Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US

[Siete]

TransCanada can't afford to buy the land from American citizens because Keystone wouldn't be cost effective .... so Boehner GIVES Americans hard earned land to the French ..

Republicans are just a bunch of sweet guys.
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[edthecynic]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

 

[Lakhota]

Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US

Not true! Where it goes - will depend on MARKET CONDITIONS at any given time.

 

[Toro]

That's very nice and all, but here in the real world, the United States imported 9.8 million barrels of oil a day last year, accounting for about half of all American consumption. Canada was the biggest exporter to the US, selling 3.1 million barrels per day to America.

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

Earlier you said we import HALF of our oil from Canada, now you say it is 1/3, were you lying then or are you lying now?

Go read it again.

One was total imports, one was net imports. Both come from the EIA.

Sorry for making this so hard for you.

 

[Toro]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

 

[Toro]

Oil Transported Through Keystone Will Be Consumed in the US

Not true! Where it goes - will depend on MARKET CONDITIONS at any given time.

And, as Obama's State Department wrote in its environmental assessment, market conditions means most of it will be consumed in the US.

 

[Dot Com]

its just not a good idea for a number of reasons

http://www.nwf.org/pdf/Global-Warming/KXL_Myths_vs_Facts.pdf

Because raw tar sands bitumen is more corrosive and abrasive than normal crude oil, the risk of a spill is greater. The Alberta pipeline system (which carries diluted bitumen, the same product planned for KXL) has had approximately sixteen times as many spills due to internal corrosion as the U.S. system. Yet, the safety and spill response standards used by the United States to regulate pipeline transport of bitumen are designed for conventional oil. To make matters worse, the industry doesn’t know how to clean up this product after a spill its unique composition means that traditional clean up techniques don’t work (for example, unlike regular oil, diluted bitumen sinks in water).

 

[Siete]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere..


and?

and Canadian trash oil hops a ride with Mexican and Venezuelan trash oil and moves to other shitholes like China.

end of story

 

[Dot Com]

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

So? Theres nothing you can do as there is nobody north of you and the nearest alternative neighbor is Mexico. Besides, 85% of your population lives on the U.S. border & that isn't just because the weather is milder. They live there because they benefit from a close relationship to this great nation (Paylin-speak )

 

[edthecynic]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

It has everything to do with the OP and nothing to do with the failure to get the KXL passed. You just don't want to admit that the primary reason for the KXL is EXPORT even when your government comes right out and says so!!!!!

 

[Toro]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere..


and?

and Canadian trash oil hops a ride with Mexican and Venezuelan trash oil and moves to other shitholes like China.

end of story

If what you and eddy posted are irrelevant to the OP, then yes, it is the end of the story.

The United States is and will continue to be by far and away the biggest importer of Oil Sands product whether Keystone is built or not.

 

[Dot Com]

Why can't Canada just double-down on things that they already do well instead of igniting this veritable powder keg of GHG's?

 

[Toro]

It has everything to do with the OP and nothing to do with the failure to get the KXL passed. You just don't want to admit that the primary reason for the KXL is EXPORT even when your government comes right out and says so!!!!!

The Canadian government saying that it should diversify its markets is not the same thing as saying most or all of Keystone's product will be sold abroad.

This isn't hard.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Why can't Canada just double-down on things that they already do well instead of igniting this veritable powder keg of GHG's?

you are dumb.

Canada is the #6 oil producing nation in the word.

List of countries by oil production - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That indicates they might be doing it pretty well.

And they are going to increase productions whether Phase IV happens or not.

 

[edthecynic]

Toro, over a year or two ago, I READ an article that went over the notes from an investor meeting of TransCanada, and these investors WERE TOLD BY TRANSCANADA that the keystone xl was specifically to transport more oil to refineries that WOULD BE SHIPPED overseas, not for USA use, and the article specifically states this was to raise their prices on oil, because it would raise their capacity to refine more oil, outside of the midwest refineries, and release the back log of oil within their soil....they also said in this report to Investors that this would also raise the price of gasoline in the Midwest states.

I saved the link for this article back then, but now, trying to go in to the link for it, it says ''This link has been REMOVED''

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere..


and?

and Canadian trash oil hops a ride with Mexican and Venezuelan trash oil and moves to other shitholes like China.

end of story

If what you and eddy posted are irrelevant to the OP, then yes, it is the end of the story.

The United States is and will continue to be by far and away the biggest importer of Oil Sands product whether Keystone is built or not.

But only if the USA is willing to pay $3.9 billion more for it, the very number given to your government by Trans Canada that the price would increase in order to justify the added cost of the KXL.

When Canadian regulators at the National Energy Board (NEB) considered the Keystone XL proposal in 2008, they asked TransCanada to justify another pipeline when there was already so much spare capacity. TransCanada conceded that Keystone XL would take oil from existing pipelines, increasing shipping costs. However, TransCanada argued that this cost would be more than offset as shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

 

[Siete]

It has everything to do with the OP and nothing to do with the failure to get the KXL passed. You just don't want to admit that the primary reason for the KXL is EXPORT even when your government comes right out and says so!!!!!

The Canadian government saying that it should diversify its markets is not the same thing as saying most or all of Keystone's product will be sold abroad.

This isn't hard.

look HoHo, we get it. You're anti American and Pro French... and no amount of logic, or factual evidence will ever chance that.

 

[edthecynic]

It has everything to do with the OP and nothing to do with the failure to get the KXL passed. You just don't want to admit that the primary reason for the KXL is EXPORT even when your government comes right out and says so!!!!!

The Canadian government saying that it should diversify its markets is not the same thing as saying most or all of Keystone's product will be sold abroad.

This isn't hard.

Again, ONLY if we are willing to pay higher prices for whatever amount is sold here.

 

[Dot Com]

Edit - I would like to read your link if you can find it somewhere.

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere..


and?

and Canadian trash oil hops a ride with Mexican and Venezuelan trash oil and moves to other shitholes like China.

end of story

If what you and eddy posted are irrelevant to the OP, then yes, it is the end of the story.

The United States is and will continue to be by far and away the biggest importer of Oil Sands product whether Keystone is built or not.

But only if the USA is willing to pay $3.9 billion more for it, the very number given to your government by Trans Canada that the price would increase in order to justify the added cost of the KXL.

When Canadian regulators at the National Energy Board (NEB) considered the Keystone XL proposal in 2008, they asked TransCanada to justify another pipeline when there was already so much spare capacity. TransCanada conceded that Keystone XL would take oil from existing pipelines, increasing shipping costs. However, TransCanada argued that this cost would be more than offset as shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

Toro should give-up while he's behind.

 

[The Rabbi]

Will this due? It is not an investor meeting but the Canadian government itself.

Canada looks to diversify oil export markets - Politics - CBC News

Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver says a big priority for his government is finding new places to sell Canadian oil other than the U.S.

Oliver is in California to attend the APEC Transportation and Energy conference, but he told reporters on a conference call that at the top of his agenda is talking about new markets.

"We export 97 per cent of our energy to the U.S. and we would like to diversify that," he said.

And?

This has nothing to do with the OP.

After Keystone, the United States is seen as a less reliable partner in Canada. It is rational for Canada to seek other markets.

Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere..


and?

and Canadian trash oil hops a ride with Mexican and Venezuelan trash oil and moves to other shitholes like China.

end of story

If what you and eddy posted are irrelevant to the OP, then yes, it is the end of the story.

The United States is and will continue to be by far and away the biggest importer of Oil Sands product whether Keystone is built or not.

But only if the USA is willing to pay $3.9 billion more for it, the very number given to your government by Trans Canada that the price would increase in order to justify the added cost of the KXL.

When Canadian regulators at the National Energy Board (NEB) considered the Keystone XL proposal in 2008, they asked TransCanada to justify another pipeline when there was already so much spare capacity. TransCanada conceded that Keystone XL would take oil from existing pipelines, increasing shipping costs. However, TransCanada argued that this cost would be more than offset as shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

Toro should give-up while he's behind.

He's beating the shit out of you. What are you talking about?

 

[Dot Com]

look HoHo, we get it. You're anti American and Pro French... and no amount of logic, or factual evidence will ever chance that.

^ that