One day the economy will get much worse and only socialism will save it

[francoHFW]

Norway and Denmark are awfully tempting.

I don't know WHERE you fucking knuckleheads get the idea those Countries are socialist.

They are NOT. They are about as far away from socialist as it gets.

For one thing, Norway is known as The KINGDOM of Norway and is a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy.

Denmark is a Constitutional Monarchy. They have a King.

Both are Welfare States. And that's okay with me. If they want to commit social suicide, I'm down with that

But they are NOT socialist. Not even close

You people are too stupid to have a rational discussion with.

Here’s what you aren’t getting about the basic definition of socialism: it’s any institution funded and owned by the people. Therefore, EVERY government is socialist.

Sooo, you don't even know what socialism is, do you? Every gov't is socialist? Really? Let's drill down a little bit, which particular type of socialism do you advocate for, that you say is going to fix all those problems you listed in the OP? And where in the world does it exist?

Socialism could mean a system with programs funded by the people but entirely owned by the government, or in a social democratic system, the people fund it, but the programs are designed to provide basic services to the people such as healthcare and education. Every nation therefore has some extent of socialism including the US.

Paying for things you don’t own is called rental...

... or divorce.

B*******. Why are we the only modern country without Healthcare daycare living wage good infrastructure good vacations paid parental leave, super super GOP dupe.

 

[Norman]

Well, yes, it's an unsustainable ponzi scheme. The government is currently in debt up to its eyeballs, one would have to be part of the Church of the Omnipotent State to believe that it's capable of saving one's money for them.

Putting aside socialism for a moment, how would republican policy address the issues I arose?

No. Let's not put aside socialism for a moment. How would socialism address the issues raised? Obviously, you (a socialist?) think that republicans have no answers. I want to know what the socialist solutions would be to the problems raised?

FREE SHIT!!!

Of course, but who pays for the free shit, and for how long?
I am a fan of Any Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Are you familiar?

I used to be an Objectivist.

Then I graduated.

Before that you were a socialist I imagine.

 

[task0778]

Socialism could mean a system with programs funded by the people but entirely owned by the government, or in a social democratic system, the people fund it, but the programs are designed to provide basic services to the people such as healthcare and education. Every nation therefore has some extent of socialism including the US.

Okay, good. Now tell me how socialist policy is going to fix these things you describe in your OP:

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?


See, I don't think that socialist policies are going to fix ANY of these things. I'm asking you to show me how you're going to accomplish these things and how you're going to pay for them.

 

[bripat9643]

May-be you should defect to a socialist Country and give it a whirl. Let me know how all the free shit works out.

Norway and Denmark are awfully tempting.

I don't know WHERE you fucking knuckleheads get the idea those Countries are socialist.

They are NOT. They are about as far away from socialist as it gets.

For one thing, Norway is known as The KINGDOM of Norway and is a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy.

Denmark is a Constitutional Monarchy. They have a King.

Both are Welfare States. And that's okay with me. If they want to commit social suicide, I'm down with that

But they are NOT socialist. Not even close

You people are too stupid to have a rational discussion with.

What do you think about the assertion that Scandinavia isn’t socialist, bripat9643 ?

It's a welfare state.

 

[francoHFW]

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

Only if you think that starvation is the way to solve your problems. Just ask the Venezuelans.

They were not the only third world country ruined by the corrupt GOP world depression... That is the stupidest argument ever and you have a million, GOP Dupe. Thnk Canada Australia see you New Zealand Japan. The GOP screws you everyday. Health Care Day Care infrastructure living wage good good vacations et cetera Etc... You are brainwashed functional morons.

 

[westwall]

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

Only if you think that starvation is the way to solve your problems. Just ask the Venezuelans.

They were not the only third world country ruined by the corrupt GOP world depression... That is the stupidest argument ever and you have a million, GOP Dupe. Thnk Canada Australia see you New Zealand Japan. The GOP screws you everyday. Health Care Day Care infrastructure living wage good good vacations et cetera Etc... You are brainwashed functional morons.

None of those countries are fully socialist. If they were, they would have failed by now instead of marching slowly towards failure. Canada health care is so great that canadian politicians come here to the USA for their medical procedures. I hate to break it to you, but if those who write the laws don't use it....you have a problem.

 

[Toro]

Putting aside socialism for a moment, how would republican policy address the issues I arose?

No. Let's not put aside socialism for a moment. How would socialism address the issues raised? Obviously, you (a socialist?) think that republicans have no answers. I want to know what the socialist solutions would be to the problems raised?

FREE SHIT!!!

Of course, but who pays for the free shit, and for how long?
I am a fan of Any Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Are you familiar?

I used to be an Objectivist.

Then I graduated.

You're aging like a head of lettuce.

No. Let's not put aside socialism for a moment. How would socialism address the issues raised? Obviously, you (a socialist?) think that republicans have no answers. I want to know what the socialist solutions would be to the problems raised?

FREE SHIT!!!

Of course, but who pays for the free shit, and for how long?
I am a fan of Any Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Are you familiar?

"Give The People More Free Shit!"
-Ellsworth Toohey

(I prefer the Fountainhead)

I've read both, and you are correct. Thanks. E. Toohey had that socialist thing down pat. Gotta luv Ayn Rand. Of course, you invite the jackals to attack just for referring to her! God help us if we refer to personal responsibility.

This says it all.....

If by “head of lettuce,” you mean “fine single malt,” I agree.

 

[Toro]

Putting aside socialism for a moment, how would republican policy address the issues I arose?

No. Let's not put aside socialism for a moment. How would socialism address the issues raised? Obviously, you (a socialist?) think that republicans have no answers. I want to know what the socialist solutions would be to the problems raised?

FREE SHIT!!!

Of course, but who pays for the free shit, and for how long?
I am a fan of Any Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Are you familiar?

I used to be an Objectivist.

Then I graduated.

Before that you were a socialist I imagine.

“You imagine” is probably the what you do most here.

Just like Hitler.

 

[Meister]

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

/——/ Maybe Socialism can save Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela—— oh wait. Never mind.

It’s not my fault you don’t understand the different types of socialism.

Just who's fault is it, if it's not your fault? Did a gerbil in your pocket write your thread?

 

[bripat9643]

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

Only if you think that starvation is the way to solve your problems. Just ask the Venezuelans.

They were not the only third world country ruined by the corrupt GOP world depression... That is the stupidest argument ever and you have a million, GOP Dupe. Thnk Canada Australia see you New Zealand Japan. The GOP screws you everyday. Health Care Day Care infrastructure living wage good good vacations et cetera Etc... You are brainwashed functional morons.

None of those countries are fully socialist. If they were, they would have failed by now instead of marching slowly towards failure. Canada health care is so great that canadian politicians come here to the USA for their medical procedures. I hate to break it to you, but if those who write the laws don't use it....you have a problem.

The Heritage index of economic freedom says they are some of the most capitalist countries in the world. Whenever the progs post an example of a "socialist" success story, it always turns out to be a capitalist country.

 

[bripat9643]

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

Only if you think that starvation is the way to solve your problems. Just ask the Venezuelans.

They were not the only third world country ruined by the corrupt GOP world depression... That is the stupidest argument ever and you have a million, GOP Dupe. Thnk Canada Australia see you New Zealand Japan. The GOP screws you everyday. Health Care Day Care infrastructure living wage good good vacations et cetera Etc... You are brainwashed functional morons.

Heritage Index of Economic Freedom rankings

New Zealand #3
Australia #5
Canada #9
United States #18
Japan #30

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

 

[bripat9643]

I just read an article that said their latest inflation rate was 40,000%

 

[task0778]

I don't think Billy is talking about a socialist gov't country like Cuba, N Korea, and Venezuela, I think he means a socialist democracy like Denmark or Sweden. The problem is that most of those places aren't doing so hot these days, with sky-high taxes and so many Muslim immigrants from Africa and the ME. Yeah, it's great to have all that free stuff, but EVERYBODY pays for it, not just the rich guys and big corps. For starters, everybody pays a VAT when they buy stuff, somewhere around 20%.

 

[Billy000]

Socialism could mean a system with programs funded by the people but entirely owned by the government, or in a social democratic system, the people fund it, but the programs are designed to provide basic services to the people such as healthcare and education. Every nation therefore has some extent of socialism including the US.

Okay, good. Now tell me how socialist policy is going to fix these things you describe in your OP:

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?


See, I don't think that socialist policies are going to fix ANY of these things. I'm asking you to show me how you're going to accomplish these things and how you're going to pay for them.

Automation: either curbing automation in the future that cut into future jobs with enforcement of policy, or if that fails, consider universal based income.

Wages: raising the minimum wage

Healthcare: either a public option or enforcement of price caps on health care services like drug costs.

Climate change: improving our infrastructure would go a long way. It would also help to invest in science and research

Fixing infrastructure would of course involve investing in projects to fix the issues.

 

[Billy000]

I don't think Billy is talking about a socialist gov't country like Cuba, N Korea, and Venezuela, I think he means a socialist democracy like Denmark or Sweden. The problem is that most of those places aren't doing so hot these days, with sky-high taxes and so many Muslim immigrants from Africa and the ME. Yeah, it's great to have all that free stuff, but EVERYBODY pays for it, not just the rich guys and big corps. For starters, everybody pays a VAT when they buy stuff, somewhere around 20%.

Their median wage is higher AFTER taxes than the median wage here.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Because dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.
Criminals, gangsters, thieves, liars, abusers of women, the original racists, child molesters (NAMBLA was protected by dimocrap scum and defended by the ACLU [american communist lawyers association])
I shit you not, dimocraps are the absolute scum of the Earth.
The Republican Party was formed as an abolitionist Party. dimocrap FILTH stole our platform and radicalized it while turning Black People against the Patriots who fought and died to free them.
Susan B Anthony was a lifelong Republican. dimocrap scum stole that platform, radicalized it and turned it against......... Rinse, lather, repeat.
What will be the next platform dimocrap FILTH steal from us and radicalize, then claim as their own inventon??
Organized Crime, thieving Unions, the shitholes they call Cities.... dimocraps are scum and everything they touch they turn to shit.
All you gotta do is open your eyes. Those people aren't worth trying to have an intelligent discourse with. You destroy them, you don't talk to them

It was a rhetorical question. As in...it would be great "IF".
He laid the problem at the foot of Republicans....I was pointing out his fallacy.

Never mind

 

[fncceo]

I don't know WHERE you fucking knuckleheads get the idea those Countries are socialist.

They are NOT. They are about as far away from socialist as it gets.

For one thing, Norway is known as The KINGDOM of Norway and is a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy.

Denmark is a Constitutional Monarchy. They have a King.

Both are Welfare States. And that's okay with me. If they want to commit social suicide, I'm down with that

But they are NOT socialist. Not even close

You people are too stupid to have a rational discussion with.

Here’s what you aren’t getting about the basic definition of socialism: it’s any institution funded and owned by the people. Therefore, EVERY government is socialist.

Sooo, you don't even know what socialism is, do you? Every gov't is socialist? Really? Let's drill down a little bit, which particular type of socialism do you advocate for, that you say is going to fix all those problems you listed in the OP? And where in the world does it exist?

Socialism could mean a system with programs funded by the people but entirely owned by the government, or in a social democratic system, the people fund it, but the programs are designed to provide basic services to the people such as healthcare and education. Every nation therefore has some extent of socialism including the US.

Paying for things you don’t own is called rental...

... or divorce.

B*******. Why are we the only modern country without Healthcare daycare living wage good infrastructure good vacations paid parental leave, super super GOP dupe.

So, you’ll be leaving soon?

Buh bye.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Well, yes, it's an unsustainable ponzi scheme. The government is currently in debt up to its eyeballs, one would have to be part of the Church of the Omnipotent State to believe that it's capable of saving one's money for them.

Putting aside socialism for a moment, how would republican policy address the issues I arose?

They wouldn't, the Republicans want what the Democrats want. The only difference which they pretend exists is that Democrats hate it when a Republican does it, and the Republicans hate when a Democrat does it. Of course, neither have policies which work, because their end goal is the same as yours.

I can, however, tell you what would actually solve all of the problems you listed.

How will republican policy address automation replacing human jobs?

Automation can never replace "human jobs", because people will always have to program, innovate, build, and service the machines. If there's a demand for it, the private sector will fulfill that demand, and if there isn't a demand, it doesn't need to exist.

How will republican policy address wages becoming more and more behind on the rising cost of living nationwide?

People get paid what their performance and position is worth, otherwise they work for someone else. The government is not, and has never been necessary to determine wages. One has to be completely delusional to believe that random people are qualified for determining demand and cost simply because they're part of the government. People who support a federal minimum wage are part of the Church of the Omnipotent State.

How will republican policy address rising drug prices and high deductible health insurance plans?

If the government had not interfered in the market in the first place, neither would be a problem. The government created both problems with regulations and patents. Because of the government, before Obama destroyed the already-too-heavily-regulated healthcare industry, the Healthcare providers were limited to specific areas, limiting competition, allowing them to raise costs, as few to no other options were available.

As for medicine costs, the businesses already have to pay colossal amounts and go through a long process to get their medicine onto the market in the first place, and patents make this even worse, as it limits competition. If it weren't for the government, there may have been cures for cancer and AIDs by now, and far fewer people would have died of curable illnesses.

How will republican policy mitigate problems like drought and other natural disasters that are only getting worse because of climate change?

If Climate Change existed, policies claiming to solve it wouldn't be getting rammed down our throats, and data wouldn't be falsified. Scientists also would be open to debating the topic, rather than claiming there's no point in debating and that people who disagree should be thrown in jail. The fact that anyone believes it's an actual issue is absolutely sad.

There's already insurance for natural disasters, and it would be far better if the government wasn't regulating it.

How will republican policy fix our crumbling infrastructure?

Only socialist policy can improve all of these things.

You'll notice that private industry builds better roads when the government isn't involved. If they want customers, they'll build roads to their place of business. The government is not required, as there's a demand for roads.

If there's a demand for something, the private industry takes care of it. If there isn't, it is not needed. This is the nature of capitalism, and government interference only impedes progress.

If you'd leave the Church of the Omnipotent State, you'd stop believing that they're the only people who can do everything, and realize that they are not omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient. With a lack of incentive, a lack of knowledge, and a lack of resources, the state is actually the LEAST qualified entity for everything you believe it's capable of. Any money it has, it steals, anything it buys, it pays too much for and either gets too much or too little, as it can't accurately measure demand, and anything it builds, is mediocre at best.

Your faith in the state is horribly misplaced.

Lol okay so basically you’re saying you have full confidence these problems will sort themselves out naturally in a completely deregulated market? That’s it? That’s your simple solution to a complex problem?

If you have read my post, then you've also read my long explanation as to how deregulation would solve the problem, and how regulation caused the problem.

As we discussed the last several times I've defeated you in debate, swiftly, easily, and with style, regulations drive up prices by making the establishment or continuation of a small business more difficult, as regulations are designed to make conduction of business more difficult.

Of course, a worse economy is expected from a bunch of politicians with no business experience whatsoever attempting to determine how a business should operate. Again, one would have to be part of the Church of the Omnipotent State to believe that a Politician could run a business. If they could, they'd be running one and simply paying the government to enact regulations on their competition, to promote the creation of their monopoly.

In short, if you had an argument, you'd have made it instead of replying with, essentially, "You sure, sis?".

Lol you definitely don’t win. I just stop replying because you talk in circles and ignore actual points being made.

No, I debunk your blatantly false points. If you had legitimate arguments, you'd be using them instead of replying like you did above. No matter how often you repeat the same tired arguments, Socialism can't work. Even ignoring the NUMEROUS economic problems, your rulers can easily end up being incompetent. For example,I highly doubt you'd like having Donald Trump lead your Socialist 'utopia'.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

B*******. Why are we the only modern country without Healthcare daycare living wage good infrastructure good vacations paid parental leave, super super GOP dupe.

Why?

Because we ARE THE TIT that all those socialist leeches all feed off of......we've provided military security and trade subsidies out the ass so they could live better.
You have no clue the extent to which American CAPITALISM affected, shaped and improved the world do you?

Can I get a big DUH for the Socialist one please?