OK...Let's Get Real Serious For A Minute

[Freewill]

Are you sure the US Ambassador who requested additional security was drawing hazardous duty pay?

Now that you have counted the Iraq deaths, how about the KIA in Afghanistan on Obama's watch?

Cheney donated gains from his Halliburton stock to Charity.

Do you have any more lies from the Liar in Chief to tell?

Horse Shitttt!!!!! I'd like to see a source on that one.

Live with it!! There was no reason to invade Iraq. Saddam Hussein had never done a thing to harm our country. The mistake he made was trying to assassinate George H. W. Bush in Qatar in 1993. That's OK....4500 dead young Americans later Texas justice had been served. You people are so goddamned two faced. Not once have you ever acknowledged the failed wars, the failed economy, Bush tax cuts for the rich while he doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to $12 trillion. Republicans are like a bunch of street killers with short memories.

Obama ended Bush's wars and took an economy which was bleeding 700,000 jobs a month and an unemployment rate of over 7% to a 5% rate announced this week after 67 months of continuous job growth. I might also mention that the DOW Jones index has doubled under Obama. I know that from a personal position because my wife and I have cleared over $100,000, put it in the bank and moved our savings back into fixed investments. Screw Republican administrations. All they've ever done for ordinary working Americans beginning with Reagan in 1981 is funnel more borrowed money to the richest Americans in the form of tax cuts. I wish some fourth grader would sit down with you people and explain that if you cut taxes you should cut spending proportionately....it's obvious you know nothing about that:

..........................Total U S Debt...........................
(These figures are from the bureau of the debt and can be easily verified)

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
(Bill Clinton Raised Top Marginal Tax Rates)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Perhaps you should thank Bush for the tax cuts helped you put those savings to work since he cut taxes for every single taxpayer, not just the rich.

You may want to take the reasons for the invasion of Iraq up with the US Congress and the UN that voted for it and considered it justified.

On edit: Here is a link to Cheney and his donation to charity.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan
Also I will add, Obama didn't end the Iraq war. He was merely in office and administered the Bush agreement that was passed before he took office.

Well excuse me.....Fox News rambles on 24/7 about how Obama pulled out of Iraq, created a vacuum and how now we're having to live with ISIS

Actually I doubt they go on 24/7 about something that isn't true. What they could be going on about is how Obama created the power vacuum in Libya and is helped greatly in Syria which indeed lead to ISIS. Iraq still has the same government, no vacuum created.

If you don't like this one I can quickly find you some more:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Barack-Obama-Iraq-troops/2015/06/10/id/649788/#ixzz3qrB1tUgJ


"President Barack Obama's action to pull all troops out of Iraq was "the worst decision so far of the 21st century," Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday, and led to the formation of the Islamic State (ISIS).

"ISIS is a complete product of his taking our troops out of there," the former New York City mayor told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Nature abhors a vacuum: It's not a cliché; it's a reality."

You quote newsmax about what an ex-mayor had to say? And that is your proof of Fox 24/7, really?

 

[whitehall]

I thought we already addressed this left wing idiotic blog. It is the responsibility of American citizens to respond to the negligence or potential negligence of the federal government. Does the radical left think Americans are required to criticize the freaking Russian government as some kind of convoluted equal blame tour? You gotta be kidding.

 

[FA_Q2]

What is this continuing whining about Obama all about?

What has he been blamed for? Obamacare? All his so he should be blamed. Syria, Libya, Iraz, Iran... all him, you know the buck stops here.

Benghazi? People died and he lied, that is proved beyond a doubt. So again it is all him, who else is president and lied to us. And it is not like Beghazi was the only attack on a diplomatic facility during Obama's reign. Benghazi is different.

What is pitiful is what the left wants to give him credit for, like the unemployment rate. The ship on him taking credit for that passed many years ago and many trillions of dollars.

Obama is getting blamed, rightfully for things that he should be blamed, the left just creates a meme running a cover story.

You peckerheads keep hammering away about four deaths of people who were drawing hazardous duty pay from the government and were serving full knowledge of the danger. Get Screwed Benghazi!!

American Military Casualties in Iraq:

American Deaths during Bush Years 4493
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09) 256
American Wounded Official 32021

'Course a bunch of dead soldiers are expected and anticipated while Republicans are doing their tricks. Cheney cleared $25,000,000 from his holdings in Halliburton during the turmoil in Iraq!! Soldiers need barracks and food and those are Halliburton specialties.

And the left is placing a candidate up as their top dog who voted for the Iraq war as well. That is ignored though - not a big deal.

 

[Campbell]

Horse Shitttt!!!!! I'd like to see a source on that one.

Live with it!! There was no reason to invade Iraq. Saddam Hussein had never done a thing to harm our country. The mistake he made was trying to assassinate George H. W. Bush in Qatar in 1993. That's OK....4500 dead young Americans later Texas justice had been served. You people are so goddamned two faced. Not once have you ever acknowledged the failed wars, the failed economy, Bush tax cuts for the rich while he doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to $12 trillion. Republicans are like a bunch of street killers with short memories.

Obama ended Bush's wars and took an economy which was bleeding 700,000 jobs a month and an unemployment rate of over 7% to a 5% rate announced this week after 67 months of continuous job growth. I might also mention that the DOW Jones index has doubled under Obama. I know that from a personal position because my wife and I have cleared over $100,000, put it in the bank and moved our savings back into fixed investments. Screw Republican administrations. All they've ever done for ordinary working Americans beginning with Reagan in 1981 is funnel more borrowed money to the richest Americans in the form of tax cuts. I wish some fourth grader would sit down with you people and explain that if you cut taxes you should cut spending proportionately....it's obvious you know nothing about that:

..........................Total U S Debt...........................
(These figures are from the bureau of the debt and can be easily verified)

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
(Bill Clinton Raised Top Marginal Tax Rates)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Perhaps you should thank Bush for the tax cuts helped you put those savings to work since he cut taxes for every single taxpayer, not just the rich.

You may want to take the reasons for the invasion of Iraq up with the US Congress and the UN that voted for it and considered it justified.

On edit: Here is a link to Cheney and his donation to charity.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan
Also I will add, Obama didn't end the Iraq war. He was merely in office and administered the Bush agreement that was passed before he took office.

Well excuse me.....Fox News rambles on 24/7 about how Obama pulled out of Iraq, created a vacuum and how now we're having to live with ISIS

Actually I doubt they go on 24/7 about something that isn't true. What they could be going on about is how Obama created the power vacuum in Libya and is helped greatly in Syria which indeed lead to ISIS. Iraq still has the same government, no vacuum created.

If you don't like this one I can quickly find you some more:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Barack-Obama-Iraq-troops/2015/06/10/id/649788/#ixzz3qrB1tUgJ


"President Barack Obama's action to pull all troops out of Iraq was "the worst decision so far of the 21st century," Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday, and led to the formation of the Islamic State (ISIS).

"ISIS is a complete product of his taking our troops out of there," the former New York City mayor told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Nature abhors a vacuum: It's not a cliché; it's a reality."

You quote newsmax about what an ex-mayor had to say? And that is your proof of Fox 24/7, really?

Fox has hammered the president continuously about his pulling out of Iraq:
President Obama may be reversing course on Iraq involvement

EXCLUSIVE: The Army’s top officer told Fox News Tuesday it’s “frustrating” to watch the gains he helped achieve in Iraq disintegrate at the hands of the Islamic State, saying in an exit interview that the chaos now unfolding “might have been prevented” had the U.S. stayed.

"Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees"

Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees

The bottom line is that we should have never been there in the first place. The Iraqi government never asked us to come nor did they expect us to invade. They were a soverign nation and the only reason 4500 young Americans died there was the Texas cowboy's revenge for Saddam Hussein trying to assassinate old man Bush41 in Qatar circa 1993.

 

[Freewill]

Perhaps you should thank Bush for the tax cuts helped you put those savings to work since he cut taxes for every single taxpayer, not just the rich.

You may want to take the reasons for the invasion of Iraq up with the US Congress and the UN that voted for it and considered it justified.

On edit: Here is a link to Cheney and his donation to charity.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan
Also I will add, Obama didn't end the Iraq war. He was merely in office and administered the Bush agreement that was passed before he took office.

Well excuse me.....Fox News rambles on 24/7 about how Obama pulled out of Iraq, created a vacuum and how now we're having to live with ISIS

Actually I doubt they go on 24/7 about something that isn't true. What they could be going on about is how Obama created the power vacuum in Libya and is helped greatly in Syria which indeed lead to ISIS. Iraq still has the same government, no vacuum created.

If you don't like this one I can quickly find you some more:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Barack-Obama-Iraq-troops/2015/06/10/id/649788/#ixzz3qrB1tUgJ


"President Barack Obama's action to pull all troops out of Iraq was "the worst decision so far of the 21st century," Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday, and led to the formation of the Islamic State (ISIS).

"ISIS is a complete product of his taking our troops out of there," the former New York City mayor told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Nature abhors a vacuum: It's not a cliché; it's a reality."

You quote newsmax about what an ex-mayor had to say? And that is your proof of Fox 24/7, really?

Fox has hammered the president continuously about his pulling out of Iraq:
President Obama may be reversing course on Iraq involvement

EXCLUSIVE: The Army’s top officer told Fox News Tuesday it’s “frustrating” to watch the gains he helped achieve in Iraq disintegrate at the hands of the Islamic State, saying in an exit interview that the chaos now unfolding “might have been prevented” had the U.S. stayed.

"Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees"

Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees

The bottom line is that we should have never been there in the first place. The Iraqi government never asked us to come nor did they expect us to invade. They were a soverign nation and the only reason 4500 young Americans died there was the Texas cowboy's revenge for Saddam Hussein trying to assassinate old man Bush41 in Qatar circa 1993.

Is that really covered 24/7 coverage?

Here is what CNN had to report back in 2007

• Experts paint bleak picture of Iraq if U.S. troops fully withdraw
• Among potential scenarios: al Qaeda terror hub and larger regional conflict
• CNN analyst: "Saudi Arabia will not allow increasing Iranian dominance"
• U.S. general says early pullout would cause "huge vacuum"

Funny how their coverage stopped in 2009, funny but not surprising.

No safe way for U.S. to leave Iraq, experts warn - CNN.com

 

[Freewill]

What is this continuing whining about Obama all about?

What has he been blamed for? Obamacare? All his so he should be blamed. Syria, Libya, Iraz, Iran... all him, you know the buck stops here.

Benghazi? People died and he lied, that is proved beyond a doubt. So again it is all him, who else is president and lied to us. And it is not like Beghazi was the only attack on a diplomatic facility during Obama's reign. Benghazi is different.

What is pitiful is what the left wants to give him credit for, like the unemployment rate. The ship on him taking credit for that passed many years ago and many trillions of dollars.

Obama is getting blamed, rightfully for things that he should be blamed, the left just creates a meme running a cover story.

You peckerheads keep hammering away about four deaths of people who were drawing hazardous duty pay from the government and were serving full knowledge of the danger. Get Screwed Benghazi!!

American Military Casualties in Iraq:

American Deaths during Bush Years 4493
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09) 256
American Wounded Official 32021

'Course a bunch of dead soldiers are expected and anticipated while Republicans are doing their tricks. Cheney cleared $25,000,000 from his holdings in Halliburton during the turmoil in Iraq!! Soldiers need barracks and food and those are Halliburton specialties.

And the left is placing a candidate up as their top dog who voted for the Iraq war as well. That is ignored though - not a big deal.

Certainly being married to an ex-president who said the exact same things as Bush would not giver her any sort of insider information.

 

[Campbell]

What is this continuing whining about Obama all about?

What has he been blamed for? Obamacare? All his so he should be blamed. Syria, Libya, Iraz, Iran... all him, you know the buck stops here.

Benghazi? People died and he lied, that is proved beyond a doubt. So again it is all him, who else is president and lied to us. And it is not like Beghazi was the only attack on a diplomatic facility during Obama's reign. Benghazi is different.

What is pitiful is what the left wants to give him credit for, like the unemployment rate. The ship on him taking credit for that passed many years ago and many trillions of dollars.

Obama is getting blamed, rightfully for things that he should be blamed, the left just creates a meme running a cover story.

You peckerheads keep hammering away about four deaths of people who were drawing hazardous duty pay from the government and were serving full knowledge of the danger. Get Screwed Benghazi!!

American Military Casualties in Iraq:

American Deaths during Bush Years 4493
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09) 256
American Wounded Official 32021

'Course a bunch of dead soldiers are expected and anticipated while Republicans are doing their tricks. Cheney cleared $25,000,000 from his holdings in Halliburton during the turmoil in Iraq!! Soldiers need barracks and food and those are Halliburton specialties.

And the left is placing a candidate up as their top dog who voted for the Iraq war as well. That is ignored though - not a big deal.

I guess you didn't get in on the absolute all out campaign conducted by the Bush administration which told 935 lies to everyone in this country to gain support for an invasion. If you doubt that the Republicans were on a mission to removed Saddam Hussein from office how about taking a minute and reading this letter they wrote to Bill Clinton:

December 18, 1998


The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course
for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the
magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey
Robert B. Zoellick

 

[FA_Q2]

What is this continuing whining about Obama all about?

What has he been blamed for? Obamacare? All his so he should be blamed. Syria, Libya, Iraz, Iran... all him, you know the buck stops here.

Benghazi? People died and he lied, that is proved beyond a doubt. So again it is all him, who else is president and lied to us. And it is not like Beghazi was the only attack on a diplomatic facility during Obama's reign. Benghazi is different.

What is pitiful is what the left wants to give him credit for, like the unemployment rate. The ship on him taking credit for that passed many years ago and many trillions of dollars.

Obama is getting blamed, rightfully for things that he should be blamed, the left just creates a meme running a cover story.

You peckerheads keep hammering away about four deaths of people who were drawing hazardous duty pay from the government and were serving full knowledge of the danger. Get Screwed Benghazi!!

American Military Casualties in Iraq:

American Deaths during Bush Years 4493
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09) 256
American Wounded Official 32021

'Course a bunch of dead soldiers are expected and anticipated while Republicans are doing their tricks. Cheney cleared $25,000,000 from his holdings in Halliburton during the turmoil in Iraq!! Soldiers need barracks and food and those are Halliburton specialties.

And the left is placing a candidate up as their top dog who voted for the Iraq war as well. That is ignored though - not a big deal.

I guess you didn't get in on the absolute all out campaign conducted by the Bush administration which told 935 lies to everyone in this country to gain support for an invasion. If you doubt that the Republicans were on a mission to removed Saddam Hussein from office how about taking a minute and reading this letter they wrote to Bill Clinton:

December 18, 1998


The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course
for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the
magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey
Robert B. Zoellick

Yes, yes. We know. Excuse after excuse.

 

[Campbell]

What is this continuing whining about Obama all about?

What has he been blamed for? Obamacare? All his so he should be blamed. Syria, Libya, Iraz, Iran... all him, you know the buck stops here.

Benghazi? People died and he lied, that is proved beyond a doubt. So again it is all him, who else is president and lied to us. And it is not like Beghazi was the only attack on a diplomatic facility during Obama's reign. Benghazi is different.

What is pitiful is what the left wants to give him credit for, like the unemployment rate. The ship on him taking credit for that passed many years ago and many trillions of dollars.

Obama is getting blamed, rightfully for things that he should be blamed, the left just creates a meme running a cover story.

You peckerheads keep hammering away about four deaths of people who were drawing hazardous duty pay from the government and were serving full knowledge of the danger. Get Screwed Benghazi!!

American Military Casualties in Iraq:

American Deaths during Bush Years 4493
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09) 256
American Wounded Official 32021

'Course a bunch of dead soldiers are expected and anticipated while Republicans are doing their tricks. Cheney cleared $25,000,000 from his holdings in Halliburton during the turmoil in Iraq!! Soldiers need barracks and food and those are Halliburton specialties.

And the left is placing a candidate up as their top dog who voted for the Iraq war as well. That is ignored though - not a big deal.

I guess you didn't get in on the absolute all out campaign conducted by the Bush administration which told 935 lies to everyone in this country to gain support for an invasion. If you doubt that the Republicans were on a mission to removed Saddam Hussein from office how about taking a minute and reading this letter they wrote to Bill Clinton:

December 18, 1998


The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course
for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the
magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey
Robert B. Zoellick

Yes, yes. We know. Excuse after excuse.

Excuse For What??

The goddamned lying Republicans are the ones who should be trying to make up an excuse. One more time for the teen agers...."Saddam Hussein had done nothing to the United States of America." Now, one more thing...."There Were No Weapons Of Mass Destruction!!"

 

[TooTall]

Perhaps you should thank Bush for the tax cuts helped you put those savings to work since he cut taxes for every single taxpayer, not just the rich.

You may want to take the reasons for the invasion of Iraq up with the US Congress and the UN that voted for it and considered it justified.

On edit: Here is a link to Cheney and his donation to charity.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-did-Dick-Cheney-make-from-the-wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan
Also I will add, Obama didn't end the Iraq war. He was merely in office and administered the Bush agreement that was passed before he took office.

Well excuse me.....Fox News rambles on 24/7 about how Obama pulled out of Iraq, created a vacuum and how now we're having to live with ISIS

Actually I doubt they go on 24/7 about something that isn't true. What they could be going on about is how Obama created the power vacuum in Libya and is helped greatly in Syria which indeed lead to ISIS. Iraq still has the same government, no vacuum created.

If you don't like this one I can quickly find you some more:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Barack-Obama-Iraq-troops/2015/06/10/id/649788/#ixzz3qrB1tUgJ


"President Barack Obama's action to pull all troops out of Iraq was "the worst decision so far of the 21st century," Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday, and led to the formation of the Islamic State (ISIS).

"ISIS is a complete product of his taking our troops out of there," the former New York City mayor told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Nature abhors a vacuum: It's not a cliché; it's a reality."

You quote newsmax about what an ex-mayor had to say? And that is your proof of Fox 24/7, really?

Fox has hammered the president continuously about his pulling out of Iraq:
President Obama may be reversing course on Iraq involvement

EXCLUSIVE: The Army’s top officer told Fox News Tuesday it’s “frustrating” to watch the gains he helped achieve in Iraq disintegrate at the hands of the Islamic State, saying in an exit interview that the chaos now unfolding “might have been prevented” had the U.S. stayed.

"Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees"

Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees

The bottom line is that we should have never been there in the first place. The Iraqi government never asked us to come nor did they expect us to invade. They were a soverign nation and the only reason 4500 young Americans died there was the Texas cowboy's revenge for Saddam Hussein trying to assassinate old man Bush41 in Qatar circa 1993.

And all the time I thought Bush got the US Congress and the UN to agree with him. and, I don't recall him using these quotes by leading Democrats to justify it, but he may have.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

 

[g5000]

If the plane which went down in Egypt had been an international flight which originated in the United States the Right would already be screaming, "It's Obama's Fault!"

Tell Me!!!! Was this one Putin's fault?

I have absolutely no doubt that if the plane which blew up was a US-bound plane with hundreds of US citizens on board, the right wing propaganda media machine would have had the rubes bleeving Obama himself planted the bomb on board within 24 hours of its downing.

No doubt at all.

But since it was a Russian plane, the rubes are sucking off Putin and asking where they can buy a T-shirt.

It's beyond bizarre. This is a whole new brand of crazy for which a new word is going to be needed to be invented.

 

[bedowin62]

If the plane which went down in Egypt had been an international flight which originated in the United States the Right would already be screaming, "It's Obama's Fault!"

Tell Me!!!! Was this one Putin's fault?

I have absolutely no doubt that if the plane which blew up was an America-bound plane with hundreds of US citizens on board, the right wing propaganda media machine would have the rubes bleeving Obama himself planted the bomb on board within 24 hours of its downing.

cuz people you disagree with live rent-free in your self-deluding mind idiot

every day, every day

 

[g5000]

bedowin probably thinks he is speaking in English.

 

[TooTall]

If the plane which went down in Egypt had been an international flight which originated in the United States the Right would already be screaming, "It's Obama's Fault!"

Tell Me!!!! Was this one Putin's fault?

I have absolutely no doubt that if the plane which blew up was a US-bound plane with hundreds of US citizens on board, the right wing propaganda media machine would have had the rubes bleeving Obama himself planted the bomb on board within 24 hours of its downing.

No doubt at all.

But since it was a Russian plane, the rubes are sucking off Putin and asking where they can buy a T-shirt.

It's beyond bizarre. This is a whole new brand of crazy for which a new word is going to be needed to be invented.

I have no doubt at all that you are borderline insane.

 

[g5000]

If the plane which went down in Egypt had been an international flight which originated in the United States the Right would already be screaming, "It's Obama's Fault!"

Tell Me!!!! Was this one Putin's fault?

When the Putin fellaters got wet between the legs over the news that Putin was sending in aircraft to fight ISIS, here is what I said:

You people do realize Putin has no intention of wiping out ISIS, right?

He is there to kill as many men, women, and children as it takes to keep Assad in power.

This is going to blow back in his face. Most of the Muslims in the Russian sphere of influence are Sunnis, and by aligning himself with Assad and Iran, Putin is teaming up with Shias. You can expect some Sunni terrorism in Russia as a result of Putin's intervention.

Your Obama fixations have made you blind to reality. This has nothing to do with Obama. You people are fucking retarded.

 

[TNHarley]

Was it Putin's fault?

My answer is no, I have little regard for the thoughts of those that transfer blame for irresponsible acts of cowards onto others.

Does Russia have a vital national security interest that justifies being militarily involved in Syria?

When have we? People help their friends.. And since Assad is giving Vlad what he wants, he will keep him in power.

 

[BlindBoo]

No, they'll still blame President Obama.

 

[Tehon]

Was it Putin's fault?

My answer is no, I have little regard for the thoughts of those that transfer blame for irresponsible acts of cowards onto others.

Does Russia have a vital national security interest that justifies being militarily involved in Syria?

Of course they do. Russia is being threatened by the US. First, the US is attempting to weaken Russia by isolating them from their historical partners, just as was done in Ukraine. Second, the US's willingness to use terrorist armies to achieve its goals presents Russia with a huge problem. They already have a troubled past dealing with terrorism and don't have the luxury of being separated from the troubled region (Syria) by oceans.

 

[BlindBoo]

Bush left the option of leaving a small contingent of troops in Iraq

There was no option for that in the SOFA President Bush Sign at the end of 2008.

 

[BlindBoo]

Well excuse me.....Fox News rambles on 24/7 about how Obama pulled out of Iraq, created a vacuum and how now we're having to live with ISIS

Actually I doubt they go on 24/7 about something that isn't true. What they could be going on about is how Obama created the power vacuum in Libya and is helped greatly in Syria which indeed lead to ISIS. Iraq still has the same government, no vacuum created.

If you don't like this one I can quickly find you some more:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Barack-Obama-Iraq-troops/2015/06/10/id/649788/#ixzz3qrB1tUgJ


"President Barack Obama's action to pull all troops out of Iraq was "the worst decision so far of the 21st century," Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday, and led to the formation of the Islamic State (ISIS).

"ISIS is a complete product of his taking our troops out of there," the former New York City mayor told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Nature abhors a vacuum: It's not a cliché; it's a reality."

You quote newsmax about what an ex-mayor had to say? And that is your proof of Fox 24/7, really?

Fox has hammered the president continuously about his pulling out of Iraq:
President Obama may be reversing course on Iraq involvement

EXCLUSIVE: The Army’s top officer told Fox News Tuesday it’s “frustrating” to watch the gains he helped achieve in Iraq disintegrate at the hands of the Islamic State, saying in an exit interview that the chaos now unfolding “might have been prevented” had the U.S. stayed.

"Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees"

Bill O'Reilly Blames Obama And Troop Withdrawal From Iraq For Mass Migration Of Syrian Refugees

The bottom line is that we should have never been there in the first place. The Iraqi government never asked us to come nor did they expect us to invade. They were a soverign nation and the only reason 4500 young Americans died there was the Texas cowboy's revenge for Saddam Hussein trying to assassinate old man Bush41 in Qatar circa 1993.

And all the time I thought Bush got the US Congress and the UN to agree with him. and, I don't recall him using these quotes by leading Democrats to justify it, but he may have.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

Not one of those made the decision to invade and occupy Iraq.

Kerry also said this in the same speech.:
"In U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the United Nations has now affirmed that Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing. But the burden is also clearly on the Bush Administration to do the hard work of building a broad coalition at the U.N. and the necessary work of educating America about the rationale for war.

As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent action.

The Administration must pass this test. I believe they must take the time to do the hard work of diplomacy. They must do a better job of making their case to the American people and to the world."