ObamaCare is NOT socialism

[Lovebears65]

https://www.newsday.com/opinion/ope...gs-but-it-s-certainly-not-socialism-1.6211076

You know who should be angry about Obamacare? Real socialists. The tea party opponents of the Affordable Care Act promised them a government incursion that the new law does not deliver.

Think back to the rallies of 2009 and 2010. All those signs mocking President Obama with the word socialist emblazoned upon them were as common as Gadsden ("Don't Tread on Me") flags. But the health-care exchanges that launched Tuesday bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies." And actual socialists have noticed.

"Obamacare cannot be considered socialist in any way," according to Greg Pason, the national secretary for Socialist Party USA.

"The ACA program relies on private health insurance companies to manage health services," Pason said. "A socialized system would not include 'health insurance,' but would be an actual national health-care system which would be publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically elected assemblies of health-care workers and patients."

He's right. Under the ACA, health insurance in America is still being delivered by private practitioners and paid for by private insurers. In fact, the vast majority of Americans who receive their health insurance from employer-paid plans will see no discernible change in their coverage or delivery, and need not access the exchanges. The only people who have to access the exchanges are the uninsured or those in the individual market (the 12 million to 15 million who purchase insurance for themselves). Soon, small businesses with 50 or fewer workers will go on the "SHOP exchange." Seniors are another group that should experience no change.

"Those who are reliant on Medicare need not be concerned, either," Mary Agnes Carey of Kaiser Health News told me. "Medicare has its own separate enrollment period. It starts in just a couple of weeks. The Medicare enrollment period is if you want to switch within Medicare to a different plan. ... But regarding the Affordable Care Act and the health insurance exchanges, you don't have to do anything."..............................................

Tell me then why is congress, the senate and the president not under the same exchanges Why do they get almost 75 percent of their insurances subsidies .. Why because they know it sucks!!

 

[Claudette]

https://www.newsday.com/opinion/ope...gs-but-it-s-certainly-not-socialism-1.6211076

You know who should be angry about Obamacare? Real socialists. The tea party opponents of the Affordable Care Act promised them a government incursion that the new law does not deliver.

Think back to the rallies of 2009 and 2010. All those signs mocking President Obama with the word socialist emblazoned upon them were as common as Gadsden ("Don't Tread on Me") flags. But the health-care exchanges that launched Tuesday bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies." And actual socialists have noticed.

"Obamacare cannot be considered socialist in any way," according to Greg Pason, the national secretary for Socialist Party USA.

"The ACA program relies on private health insurance companies to manage health services," Pason said. "A socialized system would not include 'health insurance,' but would be an actual national health-care system which would be publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically elected assemblies of health-care workers and patients."

He's right. Under the ACA, health insurance in America is still being delivered by private practitioners and paid for by private insurers. In fact, the vast majority of Americans who receive their health insurance from employer-paid plans will see no discernible change in their coverage or delivery, and need not access the exchanges. The only people who have to access the exchanges are the uninsured or those in the individual market (the 12 million to 15 million who purchase insurance for themselves). Soon, small businesses with 50 or fewer workers will go on the "SHOP exchange." Seniors are another group that should experience no change.

"Those who are reliant on Medicare need not be concerned, either," Mary Agnes Carey of Kaiser Health News told me. "Medicare has its own separate enrollment period. It starts in just a couple of weeks. The Medicare enrollment period is if you want to switch within Medicare to a different plan. ... But regarding the Affordable Care Act and the health insurance exchanges, you don't have to do anything."..............................................

Tell me then why is congress, the senate and the president not under the same exchanges Why do they get almost 75 percent of their insurances subsidies .. Why because they know it sucks!!

If they aren't paying for part of their benefits and pensions they sure as hell ought to be.

Just like the rest of us.

 

[OnePercenter]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

Australia's minimum wage is 120% higher than the US. So now do the math.

 

[OnePercenter]

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

before Obamacare one could go buy heathcare directly from a doctor......paying cash....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could go buy major medical for very little to cover emergencies....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to not buy healthcare at all without a penalty....FREE MARKET

You are wrong.

Answer me this, BirdBrain: Why do doctors and hospitals charge the uninsured roughly 100% MORE at the counter than the bill they file to the insurer? I'm talking about those who pay at the time of service. Answer the question with data and facts, not your birdshit rhetoric.

Hospitals Charge Uninsured and “Self-Pay” Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay
Hospitals Charge Uninsured and ?Self-Pay? Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay - 2007 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Now stop before you embarrass yourself further.....Johns Hopkins says you're a dumbass and so do I.

To make matters more interesting, in Vegas, 5 out of the 9 hospitals are owned by United Health Care.

 

[OnePercenter]

Obama Cares is not socialism.

The police department is socialist.

The fire department is socialist.

Public schools and universities are socialist.

Credit unions are socialist.

The U.S. military is socialist.

Social Security is socialist and has worked well for 76 years.

Medicare is socialist and is keeping my father alive.

Not to mention public streets and highways, public parks, and anything with 'public' before the noun.

 

[OnePercenter]

Obama Cares is not socialism.

The police department is socialist.

The fire department is socialist.

Public schools and universities are socialist.

Credit unions are socialist.

The U.S. military is socialist.

Social Security is socialist and has worked well for 76 years.

Medicare is socialist and is keeping my father alive.

are you REALLY that stupid?
neither of those programs are "socialist", as programs can not be socialist, economic relations - can.

Socialist ideals. Putting your money in the pot for the enjoyment of all.

 

[OnePercenter]

Obamacare is not socialism---It is a socilist policy placed in a mixed economic system!! Another step towards pure socialism.

And boy aren't we moving!!

not that straightforward. it is a fascist policy, actually.

Obama and the dimocraps are classic fascists ( all bought and paid for by big pockets and big money) - which is still a part of leftwing policies, just the nazi-style vs stalin-style.

does not mean they won't convert to the latter ones any time they feel they have the power to do so.

Not fascism, it's socialist ideals.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not to mention public streets and highways, public parks, and anything with 'public' before the noun.

Parks and highways are the means of production?

You OWS shitters sure are some stupid fucks....

 

[Vox]

Obama Cares is not socialism.

The police department is socialist.

The fire department is socialist.

Public schools and universities are socialist.

Credit unions are socialist.

The U.S. military is socialist.

Social Security is socialist and has worked well for 76 years.

Medicare is socialist and is keeping my father alive.

are you REALLY that stupid?
neither of those programs are "socialist", as programs can not be socialist, economic relations - can.

Socialist ideals. Putting your money in the pot for the enjoyment of all.

One more idiot who has no idea that public is not socialist

You guys are cloned in a one size fits all incubator?

 

[Politico]

Rmfaol!!!!!

 

[Vox]

Not to mention public streets and highways, public parks, and anything with 'public' before the noun.

Parks and highways are the means of production?

You OWS shitters sure are some stupid fucks....

it looks like there is one dumbing down center for our leftards - and they lecture all of those all this new invented stupidity which has absolutely nothing to do with the real definitions and real understanding how one economic type of relations differs from the other.

Saying military is socialist is like telling that ancient Egypt was communist

 

[OnePercenter]

Not to mention public streets and highways, public parks, and anything with 'public' before the noun.

Parks and highways are the means of production?

You OWS shitters sure are some stupid fucks....

No, you don't pay a fee to use most parks and highways. Socialist ideals.

 

[regent]

Not to mention public streets and highways, public parks, and anything with 'public' before the noun.

Parks and highways are the means of production?

You OWS shitters sure are some stupid fucks....

it looks like there is one dumbing down center for our leftards - and they lecture all of those all this new invented stupidity which has absolutely nothing to do with the real definitions and real understanding how one economic type of relations differs from the other.

Saying military is socialist is like telling that ancient Egypt was communist

So what is socialism?

 

[OnePercenter]

are you REALLY that stupid?
neither of those programs are "socialist", as programs can not be socialist, economic relations - can.

Socialist ideals. Putting your money in the pot for the enjoyment of all.

One more idiot who has no idea that public is not socialist

You guys are cloned in a one size fits all incubator?

Socialist ideals....help the middle class prosper.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, you don't pay a fee to use most parks and highways. Socialist ideals.

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

I mean, actual PHYSICAL pain?

You OWS shitters are the stupidest fools on the planet.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So what is socialism?

Control of the means of production by the state.

 

[OnePercenter]

No, you don't pay a fee to use most parks and highways. Socialist ideals.

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

I mean, actual PHYSICAL pain?

You OWS shitters are the stupidest fools on the planet.

So you DO pay a fee to use most parks and highways?

 

[Vox]

Parks and highways are the means of production?

You OWS shitters sure are some stupid fucks....

it looks like there is one dumbing down center for our leftards - and they lecture all of those all this new invented stupidity which has absolutely nothing to do with the real definitions and real understanding how one economic type of relations differs from the other.

Saying military is socialist is like telling that ancient Egypt was communist

So what is socialism?

a type of economic relations based on absence of private ownership of the means of production.
There is no profit in a socialist society - it can happen, but that is not the goal.
That is the main difference.'
Absence of the profit as a goal sets up total different way the economy is functioning.

Private ownership of the means of production can not be abolished peacefully - therefore socialism can not exist as a society which is POLITICALLY governed with democratic institutions. It can exist only with totalitarian rule.

 

[Vox]

Socialist ideals. Putting your money in the pot for the enjoyment of all.

One more idiot who has no idea that public is not socialist

You guys are cloned in a one size fits all incubator?

Socialist ideals....help the middle class prosper.

you are really batshit stupid.

there is no middle class in socialism.

it does not exist as it is extinguished by the totalitarian regime as the main enemy of socialism

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you DO pay a fee to use most parks and highways?

Irrelevant, you ignorant baboon.

You really should have stuck it out all the way through 4th grade - no doubt you'd still be sucking the government teet - but at least you wouldn't be quite as vacuous...