absolutely doesn't prove that lack of insurance kills people.
It proves that appendecitis can be mistaken for something else, however.
What do you call what Republicans have done since Obama was elected President?
- What about Republican leaders and officials who got together during Obama's inauguration in the infamous, secret pact meeting to vow to destroy him at all costsincluding the cost to the country?
- What about what Republicans did during the health care debate later revealed by George W. Bush's former speechwriter?
"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obamas Waterloo just as healthcare was Clintons in 1994."
- What about the use of INSURGENCY by House Republicans?
Insurgency
Friday, February 6, 2009
Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency
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"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."
Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex
poor Obama, the people were smart enough to vote in the Republicans to stop the idiot from his great "visions" of transforming Amercia...
so lets give the PEOPLE who voted for that a hand, and a big, waaaaaaaaaaaaaa for Obama and his cult followers
And we got Republican's vision of destroying the President of the United States, and to hell with the country. Conservatives had made it perfectly clear, they don't accept any governing unless it is under their dictum and decree.