Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

If they were protesting 'land stealing' they would press charges,

Press charges in Israel's kangaroo courts.

Now that is funny.

 

[Shusha]

※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Terminology of occupation: "SETTLER"

(OBSERVATIONS)

ARTICLE XII
Arrangements for Security and Public Order

5. For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip,

(COMMENT)

I notice that the Arab Palestinians and the Pro-Palestinians American block the road and then come-out and say the Israelis start the confrontation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity or Israeli citizenship living in the disputed areas. People of Arab ethnicity or Palestinian citizenship living in the disputed areas are called "permanent residents".

The former has a distinctly negative connotation, while the latter does not. The use of these terms should be standardized.

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity

Not really. They could be Hindu settlers and they would still be settlers. Jewish has nothing to do with it.

There are no other people, except Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians, living in the disputed areas, so your argument is conjecture.

But will I will cede the point -- the definition of "settler" is "people with an ethnic identity which is not Arab" (which in context means that they are Jewish).

Why is it permissible for a nation-in-waiting to restrict residency based on ethnic identity?

 

[Shusha]

Why not call the Jewish people living in the disputed areas (Area C) permanent residents, same as Palestinians who live in the disputed areas are called?

 

[rylah]

If they were protesting 'land stealing' they would press charges,

Press charges in Israel's kangaroo courts.

Now that is funny.

Go pull someone else's leg.
Whatever court, they choose not to press charges but send kids to target cars on the main road.
In the same manner they could claim the US flag on the moon is "steeling land".

As usual running like scared ducks from proving Your own claims, what does it tell us?

 

[rylah]

※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Terminology of occupation: "SETTLER"

(OBSERVATIONS)

ARTICLE XII
Arrangements for Security and Public Order

5. For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip,

(COMMENT)

I notice that the Arab Palestinians and the Pro-Palestinians American block the road and then come-out and say the Israelis start the confrontation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity or Israeli citizenship living in the disputed areas. People of Arab ethnicity or Palestinian citizenship living in the disputed areas are called "permanent residents".

The former has a distinctly negative connotation, while the latter does not. The use of these terms should be standardized.

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity

Not really. They could be Hindu settlers and they would still be settlers. Jewish has nothing to do with it.

Palestinian lexicon:

'Palestinian' - exclusively Arabs
"Yahud" (Jew in Arabic) - translated as "settler".

The western wing of Pallywood uses this language to misinform and hide the most evident hate speech. Exposing this exemplifies why Palestinian Jews fought for independence.

 

[Shusha]

What does stealing land and shooting those who protest have to do with security and public order?

They were not blocking any road. They were on village land.

The problem of course, is your (and Arab Palestinians) continued conflation of issues of sovereignty and issues of private land ownership when you talk about "stealing land".

Of course, this is entirely deliberate so you can continue to call the entire territory of "Palestine" (excluding Jordan which is ignored) "stolen land".

The premise is that there can be no such thing as "Israeli land".

 

[rylah]

Our chief Palestinian propagandist P F Tinmore ran away from the opportunity to present any evidence...
I'm shocked NOT!

Team P is a bunch of scared ducks.

 

[Shusha]

※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Terminology of occupation: "SETTLER"

(OBSERVATIONS)

ARTICLE XII
Arrangements for Security and Public Order

5. For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip,

(COMMENT)

I notice that the Arab Palestinians and the Pro-Palestinians American block the road and then come-out and say the Israelis start the confrontation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity or Israeli citizenship living in the disputed areas. People of Arab ethnicity or Palestinian citizenship living in the disputed areas are called "permanent residents".

The former has a distinctly negative connotation, while the latter does not. The use of these terms should be standardized.

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity

Not really. They could be Hindu settlers and they would still be settlers. Jewish has nothing to do with it.

Palestinian lexicon:

'Palestinian' - exclusively Arabs
"Yahud" (Jew in Arabic) - translated as "settler".

The western wing of Pallywood uses this language to misinform and hide the most evident hate speech. Exposing this exemplifies why Palestinian Jews fought for independence.

Its the hypocrisy of demanding an ethnically homogeneous space for yourself while concurrently insisting that the other have an ethnically diverse and inclusive space. You can't claim to be against ethnic cleansing and other-free spaces for others while demanding same for yourself.

 

[rylah]

※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Terminology of occupation: "SETTLER"

(OBSERVATIONS)

ARTICLE XII
Arrangements for Security and Public Order

5. For the purpose of this Agreement, "the Settlements" means, in the West Bank - the settlements in Area C; and in the Gaza Strip - the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas, as well as the other settlements in the Gaza Strip,

(COMMENT)

I notice that the Arab Palestinians and the Pro-Palestinians American block the road and then come-out and say the Israelis start the confrontation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity or Israeli citizenship living in the disputed areas. People of Arab ethnicity or Palestinian citizenship living in the disputed areas are called "permanent residents".

The former has a distinctly negative connotation, while the latter does not. The use of these terms should be standardized.

Also the term "settlers" applies solely to people of Jewish ethnicity

Not really. They could be Hindu settlers and they would still be settlers. Jewish has nothing to do with it.

Palestinian lexicon:

'Palestinian' - exclusively Arabs
"Yahud" (Jew in Arabic) - translated as "settler".

The western wing of Pallywood uses this language to misinform and hide the most evident hate speech. Exposing this exemplifies why Palestinian Jews fought for independence.

Its the hypocrisy of demanding an ethnically homogeneous space for yourself while concurrently insisting that the other have an ethnically diverse and inclusive space. You can't claim to be against ethnic cleansing and other-free spaces for others while demanding same for yourself.

Haneen Zoabi, an Israeli Arab politician once said -"We demand a Palestinian state for Arabs, and another Arab state WITH Jews".

Was Kahane right? I'm still not convinced, but he didn't demand Iraq separate into 2 Jewish states, he demanded only one - in Judea.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What does stealing land and shooting those who protest have to do with security and public order?

They were not blocking any road. They were on village land.

The problem of course, is your (and Arab Palestinians) continued conflation of issues of sovereignty and issues of private land ownership when you talk about "stealing land".

Of course, this is entirely deliberate so you can continue to call the entire territory of "Palestine" (excluding Jordan which is ignored) "stolen land".

The premise is that there can be no such thing as "Israeli land".

Israel has never had a defined territory. There is no evidence that it has any land.

 

[Shusha]

What does stealing land and shooting those who protest have to do with security and public order?

They were not blocking any road. They were on village land.

The problem of course, is your (and Arab Palestinians) continued conflation of issues of sovereignty and issues of private land ownership when you talk about "stealing land".

Of course, this is entirely deliberate so you can continue to call the entire territory of "Palestine" (excluding Jordan which is ignored) "stolen land".

The premise is that there can be no such thing as "Israeli land".

Israel has never had a defined territory. There is no evidence that it has any land.

Odd. Given that Israel is a sovereign nation with defined borders and Palestine is not.

 

[Shusha]

What does stealing land and shooting those who protest have to do with security and public order?

They were not blocking any road. They were on village land.

The problem of course, is your (and Arab Palestinians) continued conflation of issues of sovereignty and issues of private land ownership when you talk about "stealing land".

Of course, this is entirely deliberate so you can continue to call the entire territory of "Palestine" (excluding Jordan which is ignored) "stolen land".

The premise is that there can be no such thing as "Israeli land".

Israel has never had a defined territory. There is no evidence that it has any land.

And thank you for proving my point. That the Arab Palestinian premise is that Israel does not and can not have ANY sovereign territory.

 

[rylah]

Why not call the Jewish people living in the disputed areas (Area C) permanent residents, same as Palestinians who live in the disputed areas are called?

Because if the original meanings of terms were to be used, Arab demands would be shuttered by their history of colonizing the land.

If You're caught with the pants down, point and laugh pretending someone has an open fly.

 

[RoccoR]

RE Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, as usual, there is a bit of misinformation here, and a lot of misinterpretation.

Israel has never had a defined territory. There is no evidence that it has any land.

(COMMENT)

Just to be clear, in broad strokes, the keys to the delimitation of international boundaries are:

• Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979 →

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

• The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994 →

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.​

• Letter dated 9 June 2000 from the President of Lebanon addressed to the Secretary-General →

II. Report of the Secretary-General of 22 May 2000 (S/2000/460)

Paragraph 11 of this report states that “for the practical purpose of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, the United Nations needs to identify a line to be adopted conforming to the internationally recognized boundaries of Lebanon ...” and that “the United Nations will then identify physically, on the ground, those portions of the line necessary or relevant to confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces”.

Paragraph 13 of the report states that “the international boundary between Israel and Lebanon was established pursuant to the 1923 Agreement between France and Great Britain ...”, that “this line was reaffirmed in the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement signed on 23 March 1949” and that “subsequently there were several modifications mutually agreed by Israel and Lebanon”.​

• On 14 December 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law →

Reference

Military situation in the Syrian Civil War as of May 22, 2018.
Controlled by Syrian Arab Republic
Controlled by North Syria Federation (SDF)
Controlled by the Syrian opposition and Ahrar al-Sham
Controlled by Turkey and TFSA
Controlled by the Islamic State (ISIL)
Controlled by Tahrir al-Sham (al-Nusra)
From Wikipedia,​

• History & Overview
  • Golani Infantry Brigade
• Geography & Geology
  • Maps of the Golan
• Historic Photographs

Israeli Law

• Golan Referendum Bill (November 2010)
• Comments by Prime Minister Rabin on Withdrawal on the Golan Heights (September 1994)
• Golan Heights Law (December 1981)
• Syria-Israel Disengagement Agreement (May 1974)

The description that Israel "has never had a defined territory" and that there is "no evidence that it has any land" is just frivolous political language to influence an audience that just never had the information presented to them. But well before the UN Decided "to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations," (A/RES/67/19 • 4 December 2012) Israel had made enormous strides in resolving, through peaceful means, border issues. Syria, Is changing quite frequently. And it is very difficvalt to say, a year from now, which one of the seven major factions will be in territorial control of the territory bordering the Israeli Golan Heights area.

The Arab Palestinians have failed to enter into any serious discussion (in good faith) on the matter of borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, as usual, there is a bit of misinformation here, and a lot of misinterpretation.

Israel has never had a defined territory. There is no evidence that it has any land.

(COMMENT)

Just to be clear, in broad strokes, the keys to the delimitation of international boundaries are:

• Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979 →

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

• The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994 →

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.​

• Letter dated 9 June 2000 from the President of Lebanon addressed to the Secretary-General →

II. Report of the Secretary-General of 22 May 2000 (S/2000/460)

Paragraph 11 of this report states that “for the practical purpose of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, the United Nations needs to identify a line to be adopted conforming to the internationally recognized boundaries of Lebanon ...” and that “the United Nations will then identify physically, on the ground, those portions of the line necessary or relevant to confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces”.

Paragraph 13 of the report states that “the international boundary between Israel and Lebanon was established pursuant to the 1923 Agreement between France and Great Britain ...”, that “this line was reaffirmed in the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement signed on 23 March 1949” and that “subsequently there were several modifications mutually agreed by Israel and Lebanon”.​

• On 14 December 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law →

Reference

Military situation in the Syrian Civil War as of May 22, 2018.
Controlled by Syrian Arab Republic
Controlled by North Syria Federation (SDF)
Controlled by the Syrian opposition and Ahrar al-Sham
Controlled by Turkey and TFSA
Controlled by the Islamic State (ISIL)
Controlled by Tahrir al-Sham (al-Nusra)
From Wikipedia,​

• History & Overview
  • Golani Infantry Brigade
• Geography & Geology
  • Maps of the Golan
• Historic Photographs

Israeli Law

• Golan Referendum Bill (November 2010)
• Comments by Prime Minister Rabin on Withdrawal on the Golan Heights (September 1994)
• Golan Heights Law (December 1981)
• Syria-Israel Disengagement Agreement (May 1974)

The description that Israel "has never had a defined territory" and that there is "no evidence that it has any land" is just frivolous political language to influence an audience that just never had the information presented to them. But well before the UN Decided "to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations," (A/RES/67/19 • 4 December 2012) Israel had made enormous strides in resolving, through peaceful means, border issues. Syria, Is changing quite frequently. And it is very difficvalt to say, a year from now, which one of the seven major factions will be in territorial control of the territory bordering the Israeli Golan Heights area.

The Arab Palestinians have failed to enter into any serious discussion (in good faith) on the matter of borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

The description that Israel "has never had a defined territory" and that there is "no evidence that it has any land" is just frivolous political language to influence an audience that just never had the information presented to them.

Do you mean like Israeli say so?

You tend to forget that in two 1949 UN Armistice agreements (with Egypt and Jordan) that territory was called Palestine. Israel signed both agreements.

What happened after 1949 that transferred that territory to Israel?

 

[Shusha]

Israel signed both agreements.

Yes, yes she did sign both agreements. Why? Because she was a Party to the Agreements. Do you know what that means? It means her Government had the ability to enter into agreements other States -- one of the four key markers of sovereignty.

The two sovereign powers in the territory (called Palestine) at the time, who had the ability to BE Parties to Agreements were Israel and Jordan. There was no other third option. The fact that the territory was then called Palestine does not grant sovereignty to some non-existent entity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel signed both agreements.

Yes, yes she did sign both agreements. Why? Because she was a Party to the Agreements. Do you know what that means? It means her Government had the ability to enter into agreements other States -- one of the four key markers of sovereignty.

The two sovereign powers in the territory (called Palestine) at the time, who had the ability to BE Parties to Agreements were Israel and Jordan. There was no other third option. The fact that the territory was then called Palestine does not grant sovereignty to some non-existent entity.

That does not answer my question, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why is Israel jailing Palestinian minors?

 

[rylah]

Why is Israel jailing Palestinian minors?

Palestinian teen Ahed Tamimi calling for suicide bombings and stabbings


Apparently because they incite to murder and suicide attacks.
Incitement to murder is a criminal offense.