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Not really. Where exactly do you draw a line if you are making a claim that civilian deaths in war are or are not murder? It has the potential to justify some pretty horrendous things. (I’m not saying that what Hamas did on 10/7 was not murder and a war crime, it was)That's a pretty dicey claim to equivalence.
Why are you arguing that it is okay to kill people who take no part in hostilities? Do I need to remind you, that under the laws of occupation, Israel is obligated to ensure their safety.Let's say this is true. (It's not, as stated, but let's say.)
How does would a government and its army conduct a just war* and kill not a single non-combatant? What laws, policies, procedures, technology, intelligence, etc. would have to be in place in order to accomplish this extraordinary feat.
I'm not asking IF this is a just war, I'm putting out a hypothetical. Imagine whatever you need to imagine to get you to just war*. If it helps, reverse the players. How, then, would the "freedom fighters" of Gaza conduct a just war in which they killed not a single non-combatant?
**If you believe that NO war is just, that's fine. Just a different conversation. I'll approach that if it comes up.
Generally, I tend to start with international law, which is fairly comprehensive in its effort to protect people from war.Not really. Where exactly do you draw a line if you are making a claim that civilian deaths in war are or are not murder? It has the potential to justify some pretty horrendous things. (I’m not saying that what Hamas did on 10/7 was not murder and a war crime, it was)
I'm not. And you know it. I'm asking HOW to prevent every single non-combatant death in a war zone. How would you accomplish this?Why are you arguing that it is okay to kill people who take no part in hostilities?
The only way to ensure the safety of the non-combatants and civilians in Gaza is to apply Israeli sovereignty over Gaza. Are you down for that?Do I need to remind you, that under the laws of occupation, Israel is obligated to ensure their safety.
I tend view it through an ethical lens. For example, deliberately targeting civilians is unquestionably murder.Generally, I tend to start with international law, which is fairly comprehensive in its effort to protect people from war.
How would that ensure their safety?I'm not. And you know it. I'm asking HOW to prevent every single non-combatant death in a war zone. How would you accomplish this?
The only way to ensure the safety of the non-combatants and civilians in Gaza is to apply Israeli sovereignty over Gaza. Are you down for that?
Humanitarian law is ethics framed as comprehensive instruction.I tend view it through an ethical lens. For example, deliberately targeting civilians is unquestionably murder.
Bombing with little regard for civilians is questionable.
De-radicalization, elimination of terrorism (including Arab-Arab terrorism) to start. Then basic things, like clean water, stable electrical grid, trade of goods, and economic prosperity.How would that ensure their safety?
That is a pretty dicey claim.
Palestinians have more or less been at war with Israel for some time. Hamas claims to be at war. Does that mean the civilians it murdered on October 7th weren’t murdered…because, well, war?
When does it become murder?
Why are you arguing that it is okay to kill people who take no part in hostilities? Do I need to remind you, that under the laws of occupation, Israel is obligated to ensure their safety.
I tend view it through an ethical lens. For example, deliberately targeting civilians is unquestionably murder.
Bombing with little regard for civilians is questionable.
As to your first question, don't use dumb bombs. As to your second, one of my suggestions to ending the occupation was to have Israeel take over all of the OPT and give full citizenship rights to the Palestinians with full freedom of movement. No Gaza blockade. No roadblocks and checkpoints in the WB and no martial law for the Palestinians.I'm not. And you know it. I'm asking HOW to prevent every single non-combatant death in a war zone. How would you accomplish this?
The only way to ensure the safety of the non-combatants and civilians in Gaza is to apply Israeli sovereignty over Gaza. Are you down for that?
By not killing them.Ensure their safety how?
I don’t agree entirely here.De-radicalization, elimination of terrorism (including Arab-Arab terrorism) to start. Then basic things, like clean water, stable electrical grid, trade of goods, and economic prosperity.
I had already answered it. Multiple times. What Hamas did is not in question.For example, deliberately targeting civilians is unquestionably murder.
Sounds like you answered your October 7th question.
Bombing with little regard for civilians is questionable.
I agree. Is that what Israel did?
I had already answered it. Multiple times. What Hamas did is not in question.
In my opinion? Yes.
I think many people are using the terminology "dumb bombs" to mean "indiscriminate bombing" and those two should not be confused. To my understanding, and I am not a military expert, "dumb bombs" are guided, just with GPS and real humans making decisions. No, they are not as precise as other munitions, but they are relatively accurate and targets are assessed prior to implementation. I've also read that Israel is using far fewer of these than is reported generally.As to your first question, don't use dumb bombs. As to your second, one of my suggestions to ending the occupation was to have Israeel take over all of the OPT and give full citizenship rights to the Palestinians with full freedom of movement. No Gaza blockade. No roadblocks and checkpoints in the WB and no martial law for the Palestinians.
What further steps, do you think, Israel should take?In my opinion? Yes.
Genocide Todd…How many bombs did they drop?
How long has it gone on?
How many, according to Hamas, civilians have been killed?
Was Bibi not loud enough? There will be no State of Palestine in the foreseeable future. Likely never.I don’t agree entirely here.
Will it be (as before) be dependent on Israel’s political desires: military occupation, unjust justice system, land seizure (assuming the current political coalition stays in place), no stated path to autonomy or a state, no full Israeli citizenship?
What do you envision here by applying Israeli sovereignty?
