Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

[Greenbeard]

ObamaCare promised to lower the cost of health care. Remember all those charts in 2009 comparing per capita spending on health care by country, and how we had the highest? This was supposed to convince us that ObamaCare was the way to go.

You don't hear or see those charts any more. Per capita spending is not going down, and ObamaCare will never make it go down.

Per capita spending is falling among the publicly insured and is about as close to it among the privately insured population as we've ever gotten.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

same shit different day for RW's ... in 011 Wally cut off ins for part timers working less than 24 hours a week, and RW's died of strokes, now its been moved up to 30 hours a week, and RW's are having heart attacks ...

attention part timers ... go get a job, this is America. If you don't like wallyworld meet another company you do like. All the whining RW's will never miss you.

A direct result of obiecare. Man you people are something else.

ObamaCare promised to lower the cost of health care. Remember all those charts in 2009 comparing per capita spending on health care by country, and how we had the highest? This was supposed to convince us that ObamaCare was the way to go.

You don't hear or see those charts any more. Per capita spending is not going down, and ObamaCare will never make it go down.

Per capita spending is falling among the publicly insured and is about as close to it among the privately insured population as we've ever gotten.

No link so hard to tell but who exactly is the payer? Is it the person that has the insurance? The company paying? The tax payer? Who is the "payer" that is actually paying less for insurance these days?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I've read tons on this subject. Several (many) opinions agree. The burden of guilt is on the insurance companies. Insurance costs have risen because the insurance industry wanted them to rise not because ACA made them rise. Similar to the car insurance scenario mentioned here. Health insurance was increasing at warp speed BEFORE ACA was implemented, and nobody gave a damn or at least they never gave it this much attention. This is all about Obama not health insurance costs. Admit it.


Health Insurance rose 131% between 1999 and 2009.

Chart shows staggering rise in health insurance costs


where was the rage for 43 and the RW then ?

"The burden of guilt is on the insurance companies. Insurance costs have risen because the insurance industry wanted them to rise not because ACA made them rise."

Patently silly.
The more that insurance covers the more it costs.

The more that insurance covers, the more it costs. The more it costs, the more profit it makes.

Health Insurance companies are ranked number 88 on the list of company profit margins in America. Health insurance is one of the best bargains available for the buck. It is the cost of medical CARE that is obscene. One visit to the hospital emergency room and one little surgical procedure can easily wipe out three or four years of health insurance premiums. I had a heart attack that resulted in medical provider bills totaling over $100K. I will never pay that much in insurance premiums. Obama attacked the wrong end of the problem. He should have done something about the robbery and fleecing of the people by the medical profession.

you pay a deductible that covers your expenses and that's all you pay for that particular visit.. there's no longer a cap on how much an insurance company decides to pay for your procedure even if your heart attack cost 5 million dollars

Exactly but I'm saying there should be limits on what a doctor, hospital. or other health providers charge for their services. It's totally outrageous. Incidentially, my premium for 2015 went up $10.08 per month. It's a real bargain. One hospital visit without coverage could really hurt me.

There is a limit on how much you can be charged by any medical provider. It is call the "contracted rate", and all HMO's put a limit on how much they will pay a contracted provider. If the provider will not agree to that limit, the HMO will find another provider who will agree to it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Employers have been cutting back on health insurance costs, and cancelling coverage altogether, for decades. No other country has employer paid health insurance, and, as a result, our employers can not sell their products at a profit in the world market. In order to get around this cost, they outsource manufacturing and assembly to nations whose employees do not demand health insurance paid by the employer. This is the reason that a train full of new Fords comes through the Santa Cruise River Valley from Nogales, every other night. Why conservatives don't understand this simple issue is beyond me. Ford has built in more money into the cost of an American manufactured automobile for health insurance costs, than they have built in for the cost of steel since 1977.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

"Forces"? Really? A cadre of money-grubbing corporatist scumbags choose to deliberately screw over thousands of working-class cytyzyns in order to further maximize their own profit, and you blame President Obama for this?

Your racism has taken hold of your infinitesimally small manpig "brain" and destroyed all sense of logic and fairness. You are truly beyond reason.

But for the stupid ACA, this would not occur.
That's a fact.
Of course a far left wing moonbat Obama sycophant such as yourself, has no use for facts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

"Forces"? Really? A cadre of money-grubbing corporatist scumbags choose to deliberately screw over thousands of working-class cytyzyns in order to further maximize their own profit, and you blame President Obama for this?

Your racism has taken hold of your infinitesimally small manpig "brain" and destroyed all sense of logic and fairness. You are truly beyond reason.

Oh, the race card? Shove it.
Feminazi lib.

 

[the_human_being]

"The burden of guilt is on the insurance companies. Insurance costs have risen because the insurance industry wanted them to rise not because ACA made them rise."

Patently silly.
The more that insurance covers the more it costs.

The more that insurance covers, the more it costs. The more it costs, the more profit it makes.

Health Insurance companies are ranked number 88 on the list of company profit margins in America. Health insurance is one of the best bargains available for the buck. It is the cost of medical CARE that is obscene. One visit to the hospital emergency room and one little surgical procedure can easily wipe out three or four years of health insurance premiums. I had a heart attack that resulted in medical provider bills totaling over $100K. I will never pay that much in insurance premiums. Obama attacked the wrong end of the problem. He should have done something about the robbery and fleecing of the people by the medical profession.

you pay a deductible that covers your expenses and that's all you pay for that particular visit.. there's no longer a cap on how much an insurance company decides to pay for your procedure even if your heart attack cost 5 million dollars

Exactly but I'm saying there should be limits on what a doctor, hospital. or other health providers charge for their services. It's totally outrageous. Incidentially, my premium for 2015 went up $10.08 per month. It's a real bargain. One hospital visit without coverage could really hurt me.

There is a limit on how much you can be charged by any medical provider. It is call the "contracted rate", and all HMO's put a limit on how much they will pay a contracted provider. If the provider will not agree to that limit, the HMO will find another provider who will agree to it.

Yes I know but that limit is set way to high.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

"Forces"? Really? A cadre of money-grubbing corporatist scumbags choose to deliberately screw over thousands of working-class cytyzyns in order to further maximize their own profit, and you blame President Obama for this?

Your racism has taken hold of your infinitesimally small manpig "brain" and destroyed all sense of logic and fairness. You are truly beyond reason.

Your stupid law caused them to have to react. Before obiecare the employees had insurance. After obiecare they don't. How damn stupid do you have to be to not be able to follow that bouncing ball?

This comes as no surprise. This action by Walmart will be repeated across the country. And its intneded. The ACA was written to force this to happen.
ACA is nothing more than a precursor to socialized medicine. THAT is the goal of Obamacare.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The part the Obama sycophants ignore is Walmart charges a whopping $21.99 per pay period for the health plan for employees.
22 bucks every two weeks? That is CHEAP....

 

[the_human_being]

Employers have been cutting back on health insurance costs, and cancelling coverage altogether, for decades. No other country has employer paid health insurance, and, as a result, our employers can not sell their products at a profit in the world market. In order to get around this cost, they outsource manufacturing and assembly to nations whose employees do not demand health insurance paid by the employer. This is the reason that a train full of new Fords comes through the Santa Cruise River Valley from Nogales, every other night. Why conservatives don't understand this simple issue is beyond me. Ford has built in more money into the cost of an American manufactured automobile for health insurance costs, than they have built in for the cost of steel since 1977.

Uhhhh, Republicans are not the ones setting the nation's economic policies. The Democrats are in charge.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

"Forces"? Really? A cadre of money-grubbing corporatist scumbags choose to deliberately screw over thousands of working-class cytyzyns in order to further maximize their own profit, and you blame President Obama for this?

Your racism has taken hold of your infinitesimally small manpig "brain" and destroyed all sense of logic and fairness. You are truly beyond reason.

Your stupid law caused them to have to react. Before obiecare the employees had insurance. After obiecare they don't. How damn stupid do you have to be to not be able to follow that bouncing ball?

More victim blaming nonsense. "It's not Walmart's fault for being run by greedy Wrongpublican fucks, it's President Obama's fault for even trying to do something to make the lives of Walmart employees better in any way!"

I suppose when President Obama wears a skirt you deem too short, you'll claim that he's "asking for it" and "deserves to be raped," right conservatard? Ridiculous.

You are one angry individual. Perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere. Pack your bags. Because what you want is not here. And never will be here.

 

[thereisnospoon]

LOL......More liberal pap.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obamacare is the worst law ever written.

ShootSpeeders thinks that giving impoverished Americans access to affordable healthcare is worse than the Sedition Act, which banned criticism of the government.

Proof that Wrongpublicans oppose President Obama due to his race (which, by the way, doesn't even exist--but I'll save that lesson for a later time) and not due to any substantive issues.

Shut up, short bus

 

[Missouri_Mike]

LOL......More liberal pap.

Draw that same cartoon with a black woman as the customer and the bartender with a left name tag you would be called racist and mysoginist. White male? Not so much. Untruth, fear and racism on the bottles don't even have to change.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Employers have been cutting back on health insurance costs, and cancelling coverage altogether, for decades. No other country has employer paid health insurance, and, as a result, our employers can not sell their products at a profit in the world market. In order to get around this cost, they outsource manufacturing and assembly to nations whose employees do not demand health insurance paid by the employer. This is the reason that a train full of new Fords comes through the Santa Cruise River Valley from Nogales, every other night. Why conservatives don't understand this simple issue is beyond me. Ford has built in more money into the cost of an American manufactured automobile for health insurance costs, than they have built in for the cost of steel since 1977.

Uhhhh, Republicans are not the ones setting the nation's economic policies. The Democrats are in charge.

The point is that employer based health insurance is a dead paradigm. If democrats truly controlled the government, there would be a single payer system exactly the same as Medicare. I challenge anyone to name three prominent republicans that support that.

Your employer wants OUT of the health insurance business. It has been happening for decades, and it is inevitable.

 

[billyerock1991]

Obamacare Forces Walmart To Cancel Health Insurance Coverage For 30,000 Workers

"Forces"? Really? A cadre of money-grubbing corporatist scumbags choose to deliberately screw over thousands of working-class cytyzyns in order to further maximize their own profit, and you blame President Obama for this?

Your racism has taken hold of your infinitesimally small manpig "brain" and destroyed all sense of logic and fairness. You are truly beyond reason.

Your stupid law caused them to have to react. Before obiecare the employees had insurance. After obiecare they don't. How damn stupid do you have to be to not be able to follow that bouncing ball?

More victim blaming nonsense. "It's not Walmart's fault for being run by greedy Wrongpublican fucks, it's President Obama's fault for even trying to do something to make the lives of Walmart employees better in any way!"

I suppose when President Obama wears a skirt you deem too short, you'll claim that he's "asking for it" and "deserves to be raped," right conservatard? Ridiculous.

Let me make this as plain as I can. You are a fucking idiot. Obamacare is raising premiums in America by nearly 40 percent. Wake the fuck up. IT DOES NOT WORK. Walmart is doing the only thing they can. They simply will NOT pass this rise in premiums on th their customers. It's called "Capitalism" you dumbass.

so what you're saying when my premium was 550 dollars a month and it went down to 250 dollars a month thats 40% higher???? who would have thunk it ... could it be its you who needs to Wake the fuck up....

 

[billyerock1991]

Things are going as PLANNED by him

can you imagine having a President of your country who set OUT intentionally to HURT YOU the people he Represents.

oh are we talking about George W. Bush here ??? I agree

 

[Stephanie]

I just posted this in another thread

SNIP:

Not a conspiracy anymore: The left cheers as employers scale back health coverage
posted at 2:41 pm on October 8, 2014 by Noah Rothman

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Even before the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, its conservative critics warned of the perverse incentive contained within the law which could prompt employers to reduce the health benefits they offered to some of their employees.
“Because of the magnitude of the new subsidies created by Congress, the economics become compelling for many employers to simply drop coverage and help their employees obtain replacement coverage through an exchange,” former Tennessee Gov. Philip Bredesen warned in a 2010 op-ed in The Wall Street Journal.
“Providing incentives for employers to dump their employees into the exchanges is simply shifting the cost burden to taxpayers,” The Daily Signal’s Alyene Senger cautioned less than two years later. “Whatever the employer-dumping study du jour says, it’s not good for Americans who want to keep their employer-sponsored coverage in the new Obamacare era.”
Citing prominent Democrats like Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), who told a Nevada media outlet that the ACA was a way in which the country could begin to “work our way past” the private insurance model, some conservatives charged that Obamacare was designed to kick start the process of dismantling the system of employer-based insurance.
The law’s backers predictably dismissed the concerns of these and other Obamacare critics. Some derided their criticisms charitably as reflective merely of a misunderstanding of basic capitalist incentive structures. Others, who were perhaps less inclined toward charity, derided Obamacare’s Cassandras as mere kooks and conspiracy theorists.
Citing a Modern Healthcare survey of employers in March, 2013, Think Progress blogger Sy Mukherjee observed that only 6 percent of employer respondents planned to transition their employees away from sponsored health coverage. “That assessment stands in stark contrast to some Obamacare opponents’ more outlandish claims,” he wrote. “[C]onversations about Obamacare tend to devolve into varying degrees of hysteria and fear-mongering that aren’t based in the reality of what the reform law will do.”
Vox.com founder and former flagship blogger for The Washington Post’s Wonkblog, Ezra Klein, has been perhaps the most prolific author of pieces dismissing the concerns of those who suggest large employers would scale back health benefits.
“Employers offer health insurance because employees demand it,” Klein wrote in the spring of 2013. “If you’re an employer who doesn’t offer insurance and your competitors do, you’ll lose out on the most talented workers. An employer who stopped offering health benefits would see his best employees immediately start looking for other jobs.”


Not a conspiracy anymore The left cheers as employers scale back health coverage Hot Air

 

[billyerock1991]

Obama's been a huge success.

Obamacare killing the private sector

46,000,000 American on food stamps

90,000,000 out of the work force

Ebola and a child killing virus in the USA

He may be the most Progressive president since FDR

heres how stupid your post is ... there are 316 million people in the united states

according to labor stats says there are 165 million working
here you have 46 MILLION ON WELFARE food stamps then you say that 90 million are unemployed so what you are saying that a 136 million are on government assistance ... that means 29 million people are working

like I have said these repub-lie-cans lie so much that they even believe their own lies....

 

[Stephanie]

How long do you think those "90 million" are going to be happy to SUPPORT all your lazy asses on the taxpayer tit through government?

a Socialist Utopia is something to behold isn't it?