Okay.....Will An Apology Get You Off Of My Fat Ass?

[JoeB131]

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That's what YOU'RE fussing about. Most Americans kind of don't care.

Again, you guys have cried wolf so many times, no one believes you.

That's why I question if you had a clearance and the combination to the arms vault, like you claim. You would be dumb enough to pass it around to your buddies over a few beers to show how "smart" you are, and the next thing anybody knew, 4.2" mortar rounds would be going off all over the post like it was the fourth of July.

Guy, why are you trying to deflect from the subject? The subject was not a combination to an arms vault.

The subject is you guys are claiming this was a BIG SCANDAL.

Just like the cattle futures, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Vince Foster's sucide, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the Travel Office Firings, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the FBI Files in the White House, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Monica, which turned out to be nothing.

You see a pattern here, guy? YOu claim up and down that these "secrets' (things some bureaucrat put a classification on AFTER it was in the media), but for some reason, normal people who don't hate Hillary are yawning.

Meanwhile, your party has been taken over by Reality TV Circus Clowns.

 

[Care4all]

They were classified from the beginning, and Hillary's staff stripped the markings...

I just wonder which former staff members will come up on charges and decide to roll on Hillary to avoid spending the rest of their life in prison.

Guy, I've been watching you wingnuts for 25 years saying "We've got this bitch now!!!" and coming up empty. frankly, you guys have the track record of Wile E. Coyote.

Actually, Bill was caught committing perjury (he lost his law license), the Clintons had to pay damages for Bill's sexual abuse, and quite a few of the Clinton's cronies went to prison...

Probably the only thing that saved the Clintons then was Hillary's all-night shredding party at the Rose Law Firm...

But thankfully, their good buddy Al Gore invented the internet, so Hillary left copies of shit everywhere this time... All the FBI has to do is track them down!!!!

Why did all the republicans in the Senate vote for her as Secretary of state if they thought she was a criminal, huh?

The answer is,

They didn't.

 

[Care4all]

I'll give you props for actually doing a little research.

You should have probably read and understood it, however. It doesn't apply at all.

I've done research, and I also spent 7 years with a security clearance in the military...

And you???

Seems that everyone that posts here has a "security clearance in the military". Yet they post that they have these credentials. Funny thing is, I've actually worked with fellows that have these clearances and they don't disclose that openly..

Gee, you DO know it's a known fact that some jobs require a clearance, right??

The import part is safeguarding the information that's entrusted to you, and Hillary didn't...

the issue is why she did it. What her intentions were. The time will come where she will need to give a credible reason as to why she used a private server. So far she has given two reasons....both proven to be false...

1) She wanted to have only one device. Proven false by the fact that the least knowledgeable tech guy would know that more than one server can feed into one device at the same time.

2) She was too busy concentrating on world issues to deal with setting up her email. Proven false seeing as most "new employees" have nothing to do with setting up their email and the only time they get involved is if they request something out of the ordinary...so she was MORE involved in setting up her email by using her own server than she would have been using the official server.

So it begs the question of "what was your intent. Why did you do it".

If it can be proven that she did it to keep hand picked emails from public scrutiny (publi8c records act), it will get ugly for her.

And to be frank...that is the only reason I can come up with.

I believe she mingled personal and official on purpose to give her cover for deleting things she didn't want seen.

 

[Obiwan]

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That's what YOU'RE fussing about. Most Americans kind of don't care.

Again, you guys have cried wolf so many times, no one believes you.

That's why I question if you had a clearance and the combination to the arms vault, like you claim. You would be dumb enough to pass it around to your buddies over a few beers to show how "smart" you are, and the next thing anybody knew, 4.2" mortar rounds would be going off all over the post like it was the fourth of July.

Guy, why are you trying to deflect from the subject? The subject was not a combination to an arms vault.

The subject is you guys are claiming this was a BIG SCANDAL.

Just like the cattle futures, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Vince Foster's sucide, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the Travel Office Firings, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the FBI Files in the White House, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Monica, which turned out to be nothing.

You see a pattern here, guy? YOu claim up and down that these "secrets' (things some bureaucrat put a classification on AFTER it was in the media), but for some reason, normal people who don't hate Hillary are yawning.

Meanwhile, your party has been taken over by Reality TV Circus Clowns.

Latest Clinton email release reportedly contains 57 threads with 'born classified' information

 

[JoeB131]

Fox News? That's kind of desperate of you...

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

So why you might have some low level bureaucrat who will get his meal card stamped "No Dessert", this will be another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

 

[Obiwan]

Fox News? That's kind of desperate of you...

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

So why you might have some low level bureaucrat who will get his meal card stamped "No Dessert", this will be another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

But you tend to ignore the fact that Hillary didn't have the authority to declassify the information....

She committed multiple felonies that would land anyone else in Leavenworth, and she's not above the law...

Of course, when you demonstrate no knowledge of how to deal with classified information, you can condone that behavior, right???

 

[JoeB131]

But you tend to ignore the fact that Hillary didn't have the authority to declassify the information....

She committed multiple felonies that would land anyone else in Leavenworth, and she's not above the law...

Of course, when you demonstrate no knowledge of how to deal with classified information, you can condone that behavior, right???

Guy, the supposedly "Classified" information was "George Mitchell had a conversation with the Spanish PM and they talked about the Palestinians". A meeting that was reported in the press.

But technically under rules, wow, yeah, this supposedly gets a "classified" rating becuase it repeated what a foreign leader said.

In the real world, no one gives a fuck. Truly.

Hey, once more- here's a crazy idea. How about giving me a good reason to vote for one of YOUR guys.

Karl Rove should have gone to prison by the standard you just laid down. He revealed the name of a CIA operative to the press. Forget her name was already in the public domain, the fact is, it was a "secret".

Karl Rove didn't go to jail. Petreaus didn't go to jail. Hillary isn't going to suffer any fallout.

 

[Obiwan]

But you tend to ignore the fact that Hillary didn't have the authority to declassify the information....

She committed multiple felonies that would land anyone else in Leavenworth, and she's not above the law...

Of course, when you demonstrate no knowledge of how to deal with classified information, you can condone that behavior, right???

Guy, the supposedly "Classified" information was "George Mitchell had a conversation with the Spanish PM and they talked about the Palestinians". A meeting that was reported in the press.

But technically under rules, wow, yeah, this supposedly gets a "classified" rating becuase it repeated what a foreign leader said.

In the real world, no one gives a fuck. Truly.

Hey, once more- here's a crazy idea. How about giving me a good reason to vote for one of YOUR guys.

Karl Rove should have gone to prison by the standard you just laid down. He revealed the name of a CIA operative to the press. Forget her name was already in the public domain, the fact is, it was a "secret".

Karl Rove didn't go to jail. Petreaus didn't go to jail. Hillary isn't going to suffer any fallout.

If you think the fact that an old socialist and a fruitcake that likes to paw all over underage girls are both about to beat her in the polls amounts to "no fallout", then more power to you....

Are you sure you didn't get out on a Section 8???

 

[JoeB131]

If you think the fact that an old socialist and a fruitcake that likes to paw all over underage girls are both about to beat her in the polls amounts to "no fallout", then more power to you....

Are you sure you didn't get out on a Section 8???

Guy, I don't believe Sanders is going to be the Democratic nominee any more than I think Trump or Carson will be the GOP nominee (and they are both polling better than Sanders.)

Biden might have a chance, because he's vice president, and nearly every sitting VP who has sought the nomination has gotten it. But I don't think he's going to run.

This is the silly season where no one is actually being called on to vote, so they can tell pollsters whatever.

Get back to me when the primaries start.

I stand by my prediction. When all the dust settles, it's going to be Hillary vs. Jeb and we will hear a lot of whining about dynasties and shit.

 

[JoeB131]

ALso, it's kind of pathetic that your best hope for beating Hillary is hoping that Democrats reject her.

Hey, remember the last time that happened? You got stuck with Obama. How'd that work out for you again? Given all the 'OH MY GOD, HE'S A MUSLIM" threads I see here, I'm saying, not well.

 

[Redfish]

The Intelligence community says they were classified...

Maybe you can call them and ask for a copy....

"The Intelligence Community" works for the Executive Branch. Not the other way around.

I missed the "I'm the Executive Branch, I can mishandle classified info" exemption in the law.
Could you find the link for that? Thanks!

Sure.

It's called "They classify the information in the first place".

Got it?

Need a link?


Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

It's in English.

Data or information does not have to be marked "top secret" in order to BE "top secret". She knew what types of data were classified and she ignored those regulations. If any other person with a security clearance did what she did they would already be serving a long jail sentence.

I held a top secret clearance for many years. I know the rules and I would be in jail today if I did what she did.

Well yeah, it kinda does.

And sometimes THAT isn't even enough.

SEE: Valerie Plame.

No, it does not have to be marked in order to be classified. The nature of the data is what makes it top secret, not the markings on it.

HRC violated national security regulations. She should be indicted just as you or I would be if we had done the same thing.

Whether you like it or not, the Clintons are not exempt from our laws.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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That's what YOU'RE fussing about. Most Americans kind of don't care.

Again, you guys have cried wolf so many times, no one believes you.

That's why I question if you had a clearance and the combination to the arms vault, like you claim. You would be dumb enough to pass it around to your buddies over a few beers to show how "smart" you are, and the next thing anybody knew, 4.2" mortar rounds would be going off all over the post like it was the fourth of July.

Guy, why are you trying to deflect from the subject? The subject was not a combination to an arms vault.

The subject is you guys are claiming this was a BIG SCANDAL.

Just like the cattle futures, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Vince Foster's sucide, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the Travel Office Firings, which turned out to be nothing.
Or the FBI Files in the White House, which turned out to be nothing.
Or Monica, which turned out to be nothing.

You see a pattern here, guy? YOu claim up and down that these "secrets' (things some bureaucrat put a classification on AFTER it was in the media), but for some reason, normal people who don't hate Hillary are yawning.

Meanwhile, your party has been taken over by Reality TV Circus Clowns.

Just like the cattle futures, which turned out to be nothing.

A $100,000 bribe was nothing? Well, compared to the more recent Clinton bribes, it seems small.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fox News? That's kind of desperate of you...

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

So why you might have some low level bureaucrat who will get his meal card stamped "No Dessert", this will be another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

Even the smartest, coolest woman in the world isn't allowed to mishandle classified info or decide what has been misclassified before mishandling it.

another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

The laws are just for the little people, am I right?

 

[Sallow]

Fox News? That's kind of desperate of you...

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

So why you might have some low level bureaucrat who will get his meal card stamped "No Dessert", this will be another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

Even the smartest, coolest woman in the world isn't allowed to mishandle classified info or decide what has been misclassified before mishandling it.

another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

The laws are just for the little people, am I right?

Ronald Reagan thought so..

So did Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

 

[Sallow]

"The Intelligence Community" works for the Executive Branch. Not the other way around.

I missed the "I'm the Executive Branch, I can mishandle classified info" exemption in the law.
Could you find the link for that? Thanks!

Sure.

It's called "They classify the information in the first place".

Got it?

Need a link?


Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

It's in English.

Data or information does not have to be marked "top secret" in order to BE "top secret". She knew what types of data were classified and she ignored those regulations. If any other person with a security clearance did what she did they would already be serving a long jail sentence.

I held a top secret clearance for many years. I know the rules and I would be in jail today if I did what she did.

Well yeah, it kinda does.

And sometimes THAT isn't even enough.

SEE: Valerie Plame.

No, it does not have to be marked in order to be classified. The nature of the data is what makes it top secret, not the markings on it.

HRC violated national security regulations. She should be indicted just as you or I would be if we had done the same thing.

Whether you like it or not, the Clintons are not exempt from our laws.

Except she didn't violate any regulations or laws.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fox News? That's kind of desperate of you...

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

So why you might have some low level bureaucrat who will get his meal card stamped "No Dessert", this will be another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

Again, the government classifies a lot of stuff as "Secret" when it shouldn't be.

Even the smartest, coolest woman in the world isn't allowed to mishandle classified info or decide what has been misclassified before mishandling it.

another tired "Clinton Scandal" that gets you guys worked up, but no one else cares about.

The laws are just for the little people, am I right?

Ronald Reagan thought so..

So did Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.

They mishandled classified info on a private server?

 

[Jarhead]

I'll give you props for actually doing a little research.

You should have probably read and understood it, however. It doesn't apply at all.

I've done research, and I also spent 7 years with a security clearance in the military...

And you???

Seems that everyone that posts here has a "security clearance in the military". Yet they post that they have these credentials. Funny thing is, I've actually worked with fellows that have these clearances and they don't disclose that openly..

Gee, you DO know it's a known fact that some jobs require a clearance, right??

The import part is safeguarding the information that's entrusted to you, and Hillary didn't...

the issue is why she did it. What her intentions were. The time will come where she will need to give a credible reason as to why she used a private server. So far she has given two reasons....both proven to be false...

1) She wanted to have only one device. Proven false by the fact that the least knowledgeable tech guy would know that more than one server can feed into one device at the same time.

2) She was too busy concentrating on world issues to deal with setting up her email. Proven false seeing as most "new employees" have nothing to do with setting up their email and the only time they get involved is if they request something out of the ordinary...so she was MORE involved in setting up her email by using her own server than she would have been using the official server.

So it begs the question of "what was your intent. Why did you do it".

If it can be proven that she did it to keep hand picked emails from public scrutiny (publi8c records act), it will get ugly for her.

And to be frank...that is the only reason I can come up with.

I believe she mingled personal and official on purpose to give her cover for deleting things she didn't want seen.

And if she did not want certain emails to be seen, then she did it all for personal gain.

Ands that is why there is a criminal investigation.

The funny thing is....her defense of all of this is

'I did not expect anyone to send me classified information' (which means she was naïve to her responsibilities as SoS....not to mention just plain old stupid)

And yet those who defend her think she would make a great president?

 

[Jarhead]

I missed the "I'm the Executive Branch, I can mishandle classified info" exemption in the law.
Could you find the link for that? Thanks!

Sure.

It's called "They classify the information in the first place".

Got it?

Need a link?


Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

It's in English.

Data or information does not have to be marked "top secret" in order to BE "top secret". She knew what types of data were classified and she ignored those regulations. If any other person with a security clearance did what she did they would already be serving a long jail sentence.

I held a top secret clearance for many years. I know the rules and I would be in jail today if I did what she did.

Well yeah, it kinda does.

And sometimes THAT isn't even enough.

SEE: Valerie Plame.

No, it does not have to be marked in order to be classified. The nature of the data is what makes it top secret, not the markings on it.

HRC violated national security regulations. She should be indicted just as you or I would be if we had done the same thing.

Whether you like it or not, the Clintons are not exempt from our laws.

Except she didn't violate any regulations or laws.

Yo, Sparky...that is why there is an investigation.

If it is found that she made decisions as SoS for personal gain, she will require a pardon to avoid jail.

And so far, all of "alibis" for having the private server have been proven as not true.

The only one left is that she did it so she could have the ability to "hide things" after her tenure.....and I assure you, that is what they are looking into right now.

 

[Sallow]

I've done research, and I also spent 7 years with a security clearance in the military...

And you???

Seems that everyone that posts here has a "security clearance in the military". Yet they post that they have these credentials. Funny thing is, I've actually worked with fellows that have these clearances and they don't disclose that openly..

Gee, you DO know it's a known fact that some jobs require a clearance, right??

The import part is safeguarding the information that's entrusted to you, and Hillary didn't...

the issue is why she did it. What her intentions were. The time will come where she will need to give a credible reason as to why she used a private server. So far she has given two reasons....both proven to be false...

1) She wanted to have only one device. Proven false by the fact that the least knowledgeable tech guy would know that more than one server can feed into one device at the same time.

2) She was too busy concentrating on world issues to deal with setting up her email. Proven false seeing as most "new employees" have nothing to do with setting up their email and the only time they get involved is if they request something out of the ordinary...so she was MORE involved in setting up her email by using her own server than she would have been using the official server.

So it begs the question of "what was your intent. Why did you do it".

If it can be proven that she did it to keep hand picked emails from public scrutiny (publi8c records act), it will get ugly for her.

And to be frank...that is the only reason I can come up with.

I believe she mingled personal and official on purpose to give her cover for deleting things she didn't want seen.

And if she did not want certain emails to be seen, then she did it all for personal gain.

Ands that is why there is a criminal investigation.

The funny thing is....her defense of all of this is

'I did not expect anyone to send me classified information' (which means she was naïve to her responsibilities as SoS....not to mention just plain old stupid)

And yet those who defend her think she would make a great president?

She'd make a fine President.

And she light years more qualified than anyone the republicans are offering up.

 

[Sallow]

Sure.

It's called "They classify the information in the first place".

Got it?

Need a link?


Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

It's in English.

Data or information does not have to be marked "top secret" in order to BE "top secret". She knew what types of data were classified and she ignored those regulations. If any other person with a security clearance did what she did they would already be serving a long jail sentence.

I held a top secret clearance for many years. I know the rules and I would be in jail today if I did what she did.

Well yeah, it kinda does.

And sometimes THAT isn't even enough.

SEE: Valerie Plame.

No, it does not have to be marked in order to be classified. The nature of the data is what makes it top secret, not the markings on it.

HRC violated national security regulations. She should be indicted just as you or I would be if we had done the same thing.

Whether you like it or not, the Clintons are not exempt from our laws.

Except she didn't violate any regulations or laws.

Yo, Sparky...that is why there is an investigation.

If it is found that she made decisions as SoS for personal gain, she will require a pardon to avoid jail.

And so far, all of "alibis" for having the private server have been proven as not true.

The only one left is that she did it so she could have the ability to "hide things" after her tenure.....and I assure you, that is what they are looking into right now.

Aside from obstruction, the other thing present day republicans are good at is investigation and hearings.

Oh and hyperbole and outright lies, are the other things Republicans excel at.