Own a Gun ?...you are a rape denialist !!!

[ChrisL]

Look, BRAINLESS, I hate your guts.

I don't care. You post like a child.

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

What is from my post?

 

[Brain357]

I've explained why those aren't decendable with a gun. Let's debate that if you wish.

And you refuse to back up anything. Where is backup for your FL claim? I'm still waiting.

Here you go.

"In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community. Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape
over the previous year by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300
firearms were being purchased each week from dealers, and an unknown
number more from private parties. The newspaper there, the _Orlando
Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial stance and tried to pressure
the local police chief and city government to stop the flow of arms.

When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of
public safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction
with the local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at
a local city park.

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However,
more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm. They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]

Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.

The results?

In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4. Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide. 5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.

Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.

In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)

The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.

Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.

Overall victimization studies show that for all violent crimes, including
assault, rape, and robbery, the safest course for the victim is to
resist with a firearm. The second safest course is passive compliance
with the attacker, but this tactic approximately doubles the probability
of death or injury for the victim. All other tactics (mace, whistles,
hand-to-hand combat, screams, and so forth) have even worse outcomes."

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

Did Orlando gun training reduce rapes Deltoid

Cute. The rates for the period 1958-1972 can be found in Kleck &
Bordua [1]. Their most notable feature is the extreme variation from
year to year. By picking the right two years to compare you can get
any result you want. For example, if I wanted to play the game, I
would say:

“Since the training program started in 66 and ended in 67, we should
compare 65 (last complete pre-training year) with 68 (first complete
post-training year). Results? Three less rapes. In the whole
period 61-72 the year with the closest rate to 65 is 68. In any
case, the rate in 69 was 25% higher than in 65.”

The effect was IMMEDIATE. There is no doubt about what occurred so once again you are presented by facts that absolutely, positively refute yours and you ignore them.

As I said, you are a troll. I don't waste my time with trolls.

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

 

[koshergrl]

How do you know he's a rapist?

Why in the hell else would he want women to be defenseless? Can you think of any good reason?

I'd say he's a progressive.

 

[ChrisL]

Look, BRAINLESS, I hate your guts.

I don't care. You post like a child.

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Are you not understanding the fact that you can use a gun for self defense without firing a shot?

 

[Brain357]

I don't care. You post like a child.

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

What is from my post?

You don't even know what you are posting. Moron. Look for the 8%.

 

[ChrisL]

Here you go.

"In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community. Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape
over the previous year by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300
firearms were being purchased each week from dealers, and an unknown
number more from private parties. The newspaper there, the _Orlando
Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial stance and tried to pressure
the local police chief and city government to stop the flow of arms.

When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of
public safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction
with the local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at
a local city park.

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However,
more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm. They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]

Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.

The results?

In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4. Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide. 5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.

Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.

In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)

The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.

Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.

Overall victimization studies show that for all violent crimes, including
assault, rape, and robbery, the safest course for the victim is to
resist with a firearm. The second safest course is passive compliance
with the attacker, but this tactic approximately doubles the probability
of death or injury for the victim. All other tactics (mace, whistles,
hand-to-hand combat, screams, and so forth) have even worse outcomes."

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

Did Orlando gun training reduce rapes Deltoid

Cute. The rates for the period 1958-1972 can be found in Kleck &
Bordua [1]. Their most notable feature is the extreme variation from
year to year. By picking the right two years to compare you can get
any result you want. For example, if I wanted to play the game, I
would say:

“Since the training program started in 66 and ended in 67, we should
compare 65 (last complete pre-training year) with 68 (first complete
post-training year). Results? Three less rapes. In the whole
period 61-72 the year with the closest rate to 65 is 68. In any
case, the rate in 69 was 25% higher than in 65.”

The effect was IMMEDIATE. There is no doubt about what occurred so once again you are presented by facts that absolutely, positively refute yours and you ignore them.

As I said, you are a troll. I don't waste my time with trolls.

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

 

[ChrisL]

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

What is from my post?

You don't even know what you are posting. Moron. Look for the 8%.

Are you not understanding that you can defend yourself with a gun without firing a shot? Address this.

 

[ChrisL]

Look, BRAINLESS, I hate your guts.

I don't care. You post like a child.

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

 

[Brain357]

Did Orlando gun training reduce rapes Deltoid

Cute. The rates for the period 1958-1972 can be found in Kleck &
Bordua [1]. Their most notable feature is the extreme variation from
year to year. By picking the right two years to compare you can get
any result you want. For example, if I wanted to play the game, I
would say:

“Since the training program started in 66 and ended in 67, we should
compare 65 (last complete pre-training year) with 68 (first complete
post-training year). Results? Three less rapes. In the whole
period 61-72 the year with the closest rate to 65 is 68. In any
case, the rate in 69 was 25% higher than in 65.”

The effect was IMMEDIATE. There is no doubt about what occurred so once again you are presented by facts that absolutely, positively refute yours and you ignore them.

As I said, you are a troll. I don't waste my time with trolls.

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

Are you saying all men are twice your size? Awe poor defenseless little you. I guess you are just defenseless without a gun. You insult women.

 

[ChrisL]

How do you know he's a rapist?

Why in the hell else would he want women to be defenseless? Can you think of any good reason?

I'd say he's a progressive.

Notice, he does not answer my questions? What does that tell you? He's a rapist and wants women to be defenseless against him.

 

[Brain357]

I don't care. You post like a child.

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

Yes and they aren't.

Now what about the 8% YOU posted.

 

[ChrisL]

The effect was IMMEDIATE. There is no doubt about what occurred so once again you are presented by facts that absolutely, positively refute yours and you ignore them.

As I said, you are a troll. I don't waste my time with trolls.

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

Are you saying all men are twice your size? Awe poor defenseless little you. I guess you are just defenseless without a gun. You insult women.

At 5'1" tall and 100 pounds, YES, most men are twice my size. Even if they are my size, men are stronger than women. Those are facts, retard.

 

[Brain357]

How do you know he's a rapist?

Why in the hell else would he want women to be defenseless? Can you think of any good reason?

I'd say he's a progressive.

Notice, he does not answer my questions? What does that tell you? He's a rapist and wants women to be defenseless against him.

Kosher, are you also defenseless without a gun?

 

[ChrisL]

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

Yes and they aren't.

Now what about the 8% YOU posted.

Yes, and they aren't what? Explain with details please.

The 8% is when a person used a gun but did not have to fire a shot because the perpetrator was scared by seeing a weapon.

 

[ChrisL]

How do you know he's a rapist?

Why in the hell else would he want women to be defenseless? Can you think of any good reason?

I'd say he's a progressive.

Notice, he does not answer my questions? What does that tell you? He's a rapist and wants women to be defenseless against him.

Kosher, are you also defenseless without a gun?

What is it that you are claiming here? Explain it in detail please.

 

[Brain357]

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

Are you saying all men are twice your size? Awe poor defenseless little you. I guess you are just defenseless without a gun. You insult women.

At 5'1" tall and 100 pounds, YES, most men are twice my size. Even if they are my size, men are stronger than women. Those are facts, retard.

That doesn't make you defenseless. Gosh get some confidence.

 

[Brain357]

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

Yes and they aren't.

Now what about the 8% YOU posted.

Yes, and they aren't what? Explain with details please.

The 8% is when a person used a gun but did not have to fire a shot because the perpetrator was scared by seeing a weapon.

No it says that's when the attacker is wounded.

 

[koshergrl]

The effect was IMMEDIATE. There is no doubt about what occurred so once again you are presented by facts that absolutely, positively refute yours and you ignore them.

As I said, you are a troll. I don't waste my time with trolls.

Why was 69 higher than 65?

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

Are you saying all men are twice your size? Awe poor defenseless little you. I guess you are just defenseless without a gun. You insult women.

Wow you really do hate women.

Like I said. Progressive.

 

[ChrisL]

You post like a rapist.

According to the FBI, Americans use firearms in self defense 2.1 million times annually. Cases where firearms are used criminally amount to 579,000. Seventy percent of those cases are carried out by criminal repeat offenders. Barrett and Democrats would seek to punish those protecting themselves rather than the criminals. There is a war on women, and it’s coming from the left to turn women into victims. Note this (bold my emphasis):

• In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.
• In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
• Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.
• As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.
• Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

So if like 8% are wounded that is 168,000 criminals shot. Only about 230 criminals are shot and killed each year. Are these people using paintball guns?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

Yes and they aren't.

Now what about the 8% YOU posted.

How do you expect a woman who is about to be raped to defend herself without a firearm?

Are you retarded or something? As you have been told, you don't have to SHOOT the perp to discourage him from raping you. If an unarmed man breaks into my home and I wave a gun in his face, he is going to run away more often than not.

It is from your post. Why did you post it if you don't even believe it.

Address these two questions:

1. Are you not understanding that you can use a gun for self defense WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT?
2. Why do you want women to be defenseless against bigger and stronger men?

Yes and they aren't.

Now what about the 8% YOU posted.

Yes, and they aren't what? Explain with details please.

The 8% is when a person used a gun but did not have to fire a shot because the perpetrator was scared by seeing a weapon.

No it says that's when the attacker is wounded.

Wrong. In less than 8% of cases will the victim EVEN WOUND THE ATTACKER. IOW, in most instances, no shots even have to be fired. Just seeing a firearm scares the rapist away.

 

[ChrisL]

Why do you want women to be defenseless against rapists?

You seem to think very little of women. I know many who don't carry, but aren't defenseless. Are you defenseless without a gun? That is just sad.

Against a man who wants to rape me and is twice my size? Are you saying I can fight him off with my brute strength?

Are you saying all men are twice your size? Awe poor defenseless little you. I guess you are just defenseless without a gun. You insult women.

At 5'1" tall and 100 pounds, YES, most men are twice my size. Even if they are my size, men are stronger than women. Those are facts, retard.

That doesn't make you defenseless. Gosh get some confidence.

This has nothing to do with "confidence" you piece of shit.