Oregon terrorist say they will leave community if asked.

[bodecea]

We sure as Hell can't allow right wingers protesting the government.

It is okay when left wingers do it though.

So, they've been stopped, shot or arrested already?

 

[bodecea]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building in the middle of mismanaged, stolen blm land. The community is fine with them.

Stolen from whom? You have been asked and still have not told us who owned this land before the Feds did. Why can't you answer?

 

[paperview]

Here's another guy there at the refuge --

another one making death threats to government officials

This one is bragging about getting >>>>>>>>>>>this<<<<<<<<<<< close to sniping them off.

"Among those joining Bundy in the occupation are Ryan Payne, U.S. Army veteran, and Blaine Cooper. Payne has claimed to have helped organize militia snipers to target federal agents in a standoff last year in Nevada. He told one news organization the federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.
He has been a steady presence in Burns in recent weeks, questioning people who were critical of the militia's presence. He typically had a holstered sidearm as he moved around the community."

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

 

[bodecea]

The people of Burns staged a peaceful protest. The outsiders then tried to get some of them to go down to the Refuge with them. They got no one. Nobody from Harney County wanted any part of their insanity. They strutted around Burns with their guns, and proved themselves to be assholes. The people of Harney County want the assholes out of there, and the Sheriff and City Council have clearly stated that.

If there is shooting started, then the militia will be fully responsible for anything that happens after that. If anyone is killed, then every one of them should be hung. This is not where they live, it is not their fight. The people of Harney County will support the Hammond's. The militia has already stated that their goals no longer involve the Hammonds. And if the Feds are too slow in taking the cocksuckers out, the locals may decide to do the job themselves.

So, if shooting starts you believe the Feds have every right to obliterate the militia.

Do you also believe the feds should have obliterated rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson?

If the well being of property or life of anyone in this community is threatened, then the FBI needs to take them out.

Personally, I think they should cut all power to the complex and let them rot there. If they venture out and threaten anyone, then take them out. Oh, or if they want power to the building, start charging them rent and see how much they owe in a few months. Hold them responsible for it!

Agree...cut power and any food or fuel deliveries
Gets cold in the winter
Stop anyone from going in or out

Why bother?

Just send a drone with a Hellfire missile and kill them all.

Nope, send a drone with a GoPro and take funny pictures.

 

[bodecea]

The blacks had a movement....the left cheered that bowel movement.

While Bi-Catfish gets upset at the thought that any black lives might matter.

 

[Tilly]

librards are ok with this kind of protest

Where are their guns?

Clearly they didn't need guns. Neither did the one trying to kick a white man to death. Industrious, aren't they?
The Turks committed genocide on the Armenians with household implements. If you want to kill and maim, you don't need guns.

 

[Tilly]

Burns, Oregon residents' message to militia: 'Go away'



The true cause is mandatory minimum sentencing laws, he said. The Hammonds were subject to minimum sentences for their arson convictions. Part of the controversy is that the Hammonds were given a lenient sentence, which they served. In a rare move, the federal government appealed the sentence, and the Hammonds were sentenced again for the mandatory five years. That double sentencing, many residents say, is unjust, but taking up arms against the government is another thing altogether.

SO LEAVE!

Oregon Town Has Some Sympathy For Militiamen

“Most folks agree with the sentiment that the government has far exceeded their boundaries, and we’d love to see a bunch of that rolled back,” said a local cowboy named Pat. “But I haven’t decided one way or another on the Bundy’s. That’s why we’re here right now. I do like though, that they’ve brought this conversation to the forefront. That’s one positive thing.”

Oregon Town Has Some Sympathy for Militiamen

 

[Tilly]

Here's another guy there at the refuge --

another one making death threats to government officials

This one is bragging about getting >>>>>>>>>>>this<<<<<<<<<<< close to sniping them off.

"Among those joining Bundy in the occupation are Ryan Payne, U.S. Army veteran, and Blaine Cooper. Payne has claimed to have helped organize militia snipers to target federal agents in a standoff last year in Nevada. He told one news organization the federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.
He has been a steady presence in Burns in recent weeks, questioning people who were critical of the militia's presence. He typically had a holstered sidearm as he moved around the community."

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

Did he shoot anyone? Harm anyone? Was he convicted of either?

 

[Tilly]

Here's one of the guys who Fox News calls the "Movement Spokeperson..."

Yup, that's him, Pete Santilli

Who is he? well, for starters, he's a far RW Conspiracy Theory raving radio megaloon job who wants to shoot Hillary in her pussy.

Pete Santilli, Radio Host: Hillary Clinton Needs To Be 'Shot In The Vagina'

"I want to shoot her right in the vagina and I don't want her to die right away; I want her to feel the pain and I want to look her in the eyes and I want to say, on behalf of all Americans that you've killed, on behalf of the Navy SEALS, the families of Navy SEAL Team Six who were involved in the fake hunt down of this Obama, Obama bin Laden thing, that whole fake scenario, because these Navy SEALS know the truth, they killed them all. On behalf of all of those people, I'm supporting our troops by saying we need to try, convict, and shoot Hillary Clinton in the vagina.

Santilli also criticized Obama, saying he deserves the same punishment as Clinton...."

Radio Host Makes Shocking Claim About Shooting Hillary Clinton

He's one of those bad apples, you know, like the Muslims who blow people to pieces...only this guy seems to talk but not act. Has he been convicted for his diatribe?

 

[koshergrl]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building in the middle of mismanaged, stolen blm land. The community is fine with them.

Stolen from whom? You have been asked and still have not told us who owned this land before the Feds did. Why can't you answer?

Ranchers owned the land before the feds did. When they wouldn't sell, the feds took their water and flooded their property.

I don't answer you and the other trolls because I have you on ignore. You have never brought anything to any discussion, and you will bring nothing to this one.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building....

Little bit more than "a building" chubbiecheeks.

Google Maps <---Click

Ol' Kosher is a lying bitch. She claims to be an Eastern Oregon girl. No way, because she fucks up regularly about areas in Eastern Oregon. I doubt she has been South of I-84.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bundy: We'll Leave Occupied Buildings If Community Wants Us To

So will they leave or is this another Lie? "the sheriff does not speak for the community." They are looking for an excuse to cause mayhem.

Burns, Oregon residents' message to militia: 'Go away'

Two ppl, lol. I'm sure they looked hard for them, too.

Again, more lies. They had a public meeting and the two people delivering the message were the Sheriff and the head of the City Council of Burns.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building in the middle of mismanaged, stolen blm land. The community is fine with them.

Stolen from whom? You have been asked and still have not told us who owned this land before the Feds did. Why can't you answer?

Ranchers owned the land before the feds did. When they wouldn't sell, the feds took their water and flooded their property.

I don't answer you and the other trolls because I have you on ignore. You have never brought anything to any discussion, and you will bring nothing to this one.

Again, more wild ass lies. There is plenty on the history of the Malhuer Game Refuge on the internet.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building....

Little bit more than "a building" chubbiecheeks.

Google Maps <---CLICK

and not a one of them on fire

Not yet.

 

[paperview]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building....

Little bit more than "a building" chubbiecheeks.

Google Maps <---Click

Ol' Kosher is a lying bitch. She claims to be an Eastern Oregon girl. No way, because she fucks up regularly about areas in Eastern Oregon. I doubt she has been South of I-84.

It's pretty clean chubbycheeks koshergirl is almost always either lying her ass off, or talking out of it.

 

[Tilly]

The people of Burns staged a peaceful protest. The outsiders then tried to get some of them to go down to the Refuge with them. They got no one. Nobody from Harney County wanted any part of their insanity. They strutted around Burns with their guns, and proved themselves to be assholes. The people of Harney County want the assholes out of there, and the Sheriff and City Council have clearly stated that.

If there is shooting started, then the militia will be fully responsible for anything that happens after that. If anyone is killed, then every one of them should be hung. This is not where they live, it is not their fight. The people of Harney County will support the Hammond's. The militia has already stated that their goals no longer involve the Hammonds. And if the Feds are too slow in taking the cocksuckers out, the locals may decide to do the job themselves.

So, if shooting starts you believe the Feds have every right to obliterate the militia.

Do you also believe the feds should have obliterated rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson?

If the well being of property or life of anyone in this community is threatened, then the FBI needs to take them out.

Personally, I think they should cut all power to the complex and let them rot there. If they venture out and threaten anyone, then take them out. Oh, or if they want power to the building, start charging them rent and see how much they owe in a few months. Hold them responsible for it!

Agree...cut power and any food or fuel deliveries
Gets cold in the winter
Stop anyone from going in or out

Why bother?

Just send a drone with a Hellfire missile and kill them all.

Nope, send a drone with a GoPro and take funny pictures.

At the top of a metal observation tower two men surveyed the surroundings.

There was not much for them to see apart from satellite trucks, camera crews and a solitary, unexplained drone.

Inside the Oregon refuge seized by militiamen - BBC News

 

[Tilly]

Well, they've got some provisions.


There were cans of chicken noodle soup, oranges, apples and other food.

Image captionThe protesters brought food with them

Through a glass window we could see a man and a woman cooking food in a kitchen. The site appeared to be in good condition.

Inside the Oregon refuge seized by militiamen - BBC News

 

[koshergrl]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building....

Little bit more than "a building" chubbiecheeks.

Google Maps <---Click

Ol' Kosher is a lying bitch. She claims to be an Eastern Oregon girl. No way, because she fucks up regularly about areas in Eastern Oregon. I doubt she has been South of I-84.

Lolol.....says the flap handed city punk who thinks he should tell the people who actually live there what to do. Yes, I'm an Eastern Oregon girl. Everything I've read says the guys have broken into and are occupying only one building. I don't know what you have an aerial of.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yep, some food. Won't last for long. Hope the authorities have cordoned off this area. Nothing in, nothing out, unconditioned surrender the only acceptable terms to end this insanity. And then prosecution for sedition.

 

[koshergrl]

It's a building, not a complex, and it doesn't have power now. It is an empty building in the middle of mismanaged, stolen blm land. The community is fine with them.

Stolen from whom? You have been asked and still have not told us who owned this land before the Feds did. Why can't you answer?

Ranchers owned the land before the feds did. When they wouldn't sell, the feds took their water and flooded their property.

I don't answer you and the other trolls because I have you on ignore. You have never brought anything to any discussion, and you will bring nothing to this one.

Again, more wild ass lies. There is plenty on the history of the Malhuer Game Refuge on the internet.

"(a) In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.
"(a1) By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.
"(a2) During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.
"(a3) By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.
"(a4) By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers who still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. Susie Hammond in an effort to make sense of what was going on began compiling facts about the refuge. In a hidden public record she found a study done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced four times more ducks and geese than the refuge. The study also showed the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, her and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.
"(b) In the early 1990’s the Hammonds filed on a livestock water source and obtained a deed for the water right from the State of Oregon. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) found out the Hammonds obtained new water rights near the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge, they were agitated and became belligerent and vindictive toward the Hammonds. The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds.*
"(c) In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights, and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily, the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal officials or federal contractors (two counts, each a felony). Dwight spent one night in the Deschutes County Jail in Bend, and a second night behind bars in Portland. He was then hauled before a federal magistrate and released without bail. A hearing on the charges was postponed and the federal judge never set another date.
"(d) The FWS also began restricting access to upper pieces of the Hammond’s private property. In order to get to the upper part of the Hammond’s ranch they had to go on a road that went through the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge. The FWS began barricading the road and threatening the Hammonds if they drove through it. The Hammonds removed the barricades and gates and continued to use their right of access. The road was proven later to be owned by the County of Harney. This further enraged the BLM & FWS.
"(e) Shortly after the road & water disputes, the BLM & FWS arbitrarily revoked the Hammond’s upper grazing permit without any given cause, court proceeding or court ruling. As a traditional “fence out state” Oregon requires no obligation on the part of an owner to keep his or her livestock within a fence or to maintain control over the movement of the livestock. The Hammonds still intended to use their private property for grazing. However, they were informed a federal judge ruled, in a federal court, the federal government did not have to observe the Oregon fence out law. “Those laws are for the people, not for them”.
"(f) The Hammonds were forced to either build and maintain miles of fences or be restricted from the use of their private property. Cutting their ranch in almost half, they could not afford to fence the land, so the cattle were removed.
"(g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sell their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later.
"(h) The owner of the Hammond’s original ranch passed away from a heart attack and the Hammonds made a trade for the ranch back.
"(i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
"(j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.
"(j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.
"(k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”. Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...