OK gun grabbers you have your mandatory gun registration

[rightwinger]

Good God... "THE VICTIMS?" As in the person that just kicked in your front door that was about to RAPE and MURDER you?

Don't you get sick of breathing all that foul smelling air with your head up your ass?

The 26 or so families of the Newtown kids; murdered.

Here ya go, bubble head... here's your sign...

Typical NRA Propaganda

Might as well say......Criminals......rob this house if you want to arm yourself

 

[LeadRoundNose]

Bump bump bump

They won't answer they know they can't.

Maybe I can help them with some talking points and their sound effects..

Registration of the guns! (burp)

Insurance on guns! (fart)

Taxes on guns! (dribble)

Taxes on ammo! (belch)

 

[candycorn]

Bump bump bump

They won't answer they know they can't.

Maybe I can help them with some talking points and their sound effects..

Registration of the guns! (burp)

Insurance on guns! (fart)

Taxes on guns! (dribble)

Taxes on ammo! (belch)

So a family of a Newtown 6 year old has to pay for the ER care then the funeral... on top of having their kid murdered. Glad you can make a joke out of it....just goes to show what a joke of a person you are.

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

 

[LeadRoundNose]

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

Name an insurance company that is willing to do this.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Bump bump bump

They won't answer they know they can't.

Maybe I can help them with some talking points and their sound effects..

Registration of the guns! (burp)

Insurance on guns! (fart)

Taxes on guns! (dribble)

Taxes on ammo! (belch)

So a family of a Newtown 6 year old has to pay for the ER care then the funeral... on top of having their kid murdered. Glad you can make a joke out of it....just goes to show what a joke of a person you are.

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

once again how would this new law prevented those murders?

 

[candycorn]

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

Name an insurance company that is willing to do this.

Since most guns are never near a crime, it will be a huge money maker for insurance companies.

We've gotten past the squawking pussy-cut-and-paste responses and now are moving on to the "yeah but" responses that always come up.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Bump bump bump

They won't answer they know they can't.

Maybe I can help them with some talking points and their sound effects..

Registration of the guns! (burp)

Insurance on guns! (fart)

Taxes on guns! (dribble)

Taxes on ammo! (belch)

So a family of a Newtown 6 year old has to pay for the ER care then the funeral... on top of having their kid murdered. Glad you can make a joke out of it....just goes to show what a joke of a person you are.

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

that is why all Americans should be mandated to have victim insurance

criminals are not legally allowed to purchase such insurance

just as they are constitutionally exempt from firearm registration laws

 

[candycorn]

They won't answer they know they can't.

Maybe I can help them with some talking points and their sound effects..

Registration of the guns! (burp)

Insurance on guns! (fart)

Taxes on guns! (dribble)

Taxes on ammo! (belch)

So a family of a Newtown 6 year old has to pay for the ER care then the funeral... on top of having their kid murdered. Glad you can make a joke out of it....just goes to show what a joke of a person you are.

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

that is why all Americans should be mandated to have victim insurance
criminals are not legally allowed to purchase such insurance
just as they are constitutionally exempt from firearm registration laws

Nah, just liability insurance for your firearm. This will ensure that if the gun is used, there will be some financial remedy.

 

[jon_berzerk]

So a family of a Newtown 6 year old has to pay for the ER care then the funeral... on top of having their kid murdered. Glad you can make a joke out of it....just goes to show what a joke of a person you are.

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

that is why all Americans should be mandated to have victim insurance
criminals are not legally allowed to purchase such insurance
just as they are constitutionally exempt from firearm registration laws

Nah, just liability insurance for your firearm. This will ensure that if the gun is used, there will be some financial remedy.

insurances are void in criminal cases

 

[bigrebnc1775]

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

Name an insurance company that is willing to do this.

Since most guns are never near a crime, it will be a huge money maker for insurance companies.

We've gotten past the squawking pussy-cut-and-paste responses and now are moving on to the "yeah but" responses that always come up.

Would this new law prevented those deaths you use as propaganda?

 

[Abatis]

You cannot force people who are part of the muilitia to register that firearms because the exercise of the riight and the protection against registration exists independent of the militia

And so, militia framework or not, the constitution protects the right from registration.

Arms type were recorded (smoothbore musket or rifle and pistols) as set-out in the Militia Act of 1792. Of course there were no serial numbers back then but a modern law would certainly demand their inclusion and I believe that would be legitimate.

"VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.

. . .

X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States."​

An 1804 return of the militia as reported to Congress by President Jefferson:

Library of Congress

Use "Next Image" to navigate.

The accounting of arms begins on page 171

 

[LeadRoundNose]

At least insurance on the guns will compensate the victims.

Name an insurance company that is willing to do this.

Since most guns are never near a crime, it will be a huge money maker for insurance companies.

We've gotten past the squawking pussy-cut-and-paste responses and now are moving on to the "yeah but" responses that always come up.

LOL! Not after obamacare kicks in!

I don't see it as a money maker at all with the amount of gun violence that goes on in all the gun free cities like Chicago, New York and others.

Millions upon millions shelled out to pay for all the hospital bills for victims of illegal gun use.

Why would people that own guns in regions of little or no gun violence want to shell out money for insurance to pay for the folks that pass laws that INSURE that gun violence occurs?

Is this yet another wealth re-distribution scheme you liberals are so fond of?

 

[GMD52]

My question to all of these gun-grabbing individuels is this.....you are in control of the white-house, the supreme court, and the senate........yet new laws and regulations can't even get out of the offices you control.....keep whining because this Country is governed by a Constitution, and not by the emotions of some of the populace.....new gun laws and regulations would do absolutly nothing because only the law abiding faction of the Country would follow them.....WE are not the problem!

 

[jon_berzerk]

You cannot force people who are part of the muilitia to register that firearms because the exercise of the riight and the protection against registration exists independent of the militia

And so, militia framework or not, the constitution protects the right from registration.

Arms type were recorded (smoothbore musket or rifle and pistols) as set-out in the Militia Act of 1792. Of course there were no serial numbers back then but a modern law would certainly demand their inclusion and I believe that would be legitimate.

"VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.

. . .

X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States."​

An 1804 return of the militia as reported to Congress by President Jefferson:

Library of Congress

Use "Next Image" to navigate.

The accounting of arms begins on page 171

in those pages is there any page that links one firearm to one man

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You cannot force people who are part of the muilitia to register that firearms because the exercise of the riight and the protection against registration exists independent of the militia

And so, militia framework or not, the constitution protects the right from registration.

Arms type were recorded (smoothbore musket or rifle and pistols) as set-out in the Militia Act of 1792. Of course there were no serial numbers back then but a modern law would certainly demand their inclusion and I believe that would be legitimate.

"VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.

. . .

X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States."​

An 1804 return of the militia as reported to Congress by President Jefferson:

Library of Congress

Use "Next Image" to navigate.

The accounting of arms begins on page 171

No it would not be legitimate it's negating the very reason for the second amendment

 

[candycorn]

Name an insurance company that is willing to do this.

Since most guns are never near a crime, it will be a huge money maker for insurance companies.

We've gotten past the squawking pussy-cut-and-paste responses and now are moving on to the "yeah but" responses that always come up.

LOL! Not after obamacare kicks in!

I don't see it as a money maker at all with the amount of gun violence that goes on in all the gun free cities like Chicago, New York and others.

Rates would be higher there as they are in every insurance market--price differences.

Millions upon millions shelled out to pay for all the hospital bills for victims of illegal gun use.

Ahh, the classic mis-characterization. Liability insurance is a set amount; it won't be calibrated to the injury they inflict. I used to have a Jaguar. If someone ran into my car, their LI would cover, probably $25,000. Any damage above $25K, I'd have to sue them for. PI would be on top of that. There are far more car wrecks than shootings (for the time being) and liability insurance is sold everywhere for your car.

Why would people that own guns in regions of little or no gun violence want to shell out money for insurance to pay for the folks that pass laws that INSURE that gun violence occurs?

Is this yet another wealth re-distribution scheme you liberals are so fond of?

The same reason you buy auto liability insurance. It's a common sense stipulation that the State put in place to remedy a real problem.

 

[LeadRoundNose]

Obviously, you're an insurance agent in the land of la-la.

Insurance companies will only insure guns against theft (as in home owners insurance) and lawful shootings. Illegal activity is not covered by insurance.

You're assuming that insurers are jumping at the chance to insure criminal activity. I can ASSURE you they are not.

 

[Abatis]

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
So, no.

What part of what you quoted says that I believe any registration mandate is enforceable upon any citizen not enrolled in the militia?

That private individual citizens possess the right to arms without militia conditioning, for a myriad of lawful uses, does not extinguish the government's constitutionally legitimate powers over militia members performing their militia duty (see 5th Amendment for another example, grand jury rights suspended in lieu of UCMJ for crimes committed when in actual service.

What about the unorganized militia which is not connected with the regular militia and national guard?

unorganized militia = "citizen not enrolled in the militia" = "private individual citizens [who] possess the right to arms without militia conditioning, for a myriad of lawful uses"

Which ≠

"militia members performing their militia duty" for whom Art I § 8, cl's 15 & 16 applies, by way of the Militia Act of 1792.

Militia laws are not enforceable upon private citizens and their personal arms . . . Only those citizens enrolled and the arm (singular) that they intend to muster with when called to perform militia duty.

Whatever rights a citizen possesses are qualified once he comes under the command of legitimate authority, in this case being in the militia.

Do you dispute that a citizen's 5th Amendment rights are conditioned upon one's militia enrollment and deployment status?

 

[jon_berzerk]

You cannot force people who are part of the muilitia to register that firearms because the exercise of the riight and the protection against registration exists independent of the militia

And so, militia framework or not, the constitution protects the right from registration.

Arms type were recorded (smoothbore musket or rifle and pistols) as set-out in the Militia Act of 1792. Of course there were no serial numbers back then but a modern law would certainly demand their inclusion and I believe that would be legitimate.

"VI. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders for the Commander in Chief of the State to the several corps; to attend all publick reviews, when the Commander in Chief of the State shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution, and perfecting, the system of military discipline established by this Act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required; and to explain the principles of which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: All which, the several officers of the division, brigades, regiments, and battalions are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant general may be duly furnished therewith: From all which returns be shall make proper abstracts, and by the same annually before the Commander in Chief of the State.

. . .

X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States."​

An 1804 return of the militia as reported to Congress by President Jefferson:

Library of Congress

Use "Next Image" to navigate.

The accounting of arms begins on page 171

No it would not be legitimate it's negating the very reason for the second amendment

i do not see the document as an indicator of firearm registration

in the militia it could be there but i did not see one firearm linked to one guy

the premise of the militia was to be rather obscure in who had what

leaving the ability for the who to bring what when needed

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What part of what you quoted says that I believe any registration mandate is enforceable upon any citizen not enrolled in the militia?

That private individual citizens possess the right to arms without militia conditioning, for a myriad of lawful uses, does not extinguish the government's constitutionally legitimate powers over militia members performing their militia duty (see 5th Amendment for another example, grand jury rights suspended in lieu of UCMJ for crimes committed when in actual service.

What about the unorganized militia which is not connected with the regular militia and national guard?

unorganized militia = "citizen not enrolled in the militia" = "private individual citizens [who] possess the right to arms without militia conditioning, for a myriad of lawful uses"

Which ≠

"militia members performing their militia duty" for whom Art I § 8, cl's 15 & 16 applies, by way of the Militia Act of 1792.

Militia laws are not enforceable upon private citizens and their personal arms . . . Only those citizens enrolled and the arm (singular) that they intend to muster with when called to perform militia duty.

Whatever rights a citizen possesses are qualified once he comes under the command of legitimate authority, in this case being in the militia.

Do you dispute that a citizen's 5th Amendment rights are conditioned upon one's militia enrollment and deployment status?

10 U.S. CODE § 311 - MILITIA: COMPOSITION AND CLASSES
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.