Paul: I don't think McConnell has votes to pass healthcare bill now

[sartre play]

For the last 7 years half the people have been saying don't dump ACA fix it. every one knew that it was at least. a start towards reining in the gone mad with greed insurance company's. at least an effort towards better health care. GOP chose to try and dump it 60 times with no new or better plan on offer. plus heavy negatives making it anti Obama in very red states, people did not even look at what could be fixed, more interested in hurting Obama than having better health care in there state. this political act of dividing us from each other sucks, no one person or party has all the right answers.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

 

[brummelben]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

He has crafted a plan... nobody in congress is taking it seriously

that speaks pretty badly of congress

Senator Paul is a very intelligent Libertarian who wants something the majority of the country opposes. Healthcare if a big deal to little people and there are a lot of little people in this country. YOU guys brought this up; it could have been fixed long ago if you would have allowed it. It looks to me as if you may be forced to fix it with bipartisan input after all.

Let's hope so... I'm sick and tired of the nearly decade long "all or nothing" fight over healthcare. At some point we need both sides working together to fix what we have instead of the BS political posturing... trying to demonize your opponents bill and shut it down is never going to get us anywhere. Reps did it to the Dems for 8 years and now Dems are doing it to the Reps. It's all ego and extremely dishonest and ugly

Democrats aren't doing anything, The GOP is screwing this up all by themselves. Never have they asked for any help.

 

[brummelben]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

He has crafted a plan... nobody in congress is taking it seriously

that speaks pretty badly of congress

Senator Paul is a very intelligent Libertarian who wants something the majority of the country opposes. Healthcare if a big deal to little people and there are a lot of little people in this country. YOU guys brought this up; it could have been fixed long ago if you would have allowed it. It looks to me as if you may be forced to fix it with bipartisan input after all.

Let's hope so... I'm sick and tired of the nearly decade long "all or nothing" fight over healthcare. At some point we need both sides working together to fix what we have instead of the BS political posturing... trying to demonize your opponents bill and shut it down is never going to get us anywhere. Reps did it to the Dems for 8 years and now Dems are doing it to the Reps. It's all ego and extremely dishonest and ugly

Don't hold your breath, the Republicans won't even debate the bill with their fellow Repubs let alone anything bipartisan and have hearings.

Why won't the republicans ask Democrats for help?

 

[Lewdog]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

It's NOT a lie, they are trying to take pre-existing conditions like Psych off of coverage. It's the truth, deal with it.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

It's NOT a lie, they are trying to take pre-existing conditions like Psych off of coverage. It's the truth, deal with it.

The lie is that you claimed I am on meds, or need them. both of those are patently false statements.

 

[Lewdog]

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

It's NOT a lie, they are trying to take pre-existing conditions like Psych off of coverage. It's the truth, deal with it.

The lie is that you claimed I am on meds, or need them. both of those are patently false statements.

I did? I quoted the Tree guy not you.

 

[brummelben]

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

It's NOT a lie, they are trying to take pre-existing conditions like Psych off of coverage. It's the truth, deal with it.

If there is coverage for pre existing conditions, the premiums will be so high that no one could afford them.

 

[Avatar4321]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

The legislation doesn't need to be that long

"We hereby repeal the affordable care act with all its regulations"

That's it

 

[brummelben]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

The legislation doesn't need to be that long

"We hereby repeal the affordable care act with all its regulations"

That's it

Those people do vote, Homer.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

It's NOT a lie, they are trying to take pre-existing conditions like Psych off of coverage. It's the truth, deal with it.

The lie is that you claimed I am on meds, or need them. both of those are patently false statements.

I did? I quoted the Tree guy not you.

well I apologize then...it showed up on my alerts, and I took it to be you talking about me, sorry.

 

[Slade3200]

I think your " built to fail " argument isn't more than a cheap talking point. It was a plan that tried to help the most vulnerable but lacked fiscal responsibility and had a very sloppy roll out.

When Obamacare was first coming out, I must have heard a dozen experts on television giving it a year by year analysis of the roll-out, when various stages would kick in saying that this year when it was fully implemented it would collapse and that the inevitable result would be single payer, and that is pretty much exactly what has happened and where it is going.

.. however it had and still has the ability to be amended and tweaked and improved. There has never been a bipartisan attempt to fix the areas that were not working. A lot of empty promises and political posturing from the right to do something that they obviously were not prepared to do.

Anything has the ability to be amended and improved. Question is, what is easier, trying to wade through the 30,000 pages of Obamacare or just starting from scratch? There never seems much interest or hope for any bipartisan effort these days and I would say that more of that seems to come from the Left. They may throw it out there for optics, but when approached, their idea of "cooperation" is not to meet the GOP in the middle but for the GOP to come fully onto their side and do everything their way.

But I agree with the rest of what you say: the GOP has admitted that it was pretty easy to vote to repeal Obamacare when Obama was in office because they knew he would never sign it. They didn't expect Trump to win, and were caught with their pants down. And there never is any unity, they always have 5 or 6 hold outs no matter what, as if they are determined to see the party fail. They damn well get it together and get something done. People like Paul need to start considering that fixing some of the healthcare issues so they can move onto tax reform is a lot better than leaving healthcare totally broken as it is, breaking a major promise and not reforming taxes either!

I believe that Obama care is 959 pages. 905 pages of the ACA and 54 of the Reconciliation Act.
Read the Affordable Care Act, Health Care Law

Admittedly I have not ready read it, I have only heard the bullet point and analysis by groups of people that I do not trust. From what I gather I like the intent behind many of the efforts. From what I've seen is a sloppy roll out and and poor fiscal impact. Basically, I like the protections but I don't like the execution and economic effects. I've heard nothing but demonization and opposition from the republicans from the start. They are proving that all the repeal bills and talk of "repeal and replace" was not coming from an honest, thoughtful and unified front. They appear to just be trying to score political points, which is scary. Now we see them trying to push through a bill in an even more divisive and isolated way than the Dems did... and we see the Dems playing opposition. I hate it all. A bunch a children playing with our lives.

You may be right, maybe the ACA sucks and it needs to be scrapped and rewritten. But I think after all the work and effort that went into it and the fact that most americans like the protections it provides, I just think our leaders owe it to the people give them an honest effort to FIX it by address costs in a bipartisan and honest way. Unfortunately I also agree with the partisan problem that we have and I don't see cooperation happening.

 

[The Original Tree]

I'm curious... were you happy with the healthcare system before Obamacare? Are you wanting to go back to how things were?

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.

What are you going to do when they take away your pre-existing conditions and your insurance no longer covers your psyche meds? We all know you are crazy as shit, we don't want to see you off your meds.

is that all you can do, is insult someone, and also insult people who genuinely suffer from real mental illnesses. Im completely sane, seems like you have a bit of a problem, though. oh, and it's "psych", not "psyche". Furthermore, a dimwit like you most likely mistakes independent thinking and intelligence for insanity.

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The lie is that you claimed I am on meds, or need them. both of those are patently false statements.

You are a troll, and that's no lie. How many accounts do you have, and why do you keep making more every time you get put on IGNORE by everyone?

 

[Avatar4321]

really, the GOP should put Senator Paul in charge of crafting a healthcare bill...he is a doctor from a family of doctors.

The healthcare bill should be two pages long. The reason it's messed up is the government.

The legislation doesn't need to be that long

"We hereby repeal the affordable care act with all its regulations"

That's it

Those people do vote, Homer.

I know we vote. That is why we voted these guys in.

But instead of repealing it, they are amending it.

I get that their needs to be compromise to get things done sometimes. But it would be nice if we would at least try to get the promised repeal done.

Pass tax reform too.

Just get the stuff done or at least try to.

 

[toobfreak]

I believe that Obama care is 959 pages. 905 pages of the ACA and 54 of the Reconciliation Act.

Depending on who I read, I got estimates of 900+ pages, 2700 pages and 20,000 pages of regulations. At one point they mention 800 pages being added on:

Guy Benson - Photo: 20,000 Pages of Obamacare Regulations

Obamacare was written by a team of people on the side, not sure when they started it, it was not written by the Democrats in the Congress. Not sure how the GOP is handling it. But they better get it done and do a pretty good job of it.

 

[Slade3200]

I believe that Obama care is 959 pages. 905 pages of the ACA and 54 of the Reconciliation Act.

Depending on who I read, I got estimates of 900+ pages, 2700 pages and 20,000 pages of regulations. At one point they mention 800 pages being added on:

Guy Benson - Photo: 20,000 Pages of Obamacare Regulations

Obamacare was written by a team of people on the side, not sure when they started it, it was not written by the Democrats in the Congress. Not sure how the GOP is handling it. But they better get it done and do a pretty good job of it.

Unfortunately, it only seems like they are making a mess get even messier. For all of our sake something needs to happen. Either Reps need to create a stellar bill... Or then need to fail and then work with Dems to fix ACA. If neither of those happen we are going to have a long time of bad things happening to Americans which will be followed by single payer.

 

[leftwinger]

The health care system was better before Obama. Ask anyone who pays taxes and works for a living.[/QUOTE]
Many people with preexisting conditions and who who couldn't afford insurance would disagree with you[/QUOTE]

Many people with preexisting conditions and who who couldn't afford insurance would disagree with you

Then deal with pre-existing. Why blow up the whole mess as ObamaCare did? The poor were already eligible for MediCaid.

 

[The Original Tree]

Many people with preexisting conditions and who who couldn't afford insurance would disagree with you

NO ONE has ever been denied health care in this country. NO ONE.

You are talking about buying shipping insurance, boat insurance, home owner's insurance, rental car insurance, renter's insurance, life insurance, accidental injury insurance, liability insurance, flood insurance, car insurance, valuables insurance, insurance against a crop failure, earthquake insurance, asteroid impact insurance, and health insurance.

Please show me in The Constitution where The Government can force me to buy health insurance policies for another person.

Buying insurance of any type is a choice. In America, the land of opportunity, that choice if you choose it, becomes easier if you apply yourself and work for a living, instead of asking The Government to change your diapers.

 

[leftwinger]

Many people with preexisting conditions and who who couldn't afford insurance would disagree with you

NO ONE has ever been denied health care in this country. NO ONE.

You are talking about buying shipping insurance, boat insurance, home owner's insurance, rental care insurance, renters insurance, life insurance, accidental injury insurance, liability insurance, flood insurance, car insurance, valuables insurance, insurance against a crop failure, earthquake insurance, asteroid impact insurance, and health insurance.

Please show me in The Constitution where The Government can force me to buy health insurance policies for another person.

Buying insurance of any type is a choice. In America, the land of opportunity, that choice if you choose it, becomes easier if you apply yourself and work for a living, instead of asking The Government to change your diapers.

I messed up the quoting in the message above yours I suppose. But I never posted what is assigned to my handle? funny. Slade posted that quote and now I get the blame. funny funny.

 

[The Original Tree]

Many people with preexisting conditions and who who couldn't afford insurance would disagree with you

NO ONE has ever been denied health care in this country. NO ONE.

You are talking about buying shipping insurance, boat insurance, home owner's insurance, rental care insurance, renters insurance, life insurance, accidental injury insurance, liability insurance, flood insurance, car insurance, valuables insurance, insurance against a crop failure, earthquake insurance, asteroid impact insurance, and health insurance.

Please show me in The Constitution where The Government can force me to buy health insurance policies for another person.

Buying insurance of any type is a choice. In America, the land of opportunity, that choice if you choose it, becomes easier if you apply yourself and work for a living, instead of asking The Government to change your diapers.

I messed up the quoting in the message above yours I suppose. But I never posted what is assigned to my handle? funny. Slade posted that quote and now I get the blame. funny funny.

No biggie...