Obama: "We're responsible for each other". Really? Since when?

I don't have to. You already cited it.

indeed, you clearly missed his point then.

No you have. He has shown us how to provide charity. He is our Exemplar. He didn't demand Ceasar feed the 5000. He fed them.

If you cared about the poor, you'd be serving them, not trying to force others to.

:lol:

which is why he COLLECTED FISHES AND LOAVES from a few in order to feed the many, right fool?


What part of "give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's" don't you understand?


It's people like you that validate my atheism.
 
Can you understand the difference between me throwing a party and hiring a caterer for my guests, and me taking on responsibility for providing food for my guests their entire lifetimes, or is that too complicated for you?

Can you cite scripture where jebus makes such a clarification about charity?

:rofl:

I DARE you.


:lol:

Again, you already did. I am amazed how you can't see this.


Again, you have no clue what that passage means. I'm amazed that you still think that you are a christian. But, I guess if nazis and slave owners knew how to wrap the bible around their silly opinions...
 
Would Jesus condone a thief giving his money to the poor? The thief stole from others he found undeserving of their possessions to help those he found deserving.

HWJJ? (How Would Jesus Judge?)

Considering He told us "Thou shalt not steal', I'm confident what His view point on the matter was.

taxes are not theft. If this is the root of your argument then it's time for you to go repent.
 
You still can't tell the difference between using force and volunteering. It's quite sad. When you have to steal money from others, you aren't being charitable. You aren't giving anything of yourself. You can give everything your neighbor has, but it doesn't benefit you at all, because you have given what wasn't yours to give.

We are supposed to give ourselves to God. We are supposed to minister to the poor. Lift the needy. We are supposed to comfort those who mourn. We, as individuals are suppposed to do it.

Not matter how much you empower politicians to pretend to do it, you aren't fulfilling your responsibilities.

Oh, and that's not socialism. The difference between socialism and the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that those who give because of the Gospel do so without any force. They voluntarily give their times, talents, and money. Socialism, like make things inspired by the adversary, is a cheap imitation to the Plan of Happiness.


And you still can't tell the difference between what is supposed to be your concern, the kingdom of heaven, and what he clearly stated was not as important, Caesar's taxes. Yes, you are quite sad. Jesus never said TAXES IS STEALING. You say that, not ole jebus. Which, is why you are as laughable in your interpretation of the bible as the original pharisees that he was speaking to.


:rofl:


but yea, collecting from the few and REDISTRIBUTING among the masses... yea, THAT sure isn't socialist!

:rofl:

just shut the hell up, foo.... go put more time into reading the scripture than worshiping the Heritage Foundation.


:lol:


oyvay.
 
Gal 6:2
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Now this is a willful misinterpretation of the meaning of what is written for political points. Let's look at the verse in context of the entire chapter, mmkay? You've committed the same sin you just complained about.

The given verse is bolded. But look at some other verses used to give context to the whole statement. The kickers are in red.

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Gal 6:1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
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Gal 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
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Gal 6:3 If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
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Gal 6:4 Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,
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Gal 6:5 for each one should carry his own load.
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Gal 6:6 Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.
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Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
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Gal 6:8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [fn] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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Gal 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
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Gal 6:11 See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
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Gal 6:12 Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.
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Gal 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh.
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Gal 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which [fn] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
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Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.
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Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God.
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Gal 6:17 Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.
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Gal 6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen.

Taken from Blue Letter Bible - Home Page

Well what do you know about that? Three admonishments that we bear the responsibility for our own acts. We are ENCOURAGED to help each other carry our burden, but are RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BURDENS! Also, you can plainly see that there is no hint given that this is a collective encouragement, but an individual encouragement. To each person, not group, not government.

We are not responsible for the lives of anyone other than ourselves. Christ commands us to follow Him and not worry about how He will deal with the lives of others.

Have you ever considered that God is a practitioner of tough love, and when you enable someone to escape the tough love they have gotten themselves in, you further exacerbate the problem God is trying to save them from? The Bible is full of examples on how He used tough love on His Chosen People.

If you give a five spot to an alcoholic on the street for food, how are you helping them when you know damn well they'll be buying a drink with it? Are you better off just assuming your taxes are going to alcoholism treatment agencies and that man can get help there and end your guilt from seeing a trainwreck of a human being? If the conviction is put on your heart to help someone, God put it there for YOU as an individual to help them as you best can. Not for you to call your state representative to increase funding for drug abuse treatment facilities. One life, one conviction, your choice, their choice.

Don't abdicate your responsibility if your heart is convicted.

neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

:thup:


Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 
So there we have it. The issue is settled.

Jesus is TOTALLY AGAINST any kind of government assistance for the poor and needy. He hates them as much as the GOP. He would be in favor of cutting off SS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, Head Start, Aid To Families with Dependant Children, etc. Oh...never mind the fact that we can't back any of that up in His living Word. That's just a mere inconvenience. We just happen to "know it".

Now....if we can get all of these loving, hard nosed Christians to step up to the plate and start REALLY contributing to charities. You know, the ones who could not possibly carry the load and was the driving force for the need and creation of welfare? Of course, we really should cut them and their children off and toss them into the street and simply trust in God that they will be ok.

Now that's what REAL Christians would do!! :cuckoo:

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no shit, right? I guess supporting the GOP financially is more important than, you know, following the word of god. Some asshole with a pharisee opinion of the bible says that jesus hated charity and wanted a tax rate in the single digits, you know.
 
Gal 6:2
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Now this is a willful misinterpretation of the meaning of what is written for political points. Let's look at the verse in context of the entire chapter, mmkay? You've committed the same sin you just complained about.

The given verse is bolded. But look at some other verses used to give context to the whole statement. The kickers are in red.

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Gal 6:1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
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Gal 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
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Gal 6:3 If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
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Gal 6:4 Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,
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Gal 6:5 for each one should carry his own load.
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Gal 6:6 Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.
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Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
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Gal 6:8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [fn] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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Gal 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
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Gal 6:11 See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
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Gal 6:12 Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.
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Gal 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh.
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Gal 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which [fn] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
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Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.
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Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God.
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Gal 6:17 Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.
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Gal 6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen.

Taken from Blue Letter Bible - Home Page

Well what do you know about that? Three admonishments that we bear the responsibility for our own acts. We are ENCOURAGED to help each other carry our burden, but are RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BURDENS! Also, you can plainly see that there is no hint given that this is a collective encouragement, but an individual encouragement. To each person, not group, not government.

We are not responsible for the lives of anyone other than ourselves. Christ commands us to follow Him and not worry about how He will deal with the lives of others.

Have you ever considered that God is a practitioner of tough love, and when you enable someone to escape the tough love they have gotten themselves in, you further exacerbate the problem God is trying to save them from? The Bible is full of examples on how He used tough love on His Chosen People.

If you give a five spot to an alcoholic on the street for food, how are you helping them when you know damn well they'll be buying a drink with it? Are you better off just assuming your taxes are going to alcoholism treatment agencies and that man can get help there and end your guilt from seeing a trainwreck of a human being? If the conviction is put on your heart to help someone, God put it there for YOU as an individual to help them as you best can. Not for you to call your state representative to increase funding for drug abuse treatment facilities. One life, one conviction, your choice, their choice.

Don't abdicate your responsibility if your heart is convicted.

neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

:thup:


Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

Denominations are not of God. But I also know a shill when I read one who puts politics before faith.

Take the beam out of your own eye before you judge my faith.
 
He's not being a shill. He's simply stating a pretty valid opinion about what Jesus probably wanted - for us all to take care of each other.
 
Gal 6:2
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Now this is a willful misinterpretation of the meaning of what is written for political points. Let's look at the verse in context of the entire chapter, mmkay? You've committed the same sin you just complained about.

The given verse is bolded. But look at some other verses used to give context to the whole statement. The kickers are in red.

copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:3 If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:4 Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else,
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:5 for each one should carry his own load.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:6 Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature [fn] will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:11 See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:12 Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:13 Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which [fn] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:17 Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.
copyChkboxOff.gif
Gal 6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen.

Taken from Blue Letter Bible - Home Page

Well what do you know about that? Three admonishments that we bear the responsibility for our own acts. We are ENCOURAGED to help each other carry our burden, but are RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BURDENS! Also, you can plainly see that there is no hint given that this is a collective encouragement, but an individual encouragement. To each person, not group, not government.

We are not responsible for the lives of anyone other than ourselves. Christ commands us to follow Him and not worry about how He will deal with the lives of others.

Have you ever considered that God is a practitioner of tough love, and when you enable someone to escape the tough love they have gotten themselves in, you further exacerbate the problem God is trying to save them from? The Bible is full of examples on how He used tough love on His Chosen People.

If you give a five spot to an alcoholic on the street for food, how are you helping them when you know damn well they'll be buying a drink with it? Are you better off just assuming your taxes are going to alcoholism treatment agencies and that man can get help there and end your guilt from seeing a trainwreck of a human being? If the conviction is put on your heart to help someone, God put it there for YOU as an individual to help them as you best can. Not for you to call your state representative to increase funding for drug abuse treatment facilities. One life, one conviction, your choice, their choice.

Don't abdicate your responsibility if your heart is convicted.

neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

:thup:


Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

For an atheist you sure have an amazingly good understanding of what a true Christian is. :clap2:

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Now this is a willful misinterpretation of the meaning of what is written for political points. Let's look at the verse in context of the entire chapter, mmkay? You've committed the same sin you just complained about.

The given verse is bolded. But look at some other verses used to give context to the whole statement. The kickers are in red.



Taken from Blue Letter Bible - Home Page

Well what do you know about that? Three admonishments that we bear the responsibility for our own acts. We are ENCOURAGED to help each other carry our burden, but are RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN BURDENS! Also, you can plainly see that there is no hint given that this is a collective encouragement, but an individual encouragement. To each person, not group, not government.

We are not responsible for the lives of anyone other than ourselves. Christ commands us to follow Him and not worry about how He will deal with the lives of others.

Have you ever considered that God is a practitioner of tough love, and when you enable someone to escape the tough love they have gotten themselves in, you further exacerbate the problem God is trying to save them from? The Bible is full of examples on how He used tough love on His Chosen People.

If you give a five spot to an alcoholic on the street for food, how are you helping them when you know damn well they'll be buying a drink with it? Are you better off just assuming your taxes are going to alcoholism treatment agencies and that man can get help there and end your guilt from seeing a trainwreck of a human being? If the conviction is put on your heart to help someone, God put it there for YOU as an individual to help them as you best can. Not for you to call your state representative to increase funding for drug abuse treatment facilities. One life, one conviction, your choice, their choice.

Don't abdicate your responsibility if your heart is convicted.

neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

:thup:


Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

For an atheist you sure have an amazingly good understanding of what a true Christian is. :clap2:

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Well, I make it a point to never listen to an atheist tell me what a Christian is. And no Goose... he doesn't.
 
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neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

:thup:


Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

For an atheist you sure have an amazingly good understanding of what a true Christian is. :clap2:

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Well, I make it a point to never listen to an atheist tell me what a Christian is.

Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.
 
neither carrying one's own load nor reaping what one sows OR carrying his own load diminishes each single statement that he was making about a myriad of characteristics that his flock should represent. This passage isn't mutually exclusive.

Being personally responsible isn't an excuse to sidestep charity. and, it's especially not an excuse to believe that your bank account and TAX RATE is more important to jebus than your ability to be lovingly charitable as he specifically stated.

ps, if you are fucking retarded enough to believe that some "tough love jesus" wants you to ignore the plight of your fellow humanity then, please, let me know what denomination you subscribe to so that I can avoid that cult altogether.

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Luke 16:19-31 (New International Version, ©2011)

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

For an atheist you sure have an amazingly good understanding of what a true Christian is. :clap2:

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Well, I make it a point to never listen to an atheist tell me what a Christian is. And no Goose... he doesn't.

Yes Fitz, he does. Sad to say he's closer to the divine truth than you.

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For an atheist you sure have an amazingly good understanding of what a true Christian is. :clap2:

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Well, I make it a point to never listen to an atheist tell me what a Christian is.

Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.

Or a wing nut trying to describe tolerance and compassion.

BTW...I noticed Big Fitz liked your post. I suppose he's going to try and say that Jesus would call them names and cast stones? Wait.....maybe in his belief he would think that Jesus would do that.

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Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.

Or a wing nut trying to describe tolerance and compassion.

BTW...I noticed Big Fitz liked your post. I suppose he's going to try and say that Jesus would call them names and cast stones? Wait.....maybe in his belief he would think that Jesus would do that.

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liberal Dictionary:
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Compassion - taking money by force from those who have earned for the benefit of those who have done nothing.

Tolerance - persecuting anyone who disputes the liberal conception of compassion
 
Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.

Or a wing nut trying to describe tolerance and compassion.

BTW...I noticed Big Fitz liked your post. I suppose he's going to try and say that Jesus would call them names and cast stones? Wait.....maybe in his belief he would think that Jesus would do that.

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liberal Dictionary:
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Compassion - taking money by force from those who have earned for the benefit of those who have done nothing.

Tolerance - persecuting anyone who disputes the liberal conception of compassion

Thanks for proving my point. :tongue:

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forced wealth transfer payments, stealing the labor of one to give to the parasitic behavior of another is simply immoral


Democrats are truly evil
 
Well, I make it a point to never listen to an atheist tell me what a Christian is.

Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.

Or a wing nut trying to describe tolerance and compassion.

BTW...I noticed Big Fitz liked your post. I suppose he's going to try and say that Jesus would call them names and cast stones? Wait.....maybe in his belief he would think that Jesus would do that.

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Ya' mean like liberal Perez Hilton who calls himself a "queer"?

Or liberal Eddie Murphy who uses the term "faggot" several times in his RAW performance?

Yeah, you lib's sure are all about tolerance and compassion.

Or how about the movie, "Queer Nation", that was mabe by, for, and about queers?

Fuckin' hypocrites!
 
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Yep, like a Queer tryin' to describe marriage.

Or a wing nut trying to describe tolerance and compassion.

BTW...I noticed Big Fitz liked your post. I suppose he's going to try and say that Jesus would call them names and cast stones? Wait.....maybe in his belief he would think that Jesus would do that.

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Ya' mean like liberal Perez Hilton who calls himself a "queer"?

Or liberal Eddie Murphy who uses the term "faggot" several times in his RAW performance?

Yeah, you lib's sure are all about tolerance and compassion.

Fuckin' hypocrites!

They know they are...and they wallow in it.
 
forced wealth transfer payments, stealing the labor of one to give to the parasitic behavior of another is simply immoral


Democrats are truly evil

You want to deny help to the crippled and infirm and you say I'M the evil one. :eusa_whistle:

Oh yeah.....Jesus would agree with YOU on that. :eusa_hand:

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