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So Douchebag bosses can blame Obama for their douchebaggery.
This is why you need a CEO tax, or better yet, index the top marginal rate to the unemployment rate.
"Ha, Ha, I just laid off 60 people, I'm giving myself a raise."
"Ha, Ha, Your Tax rate just went up to 75%!"
A business owner should have the right to fire anyone he wants at any time for any reason.
An employee does not have a right to a job provided by someone else.
No, but once they've given them a job, they have to treat them decently.
Period.
Or do you think that if someone refused to give her boss a "Lewinsky", she should be fired with no recourse to law?
So Douchebag bosses can blame Obama for their douchebaggery.
This is why you need a CEO tax, or better yet, index the top marginal rate to the unemployment rate.
"Ha, Ha, I just laid off 60 people, I'm giving myself a raise."
"Ha, Ha, Your Tax rate just went up to 75%!"
Ha Ha, they just closed their doors and took their manufacturing overseas, laying off every employee in that state.
"Don't look at me, blame your government who thought they could raise corporate taxes under the flag of 'Hope and Change'. How's that change working now?"
when you employ someone you have made a contract with someone to supply you labor.
They are not then your slave as the right wing philosophy seems to think
A business owner should have the right to fire anyone he wants at any time for any reason.
An employee does not have a right to a job provided by someone else.
No, but once they've given them a job, they have to treat them decently.
Period.
Or do you think that if someone refused to give her boss a "Lewinsky", she should be fired with no recourse to law?
Well it worked out well for Clinton, as he kept his job. Interesting though, that those who commit adultery while serving the military aren't so lucky. I suppose because he's the President of the United States, Commander in Chief over the armed forces...... and not a CEO, nobody should tell HIM what he is allowed to do with his employees that he has working for him.... or how to run HIS office.
So Douchebag bosses can blame Obama for their douchebaggery.
This is why you need a CEO tax, or better yet, index the top marginal rate to the unemployment rate.
"Ha, Ha, I just laid off 60 people, I'm giving myself a raise."
"Ha, Ha, Your Tax rate just went up to 75%!"
Ha Ha, they just closed their doors and took their manufacturing overseas, laying off every employee in that state.
"Don't look at me, blame your government who thought they could raise corporate taxes under the flag of 'Hope and Change'. How's that change working now?"
It would work out just fine, if we treated it like the offense it was.
I have my great solution. Next time some douchebag moves his factory overseas, we slap a huge tariff on his products when they try to get them back into this country.
We also make them put "Made in CHINA" in a big font.
It's interesting how tariffs with countries in a global economy works ..... do onto others as they have done to you. China has made it harder for an automaker in the states to sell his cars overseas, this could lead to an overproduction of cars stockpiled outside his assembly plant ... with further layoffs in the United States. What's your next brilliant plan?
No, but once they've given them a job, they have to treat them decently.
Period.
Or do you think that if someone refused to give her boss a "Lewinsky", she should be fired with no recourse to law?
Well it worked out well for Clinton, as he kept his job. Interesting though, that those who commit adultery while serving the military aren't so lucky. I suppose because he's the President of the United States, Commander in Chief over the armed forces...... and not a CEO, nobody should tell HIM what he is allowed to do with his employees that he has working for him.... or how to run HIS office.
Your logic is, as always, fallacious.
If Monica refused to give him a blow job and she got fired, that might be actual cause. That ain't what happened.
You might have a better case that Paula Jones refused to give him one, but she didn't get fired or suffer any other negative consequences. So that argument fails, too. Also, he didn't hold that job anymore.
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My point is that no one from the left saw a problem, or questioned how "morally unethical" it is for a Commander-in-Chief to view or treat [on the job] one of his employees in any manner he saw fit. Yet its somehow immoral for a CEO to have the freedom to look at the best interests of his company, when it comes to making a decision to downsize or the ability to fire an employee? Look how President Clinton views women and tell me which one is being viewed, used, and treated like trash.
It's okay, I never actually said that, but Skull Head obviously feels some sort of remorse over someone's life he fucked up.
No you said in response to my question, "So firing someone is akin to murder now?"
I've known people who've died after they've gotten fired, so, yeah, I put them up there in the same category of fucking evil.
So firing someone is an equivalent evil to murder in your twisted mind.
BTW it's basically saying firing equals murder. After all if they are the same type of evil how are they different?
So you concede I didn't call firing murder, then?
Nice of you to be honest. Now if we can get you to be less of a douche, that'd be something.
A business owner should have the right to fire anyone he wants at any time for any reason.
An employee does not have a right to a job provided by someone else.
Agreed. A boss should be able to fire someone for being Black, Asian, Gay, Democrat, female etc etc.
Righty? What fucking year do you live in? Serious question. The good Ol days are gone and people like you are dying off thank god.
This is nice too!!!
It's okay, I never actually said that, but Skull Head obviously feels some sort of remorse over someone's life he fucked up.
No...the person he let go fucked up his own life by doing a poor job.
You see Joe, it works this way. When a person is at fault in their own discharge from employment, the management did not decide to fire that person., The worker made the decision. They did that by nor performing as agreed when they were hired. Remember, on the day of hire the employer and employee enter into an agreement. That is the employee agrees to perform assigned tasks while the employer agrees to compensate the employee for successful completion of said tasks.
If the employee violates the agreement, it is THEY who have decided they no longer wish to be a part of the company.
The problem with that is, then the employer is also obligated to live up to their end of the agreement, is he not?
Now, keep in mind, we aren't talking about a person in this thread who was fired for her performance. We are talking about a person who was fired because her boss didn't like who she voted for.
I've seen an employee of 14 years fired because she was gay.
I've seen women fired because they got pregnant.
I was personally fired (despite six years of glowing performance evaluations) because I ran up too many medical bills one year.
Now, if you are going to insist on making so many things contingent on employment, and not just garuntee every citizen health care and a job like those nasty European Socialists do. (Damn them with their higher standard of living and their longer life expectencies!) then you really should be insisting on holding the employer to his end of the agreement, should you not?
Or to put it a way even a greedy douchebag can understand. If you are a fair employer who only fires people for cause, and you are paying through the nose for unemployment insurance and taxes, the guy who is out there firing his wage slaves because he doesn't like who they are sleeping with or who they voted for is kind of acting badly at your expense, isn't he?
No...the person he let go fucked up his own life by doing a poor job.
You see Joe, it works this way. When a person is at fault in their own discharge from employment, the management did not decide to fire that person., The worker made the decision. They did that by nor performing as agreed when they were hired. Remember, on the day of hire the employer and employee enter into an agreement. That is the employee agrees to perform assigned tasks while the employer agrees to compensate the employee for successful completion of said tasks.
If the employee violates the agreement, it is THEY who have decided they no longer wish to be a part of the company.
The problem with that is, then the employer is also obligated to live up to their end of the agreement, is he not?
Now, keep in mind, we aren't talking about a person in this thread who was fired for her performance. We are talking about a person who was fired because her boss didn't like who she voted for.
I've seen an employee of 14 years fired because she was gay.
I've seen women fired because they got pregnant.
I was personally fired (despite six years of glowing performance evaluations) because I ran up too many medical bills one year.
Now, if you are going to insist on making so many things contingent on employment, and not just garuntee every citizen health care and a job like those nasty European Socialists do. (Damn them with their higher standard of living and their longer life expectencies!) then you really should be insisting on holding the employer to his end of the agreement, should you not?
Or to put it a way even a greedy douchebag can understand. If you are a fair employer who only fires people for cause, and you are paying through the nose for unemployment insurance and taxes, the guy who is out there firing his wage slaves because he doesn't like who they are sleeping with or who they voted for is kind of acting badly at your expense, isn't he?
Yeah, and I got fired because the boss's wife didn't like I had to have a necessary surgery and missed over a month of work. Yet, my performance review was exceeding expectations, and I was over 150% of quota. So, guess what I did, I moved on. That is life.
Yeah, and I got fired because the boss's wife didn't like I had to have a necessary surgery and missed over a month of work. Yet, my performance review was exceeding expectations, and I was over 150% of quota. So, guess what I did, I moved on. That is life.
I was fired because I refused to sabotage customers' cars. Like you, I moved on.
(And I called the police, two newspapers, and a TV station on the crooked shop.)
Yeah, and I got fired because the boss's wife didn't like I had to have a necessary surgery and missed over a month of work. Yet, my performance review was exceeding expectations, and I was over 150% of quota. So, guess what I did, I moved on. That is life.
I'll go you one better. My boss decided that even though I was in excrutiating pain, I couldn't take one day off for knee surgury. I had to delay that operation for a month because, hey, they were transitioning to new software and their might be complications, because no one else knew the ins and outs of the system we were transitioning too.
To this very day, I can't stand on that leg for more than a few hours.
So, yeah, I've moved on, with a bit of a limp.
It isn't about moving on, guy. It's about whether I should support an economic and political system that gives bosses the right to abuse employees with such impunity.
And frankly, I can't think of a good reason to. Quite the contrary, a system with strong workers rights would demand smarter bosses.
The obligation as you call it, is simple. The Employer compensates the employee at the agreed rate so as long as the employee performs assigned tasks to the satisfaction of the employer. The employee agrees to arrive to work on time every day. Show up for work every day he or she is scheduled to work. Show respect for superiors. Observe all rules set forth by the company. Pretty simple. The employer agrees to observe all state and federal labor laws. Pretty simple.It's okay, I never actually said that, but Skull Head obviously feels some sort of remorse over someone's life he fucked up.
No...the person he let go fucked up his own life by doing a poor job.
You see Joe, it works this way. When a person is at fault in their own discharge from employment, the management did not decide to fire that person., The worker made the decision. They did that by nor performing as agreed when they were hired. Remember, on the day of hire the employer and employee enter into an agreement. That is the employee agrees to perform assigned tasks while the employer agrees to compensate the employee for successful completion of said tasks.
If the employee violates the agreement, it is THEY who have decided they no longer wish to be a part of the company.
The problem with that is, then the employer is also obligated to live up to their end of the agreement, is he not?
Now, keep in mind, we aren't talking about a person in this thread who was fired for her performance. We are talking about a person who was fired because her boss didn't like who she voted for.
I've seen an employee of 14 years fired because she was gay.
I've seen women fired because they got pregnant.
I was personally fired (despite six years of glowing performance evaluations) because I ran up too many medical bills one year.
Now, if you are going to insist on making so many things contingent on employment, and not just garuntee every citizen health care and a job like those nasty European Socialists do. (Damn them with their higher standard of living and their longer life expectencies!) then you really should be insisting on holding the employer to his end of the agreement, should you not?
Or to put it a way even a greedy douchebag can understand. If you are a fair employer who only fires people for cause, and you are paying through the nose for unemployment insurance and taxes, the guy who is out there firing his wage slaves because he doesn't like who they are sleeping with or who they voted for is kind of acting badly at your expense, isn't he?
Stop ranting. That scenario is impossible. In order to do what you suggest, all similar items from ALL importers must have the same tariffs fixed.So Douchebag bosses can blame Obama for their douchebaggery.
This is why you need a CEO tax, or better yet, index the top marginal rate to the unemployment rate.
"Ha, Ha, I just laid off 60 people, I'm giving myself a raise."
"Ha, Ha, Your Tax rate just went up to 75%!"
Ha Ha, they just closed their doors and took their manufacturing overseas, laying off every employee in that state.
"Don't look at me, blame your government who thought they could raise corporate taxes under the flag of 'Hope and Change'. How's that change working now?"
It would work out just fine, if we treated it like the offense it was.
I have my great solution. Next time some douchebag moves his factory overseas, we slap a huge tariff on his products when they try to get them back into this country.
We also make them put "Made in CHINA" in a big font.
