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[Moonglow]

Why would you put suicide on the list?
There are plenty of parking garages and other tall things to jump off of.
Or they can park the car in the garage and slam a bottle of whisky with the garage doors closed.

With most suicide methods, you have time to change your mind
With a gun, you have a split second

How long does it take to step off a five story parking garage?

It would take a lifetime for me to do it..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am Jewish. I consider it a sin to place a stumbling block before the blind.

Most Jews, Christians, and Muslims would agree that enabling suicide is a great sin.

Enabling suicide?

 

[Auld Phart]

Why would you put suicide on the list?
There are plenty of parking garages and other tall things to jump off of.
Or they can park the car in the garage and slam a bottle of whisky with the garage doors closed.

With most suicide methods, you have time to change your mind
With a gun, you have a split second

Most suicide attempts without a gun fail.

Very few people have strength and willpower to stab themselves.

Very few people have strength and willpower to stab themselves.

Takes neither to slice a wrist.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Well, the suicidal could stab themselves to death with a fork, but...

The stats in the OP leave out of the equation, how many gun owners do not use their guns for those purposes. Nor does it take into account the amount of times guns have prevented crime and murder. It is incomplete.
If 50 gun owners don't use their guns for any of those purposes and 2 do, why disarm the 50? Let's instead, deal with the 2.

If someone wants to kill themselves or someone else, taking my gun away won't do one thing to stop them. Not one thing. It would however prevent me from protecting myself from the mobs we are allowing to take over our streets and neighborhoods. Or the men who decided to break into my home.

 

[Concerned American]

I am Jewish. I consider it a sin to place a stumbling block before the blind.

Most Jews, Christians, and Muslims would agree that enabling suicide is a great sin.

Better do away with the Golden Gate, Bay Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, GW Bridge, etc. While your at it better outlaw diesel fuel and fertilizer as well. Don't forget cell phones as they can be used to trigger suicide devices. I guess you prove that idiocy does not discriminate by ethnicity.

 

[Moonglow]

For goodness sake people learn gun safety and stop accidently killing yourself.

 

[Man of Ethics]

What a stupid mindset.... are you afraid of guns as well as high places?

I am not suffering from Autism -- I am just different.

Proud to be an Aspie!

 

[Man of Ethics]

Enabling suicide?

Guns enable suicidal and homicidal people to succeed.

 

[toobfreak]

One picture worth a nanoessay:

Congrats on confirming what I always suspected: that 88% of all deaths are NOT even remotely gun related.

 

[Auld Phart]

Enabling suicide?

Guns enable suicidal and homicidal people to succeed.

So do tall buildings, sharp objects, and hundreds of other items.

Your rant is based on a delusion

 

[toobfreak]

Enabling suicide?

Guns enable suicidal and homicidal people to succeed.

Just as free speech enables idiots like you to give bad opinions on things no one cares to hear about.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Enabling suicide?

Guns enable suicidal and homicidal people to succeed.

Progressive leaders are the biggest mass murderers of their unarmed citizens.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What a stupid mindset.... are you afraid of guns as well as high places?

I am not suffering from Autism -- I am just different.

Proud to be an Aspie!

Ya sure it's not schizophrenia?
That shit came out of left field.

 

[2aguy]

One picture worth a nanoessay:

You forgot the rest.......

600 million guns in private hands......over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns legally in public for self defense.........



Gun deaths...the truth....



2019...



Gun murder...10,235



Gun accidents...486



Of the gun murder deaths....over 70-80% of the victims are not regular Americans....they are criminals...murdered by other criminals in primarily democrat party controlled cities....where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians have released them over and over again no matter how many times they are arrested for felony, illegal gun possession and violent crimes with guns...that's on you and your political party...not normal gun owners.





Gun suicides... 23,491...



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Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control, and 1.5 million times according to the Department of Justice.



Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct





that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

 

[toobfreak]

For goodness sake people learn gun safety and stop accidently killing yourself.

Teaching gun safety was started by the NRA way back around 1870. Progressives hated and feared it and stopped it.

Learning gun safety used to be taught in schools to kids growing up so they would become responsible adults. Progressives hated and feared it and stopped it.

Now we have a nation of helpless, fearful clods as a result who are fodder for criminals and worthless to our military and the Progressives blame the NRA for it.

Now, any foreign country out there could eat our breakfast next to the average American in preparedness and self-defense!



I would have posted more good info on the 2A but several places I went to linking to some of the best ever discussions on gun rights on YouTube just now all came back as:

VIDEO NO LONGER AVAILABLE thanks to woke progressives trying to suppress free speech and censor Americans.

 

[2aguy]

One picture worth a nanoessay:

Back in the 1990s we had a slew of research projects trying to determine how many times a year Americans used guns for self defense..... 2 of the 17 studies from the 1990s and other years?

Centers for Disease Control..... 1.1 million times a year....

Department of Justice.....1.5 million times a year...

based on numbers from these studies, the number of lives saved by Americans who use their legal guns was computed.....

Average 176,000

Multiply that number by the number of years in your post...

17 years X 176,000 = 2,992,000 million lives saved by law abiding Americans using their guns to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, murders....

2,992,000

Can you tell which number is bigger...even if you went to a democrat party controlled school?

 

[2aguy]

Why would you put suicide on the list?
There are plenty of parking garages and other tall things to jump off of.
Or they can park the car in the garage and slam a bottle of whisky with the garage doors closed.

With most suicide methods, you have time to change your mind
With a gun, you have a split second

As actual experts in the field state....suicide is not a gun issue, it is a mental health issue....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.


Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used.

Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).


Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
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Suicide rates: An overview

Methods of suicide vary by sex and age​

Over the past ten years, the most common method of suicide in Canada has been hanging (44%), which includes strangulation and suffocation; followed by poisoning (25%) and firearm use (16%).
Males were most likely to commit suicide by hanging (46%) while females most often died by poisoning (42%) (Chart 2). Males (20%) were far more likely to use firearms than females (3%).

 

[2aguy]

Why would you put suicide on the list?
There are plenty of parking garages and other tall things to jump off of.
Or they can park the car in the garage and slam a bottle of whisky with the garage doors closed.

With most suicide methods, you have time to change your mind
With a gun, you have a split second

Most suicide attempts without a gun fail.

Very few people have strength and willpower to stab themselves.

No...actually, they don't....just ask the Japanese.....they only allow criminals and select police have guns and their suicide rate is higher than ours....jumping in front of a bullet Train or off of a tall building has zero chance of failing.....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

One picture worth a nanoessay:

And just think China in just 1 year killed well over that with the kung Flu.....

 

[2aguy]

Why would you put suicide on the list?
There are plenty of parking garages and other tall things to jump off of.
Or they can park the car in the garage and slam a bottle of whisky with the garage doors closed.

With most suicide methods, you have time to change your mind
With a gun, you have a split second

Most suicide attempts without a gun fail.

Very few people have strength and willpower to stab themselves.

Why the fuck would you try and commit suicide with a fucken knife when there's plenty of tall structures to jump off of?

Trains.......that is another way......