Pocahontas: We Need Big Government! 'Nobody In America Succeeds On Their Own'

[rightwinger]

If anybody is scared of strong women, it's the left. Look how they bash successful women in the Republican party. They are only for the women on the plantation. Every other woman can go to hell as far as they're concerned.

Why do Republicans elect so few women

Because we base our vote on who we believe will do the best job. Voting for people based on race, gender, sexual preference, good looks is a Democrat criteria for office. I don't believe we have as many women running for office as Democrats either. The ones who do are moderates or Rino's like Collins or Murkowski.

At least when we run a woman, you know she's there because she's really earned it, not because she's an intersectional token.

LOL

That is why Republicans run so few women

They don’t believe they earned it like men do

Is that why? Can you show me the last woman that wanted to run as a Republican that was stopped by the RNC?

Prove a negative?
All we can go on is results

Results in a white, Christian, male Republican Party

 

[Cecilie1200]

She's got the same mindset as Barack 'You Didn't Build That' Obama, the non-natural born Citizen Constitutionally ineligible ex-president. Her presidential aspirations will fail.

Elizabeth Warren: ‘Nobody in America Succeeds on Their Own'

Why do strong women scare you?

Why do you define "strong women" as "women who believe what I think they should"?

If anybody is scared of strong women, it's the left. Look how they bash successful women in the Republican party. They are only for the women on the plantation. Every other woman can go to hell as far as they're concerned.

Exactly. If they can only call a woman "strong" when she's doing what they tell her to, then they're not understanding the meaning of the word at all.

The last strong woman they ran did half the campaigning her challenger did. She was so strong she couldn't make public appearances without passing out from being drunk. She was so strong she threw a hissy fit after she lost an election and was so drunk she couldn't come out and make a concession speech.

And has spent two years whining about how it's everyone else's fault.

 

[dblack]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force. We can form groups and collaborate without legal mandates.

 

[rightwinger]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force.

Such a drama queen

 

[dblack]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force.

Such a drama queen

Where's the drama? We don't need to resort to legal mandates to solve most problems. How is that dramatic?

 

[Dick Foster]

She's got the same mindset as Barack 'You Didn't Build That' Obama, the non-natural born Citizen Constitutionally ineligible ex-president. Her presidential aspirations will fail.

Elizabeth Warren: ‘Nobody in America Succeeds on Their Own'

The democrat belief is that you are all too stupid to make it without their help

The only thing they can give guidance on is how to be stupid.

 

[francoHFW]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force. We can form groups and collaborate without legal mandates.

The point is Reagan cut infrastructure investment by 50% and it remains at that level and he also ended free public universities and colleges. I'm sure that's no problem LOL.Warren is trying to say, how would you do without roads Bridges airports seaports railroads college and training... Well we'll be fine if all you want is to sell hamburgers and insurance to each other....

 

[dblack]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force. We can form groups and collaborate without legal mandates.

The point is Reagan cut infrastructure investment by 50% and it remains at that level and he also ended free public universities and colleges. I'm sure that's no problem LOL.Warren is trying to say, how would you do without roads Bridges airports seaports railroads college and training... Well we'll be fine if all you want is to sell hamburgers and insurance to each other....

The question of the thread is whether we need "big government" or not. I know your only reason for posting is to insult Republicans, but it's a bigger question than that. Some of you seem to think that government IS everything, or at least should be. Government running everything is the definition of a totalitarian state.

 

[rightwinger]

You are mostly correct, but also miss a point or two.

We have clean water laws because most of us did not want to see raw sewage in our rivers or industrial waste in our drinking water.

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force.

Such a drama queen

Where's the drama? We don't need to resort to legal mandates to solve most problems. How is that dramatic?

<sob> Society forces me to do things I don’t want!
Not fair, not fair, not fair!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do Republicans elect so few women

Because we base our vote on who we believe will do the best job. Voting for people based on race, gender, sexual preference, good looks is a Democrat criteria for office. I don't believe we have as many women running for office as Democrats either. The ones who do are moderates or Rino's like Collins or Murkowski.

At least when we run a woman, you know she's there because she's really earned it, not because she's an intersectional token.

LOL

That is why Republicans run so few women

They don’t believe they earned it like men do

Is that why? Can you show me the last woman that wanted to run as a Republican that was stopped by the RNC?

Prove a negative?
All we can go on is results

Results in a white, Christian, male Republican Party

Go by results. What the results are is that nobody is denied entry into our party. If people want to join and run, all are welcome. If people don't, it's not the party at fault.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This remains a silly argument, just as does "you didn't build that".

Obviously every successful person receives some measure of support along the way. And that certainly isn't limited to America. That happens pretty much anywhere. But that doesn't give some the excuse to tear them down and minimize their accomplishments, which is generally the point.

"You didn't build that" and "You didn't earn that" are just games played by some because it's much easier to tear people at the top down than it is to inspire others to achieve more. That would require maintaining standards and expectations, and we aren't allowed to do that any more. It's mean.

It's not one or the other. Silly binary arguments.
.

It's just ripping the fantasy "It Takes a Village."

People like Warren are part of the klan that wants to brainwash people that nothing can be accomplished without your federal government. Business only exists because of your federal government. You can only breathe because of your federal government. You only have fuel because of your federal government. You have food thanks to the federal government. You can walk and talk thanks to your federal government.

Democrats understand that the less we need federal government, the less we need Democrats around. Saying we can survive without the federal government is like saying our planet can survive without the sun according to the left.

Who has ever said......Nothing can be accomplished without the Federal Government

Only Conservatives

That's pretty much the message behind You Didn't Build That.

 

[dblack]

I'm aware of that. Government has a legitimate responsibility to look after the commons. What I'm rejecting is this inflated sense of what government does and its role in relation to society. People caught up in politics seem to think government and laws define society, and I don't buy that.

Most of society gets by most of the time without instructions from the government. The vast bulk of our interactions aren't guided by laws. They're governed by basic human decency. Only in rare circumstances is it necessary to get the police involved. We should strive to keep it that way and not give in to the deluded "reformers" who think everything single social issue should to be subjected to legislation.

Some things are best accomplished as an individual
Others are more effective as part of a group

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a question of group vs individual. The question is whether we solve things voluntarily or through force.

Such a drama queen

Where's the drama? We don't need to resort to legal mandates to solve most problems. How is that dramatic?

<sob> Society forces me to do things I don’t want!
Not fair, not fair, not fair!

Well, you're certainly being dramatic. I guess it's easier than presenting a legitimate argument for your position.

 

[ph3iron]

Why would you care about a Klan meeting?

Bunch of Good old Boys

I don't. You're the one passing off your CNN lies about Trump's father being in the Klan. I was just pointing out how you've been duped. You brought it up--I didn't.

I just thought all he did was arrested at a KKK rally?.
And fined for refusing to rent to blacks?.
Good ol German white boy with an illegal brothel owner dad.
That's all, great genes.
At least I'm proud he paid off a doc to get the cons 5 deferments.
Terrific dad and role model.
I love him.
Bring back lynching, that's what I say.
Coming with me Ray? Bring your daughter

He was arrested and not charged. And how do you know he wasn't arrested for going against the Klan? The Klan back then was the Democrat's Anti-Fa of today.

For that matter, how do we know he wasn't just present in the area and swept up in a general "clear the area" maneuver?

Liberals really love to add to the story, don't they? Lies are how they come up with lines like Trump called all Mexicans rapists and thieves. Or Trump said all white supremacists are good people.

Or I can grab womenvaginas bcause im famous?
Try the site devoted to his 10000 lies.
I love our Pres.
I can drag my wife by the hair before raping her now
And lust after my daughter.
Lie about my bone spurs?
Terrific role model

 

[BS Filter]

Oh yeah, Alexander Graham Bell, George Washington Carver, Henry Ford, and Thomas Edison were all subsidized by big government, huh.

 

[ph3iron]

What would I be worked up about? You're the one posting lies, not me.

Why would you care about a Klan meeting?

Bunch of Good old Boys

I don't. You're the one passing off your CNN lies about Trump's father being in the Klan. I was just pointing out how you've been duped. You brought it up--I didn't.

I just thought all he did was arrested at a KKK rally?.
And fined for refusing to rent to blacks?.
Good ol German white boy with an illegal brothel owner dad.
That's all, great genes.
At least I'm proud he paid off a doc to get the cons 5 deferments.
Terrific dad and role model.
I love him.
Bring back lynching, that's what I say.
Coming with me Ray? Bring your daughter

He was arrested and not charged. And how do you know he wasn't arrested for going against the Klan? The Klan back then was the Democrat's Anti-Fa of today.

For that matter, how do we know he wasn't just present in the area and swept up in a general "clear the area" maneuver?

And why he was fined for not renting to blacks??
Huge misunderstanding

 

[Likkmee]

Big Govt sure helped this fellow eh ?

I don't. You're the one passing off your CNN lies about Trump's father being in the Klan. I was just pointing out how you've been duped. You brought it up--I didn't.

I just thought all he did was arrested at a KKK rally?.
And fined for refusing to rent to blacks?.
Good ol German white boy with an illegal brothel owner dad.
That's all, great genes.
At least I'm proud he paid off a doc to get the cons 5 deferments.
Terrific dad and role model.
I love him.
Bring back lynching, that's what I say.
Coming with me Ray? Bring your daughter

He was arrested and not charged. And how do you know he wasn't arrested for going against the Klan? The Klan back then was the Democrat's Anti-Fa of today.

For that matter, how do we know he wasn't just present in the area and swept up in a general "clear the area" maneuver?

Liberals really love to add to the story, don't they? Lies are how they come up with lines like Trump called all Mexicans rapists and thieves. Or Trump said all white supremacists are good people.

Or I can grab womenvaginas bcause im famous?
Try the site devoted to his 10000 lies.
I love our Pres.
I can drag my wife by the hair before raping her now
And lust after my daughter.
Lie about my bone spurs?
Terrific role model

You should move to Tampa and hang at some swing clubs, meet a porn star, knock your old lady up, and start dating the porn star when the kid is born.
Hard work will land you at the top !

 

[ph3iron]

This remains a silly argument, just as does "you didn't build that".

Obviously every successful person receives some measure of support along the way. And that certainly isn't limited to America. That happens pretty much anywhere. But that doesn't give some the excuse to tear them down and minimize their accomplishments, which is generally the point.

"You didn't build that" and "You didn't earn that" are just games played by some because it's much easier to tear people at the top down than it is to inspire others to achieve more. That would require maintaining standards and expectations, and we aren't allowed to do that any more. It's mean.

It's not one or the other. Silly binary arguments.
.

It's just ripping the fantasy "It Takes a Village."

People like Warren are part of the klan that wants to brainwash people that nothing can be accomplished without your federal government. Business only exists because of your federal government. You can only breathe because of your federal government. You only have fuel because of your federal government. You have food thanks to the federal government. You can walk and talk thanks to your federal government.

Democrats understand that the less we need federal government, the less we need Democrats around. Saying we can survive without the federal government is like saying our planet can survive without the sun according to the left.

Who has ever said......Nothing can be accomplished without the Federal Government

Only Conservatives

That's pretty much the message behind You Didn't Build That.

1/2 the statement as usual.
Like "you can keep your plan" IF ITS AS GOOD AS THE WORST OBAMACARE
"All trump voters are undesirables" A SECTION OF TRUMP VOTERS
ah well, knees news wins again, easier to chant stupidities

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This remains a silly argument, just as does "you didn't build that".

Obviously every successful person receives some measure of support along the way. And that certainly isn't limited to America. That happens pretty much anywhere. But that doesn't give some the excuse to tear them down and minimize their accomplishments, which is generally the point.

"You didn't build that" and "You didn't earn that" are just games played by some because it's much easier to tear people at the top down than it is to inspire others to achieve more. That would require maintaining standards and expectations, and we aren't allowed to do that any more. It's mean.

It's not one or the other. Silly binary arguments.
.

It's just ripping the fantasy "It Takes a Village."

People like Warren are part of the klan that wants to brainwash people that nothing can be accomplished without your federal government. Business only exists because of your federal government. You can only breathe because of your federal government. You only have fuel because of your federal government. You have food thanks to the federal government. You can walk and talk thanks to your federal government.

Democrats understand that the less we need federal government, the less we need Democrats around. Saying we can survive without the federal government is like saying our planet can survive without the sun according to the left.

Who has ever said......Nothing can be accomplished without the Federal Government

Only Conservatives

That's pretty much the message behind You Didn't Build That.

1/2 the statement as usual.
Like "you can keep your plan" IF ITS AS GOOD AS THE WORST OBAMACARE
"All trump voters are undesirables" A SECTION OF TRUMP VOTERS
ah well, knees news wins again, easier to chant stupidities

Did you ever look at the Commie Care plans? There is nothing worse.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

Why would you care about a Klan meeting?

Bunch of Good old Boys

I don't. You're the one passing off your CNN lies about Trump's father being in the Klan. I was just pointing out how you've been duped. You brought it up--I didn't.

I just thought all he did was arrested at a KKK rally?.
And fined for refusing to rent to blacks?.
Good ol German white boy with an illegal brothel owner dad.
That's all, great genes.
At least I'm proud he paid off a doc to get the cons 5 deferments.
Terrific dad and role model.
I love him.
Bring back lynching, that's what I say.
Coming with me Ray? Bring your daughter

He was arrested and not charged. And how do you know he wasn't arrested for going against the Klan? The Klan back then was the Democrat's Anti-Fa of today.

For that matter, how do we know he wasn't just present in the area and swept up in a general "clear the area" maneuver?

And why he was fined for not renting to blacks??
Huge misunderstanding

Especially the part where he was fined for not renting to blacks.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't. You're the one passing off your CNN lies about Trump's father being in the Klan. I was just pointing out how you've been duped. You brought it up--I didn't.

I just thought all he did was arrested at a KKK rally?.
And fined for refusing to rent to blacks?.
Good ol German white boy with an illegal brothel owner dad.
That's all, great genes.
At least I'm proud he paid off a doc to get the cons 5 deferments.
Terrific dad and role model.
I love him.
Bring back lynching, that's what I say.
Coming with me Ray? Bring your daughter

He was arrested and not charged. And how do you know he wasn't arrested for going against the Klan? The Klan back then was the Democrat's Anti-Fa of today.

For that matter, how do we know he wasn't just present in the area and swept up in a general "clear the area" maneuver?

Liberals really love to add to the story, don't they? Lies are how they come up with lines like Trump called all Mexicans rapists and thieves. Or Trump said all white supremacists are good people.

Or I can grab womenvaginas bcause im famous?
Try the site devoted to his 10000 lies.
I love our Pres.
I can drag my wife by the hair before raping her now
And lust after my daughter.
Lie about my bone spurs?
Terrific role model

What are you talking about? Nobody lies more than you.


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