Once again Trump makes the right decision. Transgender cannot serve in military

Transanimals, is that the next class, that liberals will champion?

  • Yes, if someone identifies as an animal, then he/she/it should be an animal. Look at Bill Clinton

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • No, Insane people need to be put away, before they hurt themselves or someone else.

    Votes: 16 88.9%

  • Total voters
    18
Apples and oranges. Do I need to get out the answer from the American Psychological Association?
They have answered that question? :uhh:
Is being transgender a mental disorder?
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."
So, transexuals dont suffer because of their condition? Welp, you better tell the transexuals their distress is all in their head!
Look at my link above. The ICD10 is an INTERNATIONAL classification of disease established by the WHO.
BTW, the APA is a bunch of political horseshit. A few years ago they said if you dont identify as liberal, you are insane.
I have seen somewhere where alot of the people that run that malarkey are homosexuals. They took gayness off the list of disorders in the 70s with no scientific basis. Only 1/4 of doctors in their panel agreed with that assessment. ONE FOURTH. They are activists. Nothing more.
Go and try to cite the APA in a court room :D
They say transgenders are just as mentally healthy as sane people despite their almost 50% suicide rate :lol:
They also label insomnia as a mental disorder but not transexuality? tsk tsk
Check out the ICD10.
I have seen somewhere where alot of the people that run that malarkey are homosexuals. They took gayness off the list of disorders in the 70s with no scientific basis. Only 1/4 of doctors in their panel agreed with that assessment. ONE FOURTH. They are activists. Nothing more.
Go and try to cite the APA in a court room.

In the 70's, it was still a common belief that all gays were pedophiles. They were fired from teaching positions if they were "found out." It was awful, but we were living in a cloud of ignorance then. I doubt psychologists today find being "gay" a disorder.
The ICD or the DSM--does it really make that much difference?
The APA is not political activists, except in the sense that it educates people still living in a fucking pig holler somewhere who think there's something SICK about being gay or transgender. Yes, in this judgmental society it can cause a lot of issues, but it isn't the being gay or trans that causes it. It's the fact that people like you won't accept them as they are.
I dont think gay is a mental disorder. Although, it could probably be argued it is some sort of chemical imbalance. Simply because it goes against nature. Thats it.
What difference does it make? Well, considering we are posting different things, i would say it matters lol. The DCM was created by the APA. The ICD was created by a world org that doesnt give two shits about american societal issues.
I like how you skipped half my post.
If you dont think them saying "if you dont identify as liberal, you are insane" is activism, you, mam, are retarded.
I want that link.
 

No he's wrong again--and he's going to get blasted for it. John McCain has already started in on him. We allow Gays in the military, a transgender in someone completely different. Identity gender that shows up at a very young age, like this little boy in Colorado Springs.

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Transgender 6-year-old takes on Fountain school district

There are about 2,000 active U.S. military that fit in this category right now.
Pediatrician are just now starting to fight back against diagnosing gender integrity disorder in very young children. They are working to have blockers, hormone treatments and surgeries in children considered child abuse.
 
She waited until she was no longer a SEAL to make the change. Kristin presumably had her transformation paid for with medical insurance through the V.A., so I'm not sure Trump is going to be saving scads of money here, is he? I think if they are already morphed into the sex they believe themselves to be, there should be no bar to entering service.

So which physical fitness test do they take? Before or after?
? The one they currently are.

So a female to male transgender will be expected to pass the male APFT?

Not likely to happen. Some may, but the vast majority will fail and be kicked out.

Male to female transgenders will likely easily pass the female APFT and will be allowed to stay.

Your point is now moot. They will all be shown the door..
Supreme Court here we come.
SC for what? Trannies arent covered in any laws or the COTUS. SC cant do shit :lol:
Honestly? The S.C. doesn't review discrimination cases? What about the Christian bakers?
 
Look its simple, there's a lot of pent up shit that needs sorting out, years of it, and president Trump is sorting it out. That's why the American people elected him president! :eusa_clap:

Trans and gay people weren't causing any trouble in the military. This move was just to fuck with Trumps opponents. It took the news off Russia. This administration is obviously playing us for stupid. It'll work on Trump voters.
BS! You pay for their pecker packing surgeries and hormones and God knows what else. This MADNESS must stop!

This sums up the problem with the left nicely. You give the left and inch and they take a mile. Not satisfied with being allowed to serve, they keep pushing, surgeries, hormone therapy, disruptions to military readiness. Fine enough of the drama, on second thought if you are going to be a pain in the ass then NO you can't serve have a nice day.
 
I feel that trans-gender people will create morale problems not to mention the high cost of surgeries they need when it comes time to whack the pee pee off and go girlie man. To me, they ain't normal. The miltary needs to be as distraction free as possible, and when deployed, go in and kick ass and be done, Not having to worry about nelly-bills' hot flashes on hill 345adam.
 
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Excuse me, transgenders were not allowed to serve in the military during Obama's first 7 years where's the outrage? The policy Trump is ending was only just started last year.
Will the 2,000 - 7,000 transgender active military personnel currently serving be given an honorable discharge? Now that for a year they have been permitted to serve openly? Hopefully a lot of them were smart enough to keep their mouths shut anyway.

One of our E.R. docs who is now a woman used to be a man years ago. She's just as grumpy now as she was when he was a man. You would never, ever know. Still a good doctor. I don't see what the big problem is.
Does she still have her dick? Maybe that's why she's not grumpy. Can still pull it....yo...
Yo...learn to fuckin read. And then you can go inspect for that dick you're so interested in.
You can't remember where it was last night?
 
They have answered that question? :uhh:
Is being transgender a mental disorder?
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."
So, transexuals dont suffer because of their condition? Welp, you better tell the transexuals their distress is all in their head!
Look at my link above. The ICD10 is an INTERNATIONAL classification of disease established by the WHO.
BTW, the APA is a bunch of political horseshit. A few years ago they said if you dont identify as liberal, you are insane.
I have seen somewhere where alot of the people that run that malarkey are homosexuals. They took gayness off the list of disorders in the 70s with no scientific basis. Only 1/4 of doctors in their panel agreed with that assessment. ONE FOURTH. They are activists. Nothing more.
Go and try to cite the APA in a court room :D
They say transgenders are just as mentally healthy as sane people despite their almost 50% suicide rate :lol:
They also label insomnia as a mental disorder but not transexuality? tsk tsk
Check out the ICD10.
I have seen somewhere where alot of the people that run that malarkey are homosexuals. They took gayness off the list of disorders in the 70s with no scientific basis. Only 1/4 of doctors in their panel agreed with that assessment. ONE FOURTH. They are activists. Nothing more.
Go and try to cite the APA in a court room.

In the 70's, it was still a common belief that all gays were pedophiles. They were fired from teaching positions if they were "found out." It was awful, but we were living in a cloud of ignorance then. I doubt psychologists today find being "gay" a disorder.
The ICD or the DSM--does it really make that much difference?
The APA is not political activists, except in the sense that it educates people still living in a fucking pig holler somewhere who think there's something SICK about being gay or transgender. Yes, in this judgmental society it can cause a lot of issues, but it isn't the being gay or trans that causes it. It's the fact that people like you won't accept them as they are.
I dont think gay is a mental disorder. Although, it could probably be argued it is some sort of chemical imbalance. Simply because it goes against nature. Thats it.
What difference does it make? Well, considering we are posting different things, i would say it matters lol. The DCM was created by the APA. The ICD was created by a world org that doesnt give two shits about american societal issues.
I like how you skipped half my post.
If you dont think them saying "if you dont identify as liberal, you are insane" is activism, you, mam, are retarded.
I want that link.
Here is a good quote for you
“It was never a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came so fast… It was a political move.” “That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.” (Barbara Gittings, Homosexual/Lesbian Activist)
Goes along with only ONE FOURTH of doctors agreeing with that stance ;) AKA activism
Here ya go
Not a Liberal? The APA Says You're Crazy
 
So which physical fitness test do they take? Before or after?
? The one they currently are.

So a female to male transgender will be expected to pass the male APFT?

Not likely to happen. Some may, but the vast majority will fail and be kicked out.

Male to female transgenders will likely easily pass the female APFT and will be allowed to stay.

Your point is now moot. They will all be shown the door..
Supreme Court here we come.
SC for what? Trannies arent covered in any laws or the COTUS. SC cant do shit :lol:
Honestly? The S.C. doesn't review discrimination cases? What about the Christian bakers?
Are gays protected? Yes Are trannies? No
You better get the law changed before taking it to the SC :)
 
Draft dodger Trump thinks he knows what's best for the military. If a transgender person is willing to lay their life down for this country, what's the problem?

While I'm a libertarian I kind of agree with this Executive Order. The military commanders have enough to deal with in terms of training soldiers and national defense. They don't need to be distracted by these kinds of inane cultural issues.

People said the same thing when minorities and women were allowed to serve.

Not even remotely the same thing, but nice try.

Yes it is the same thing. Its discrimination. People complained about blacks serving in the military. Then women. Then people freaked out over gay and lesbians serving in the army. And now people are freaking out over transsexuals. Being transgender doesn't effect your performance in the army.

Its only a distraction because small minded people allow it to be.
 
Draft dodger Trump thinks he knows what's best for the military. If a transgender person is willing to lay their life down for this country, what's the problem?

While I'm a libertarian I kind of agree with this Executive Order. The military commanders have enough to deal with in terms of training soldiers and national defense. They don't need to be distracted by these kinds of inane cultural issues.

People said the same thing when minorities and women were allowed to serve.

Not even remotely the same thing, but nice try.

Yes it is the same thing. Its discrimination. People complained about blacks serving in the military. Then women. Then people freaked out over gay and lesbians serving in the army. And now people are freaking out over transsexuals. Being transgender doesn't effect your performance in the army.

Its only a distraction because small minded people allow it to be.
Discrimination? So, you think mentally ill people should have the right to drive tanks and walk around with automatic weapons? Awesome. You sound like a staunch second amendment supporter. Even i dont support it that much :lol:
 

No he's wrong again--and he's going to get blasted for it. John McCain has already started in on him. We allow Gays in the military, a transgender in someone completely different. Identity gender that shows up at a very young age, like this little boy in Colorado Springs.

1361925354-screen_shot_2013-02-26_at_5.34.54_pm.png

Transgender 6-year-old takes on Fountain school district

There are about 2,000 active U.S. military that fit in this category right now.
Pediatrician are just now starting to fight back against diagnosing gender integrity disorder in very young children. They are working to have blockers, hormone treatments and surgeries in children considered child abuse.

What the foremost Pediatric health organization has to say:

AAP Voices
 
Draft dodger Trump thinks he knows what's best for the military. If a transgender person is willing to lay their life down for this country, what's the problem?


If a person already had a sex change, then they enter the military as either a man or a woman. No one would question it.

Thing is that some see the medical benefits as a way to pay for their operation so they go in as one sex and then want to change.
 
Excuse me, transgenders were not allowed to serve in the military during Obama's first 7 years where's the outrage? The policy Trump is ending was only just started last year.

We were outraged until Obama reversed course.

Hey, I'm happy for trannies. Now they won't die for a needless war Trump gets us in. Let the straight white male middle class homophobes die for Trump.
LMAO.....anyone who has been in the military will tell you that its, if not non-existent, at least highly rare and unusual for any unit to be made up entirely of whites.
 
This is just a prelude to the conservative pipe dream of kicking gays back out of the military.
 

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