NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
Sheer projection.The Right is wholeheartedly for 'liberty' as long as the Right gets to define what is or isn't 'liberty'.
What 'liberty' do you want that you think I, as a liberal, won't allow you?
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Sheer projection.The Right is wholeheartedly for 'liberty' as long as the Right gets to define what is or isn't 'liberty'.
It would help discussion if you'd stop making up definitions for words.
Of course, it would utterly devastate your case.
Sheer projection.The Right is wholeheartedly for 'liberty' as long as the Right gets to define what is or isn't 'liberty'.
What 'liberty' do you want that you think I, as a liberal, won't allow you?
Obama is a Conservative? Really?And point being what? They're Statists that have voted FOR extensions with measures added to impede liberty.
Or in other words, conservatives. Exactly.
The Right is wholeheartedly for 'liberty' as long as the Right gets to define what is or isn't 'liberty'.
It's his Doublespeak.
He has wet dreams about the USA becoming an Orwellian society.
Sheer projection.
What 'liberty' do you want that you think I, as a liberal, won't allow you?
"The freedom to not have health insurance!" in 3...2....1....
Conservatives hate liberty.
That's not a premise, it's an observation.
What Statist can resist redefining terms, moving the goal posts, and revising history?
The nationalization of health insurance, actually, not the health-care industry.
Everyone except anarchists supports socialism in some parts of the economy. If nothing else, everyone supports a socialized military and law enforcement. A genuine socialist supports all or most of the means of production being publicly owned. Those who don't, aren't socialists.
Pretending those links don't prove you wrong does not make it so.
I'm not pretending anything. They don't. They don't prove anything. And you claiming a blatant falsehood does not turn it into a truth.
Precisely. And it pains the Statists that the people are aware and onto the scam and more importantly? Resisting...as they should for the sake of thier own individual Liberty.What Statist can resist redefining terms, moving the goal posts, and revising history?
How else can you convince people to hand over their freedom and hard earned income to the government?
Sheer projection.The Right is wholeheartedly for 'liberty' as long as the Right gets to define what is or isn't 'liberty'.
What 'liberty' do you want that you think I, as a liberal, won't allow you?
Obama is a Conservative? Really?
In his rhetoric, no. In the way he governs, yes.
It would help discussion if you'd stop making up definitions for words.
When a word has no agreed-upon definition, as "conservative," "liberal," and "libertarian" do not, there is no alternative.
Of course, it would utterly devastate your case.
If I allowed, for example, YOU to dictate what these words mean? Indeed it would.
I've said before, I'll let anyone choose not to have health insurance as long as they give up the pre-condition insurance requirement in the healthcare bill and as long as they'll waive their right to be treated by any hospital in an emergency if they can't demonstrate an ability to pay.
You have to be truly naive or dishonest to make a claim like that. If there's only one payer, then it calls the shots. It decides what treatments are available and which are not. It decides how doctors will run their practices. it decides virtually everything. Obamacare is sufficient proof of that.
Everything the government does, by definition, is socialism. That's a very good reason to avoid giving government control of anything that isn't absolutely necessary.
Sure there is: you just look at how the words are used. When we look at the people who call themselves "liberal" what we see are a bunch of anti-American, anti-capitalist socialists
His name is barack Hussein Obama...Ruler...Sure there is: you just look at how the words are used. When we look at the people who call themselves "liberal" what we see are a bunch of anti-American, anti-capitalist socialists
LOL you just proved my point.
By the way, can you think of anything more "anti-American" than an advocacy of a return to monarchy? I can't, off the top of my head.