PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'

[ThunderKiss1965]

MILLER: The gun-show loophole myth

 

[Auld Phart]

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'


Calling it 'gun show' is imprecise because the gaping loophole in the federal law is much bigger than gun show...

Call it the gun-show-flea-market-parking-lot-craigs-list-garage-sale-internet-trailer-park loophole.

Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

When researchers excluded purchases between family and friends, that number dropped to 15 percent, which equates to approximately 5 million gun owners whose most recent purchase did not involve a background check.

5 Million gun purchases/trades/sales - with no background check.

How many where domestic abusers, dishonorable discharges, mentally ill, no fly lists?

Hell, how many are just suicidal. That ugly secret of gun deaths, the majority are suicides. And the pro-life party is okay with suicidal people owning guns.

Not in Illinois thankfully. You don't even need to adjudicated at mentally ill. If you are admitted to hospital program voluntarily, you lose your state gun permit for 5 years.

That's what I call sensible.

Suicide is a choice
Why do you think you have the right to tell someone they can't choose to end their own life?

Interesting question.

they're all for physician assisted suicide, but not for DIY?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Another OP full of lies, shocker.

Another post without substance. Shocker.

 

[whitehall]

What does the left want to do except whine? If there are already laws on the books preventing weapons trading in parking lots what do the freaking low information lefties want to do, pass another law? It's estimated that about a thousand Chicago citizens will be murdered this year by illegal guns and gang bang violence but the mayor gets no criticism because he is a democrat. The last thing the left wants to do is end the gun controversy during an election year.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If parking lot gun trades without a name check are already illegal what does the radical left suggest? Dump the Constitution and break into homes of suspected gun owners? It should be noted that Barry Hussein could have closed the no fly list loophole but he didn't want to anger his criminal jihad base.

They aren't illegal under federal law. That's the point. Only 18 states and DC require paperwork for private sales.
I could go to a gun show, buy as many guns as I please, without question, then proceed to sell them on in the parking lot or advertise them online without question.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Another OP full of lies, shocker.

Indeed. I have bought both guns and ammo at gun shows, as well as cabelas, bass pro, and I have had guns shipped to a local FFL dealer from online sales.

In every single case, before I could take delivery, I underwent a background check by the FBI.

In some cases, at gun shows, I had to wait hours or even had to come back the next day to pick the firearm up due to the backlog of background checks.

When I purchased a firearm from online, the FFL dealer notified me when it arrived and I went to his place of business and the background check was ran at that time.

The propaganda the left throws out there is the most dishonest crap I have seen in some time.

Wonderful. That may be the law in your state but it's not federal law.
Just because your experience doesn't reflect what is said in the OP, that neither makes it impossible or a lie.

 

[RDD_1210]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

So much for "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", right? How about we tell women that, in order to murder their baby, they register their intent with the federal government before the procedure can be done legally? If not, 25 year mandatory sentence.

Or, how about this: any illegal border jumper that has been caught and returned repeatedly, then murders an American Citizen, the family of the murdered can receive compensation from the "sanctuary city" that flaunted federal law for years.

Those ok with you, too?

Yes.

Any other questions?

 

[RDD_1210]

The govt doesn't need to know how many and what I have.

Just as much as you "need" an endless supply of guns.

"Need" is not the issue, but desire.

Pursuit of happiness and all that stuff.

It is certainly no business of yours or anyone else to decide what I "need".

Of course it's my business. I live in this country.

 

[RDD_1210]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

 

[Auld Phart]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

Not going to happen in a free country,

Not without a civil war between gun owners, and those thinking like you.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

So much for "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", right? How about we tell women that, in order to murder their baby, they register their intent with the federal government before the procedure can be done legally? If not, 25 year mandatory sentence.

Or, how about this: any illegal border jumper that has been caught and returned repeatedly, then murders an American Citizen, the family of the murdered can receive compensation from the "sanctuary city" that flaunted federal law for years.

Those ok with you, too?

Yes.

Any other questions?

Here's the problem - your side isn't with you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The gun nuts desperately defend the loopholes because they want criminals to easily obtain weapons.

What other reason can there be?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

I don't believe in registration and I don't believe in "licensing". The second amendment says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Now, if you want to impose mandatory sentencing for ANY crime committed with a firearm - I'm fine with that. But take this into consideration before you agree with me. You guys have the ACLU. It will never happen.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The gun nuts desperately defend the loopholes because they want criminals to easily obtain weapons.

What other reason can there be?

As usual, you're off your nut.

 

[RDD_1210]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

Not going to happen in a free country,

Not without a civil war between gun owners, and those thinking like you.

Spoken like someone who isn't a responsible gun owner.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

Not going to happen in a free country,

Not without a civil war between gun owners, and those thinking like you.

Like I said earlier - we allow illegals to come in to this country REPEATEDLY and kill our citizens - then they waltz back across the border laughing at us. The left wants guns out of the hands of LAW-ABIDING citizens. A disarmed population is ripe for tyranny - which the left has been pining for since the 60s.

 

[RDD_1210]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

I don't believe in registration and I don't believe in "licensing". The second amendment says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Now, if you want to impose mandatory sentencing for ANY crime committed with a firearm - I'm fine with that. But take this into consideration before you agree with me. You guys have the ACLU. It will never happen.

It also says "well regulated" but you forget to include that portion.

 

[RDD_1210]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

Not going to happen in a free country,

Not without a civil war between gun owners, and those thinking like you.

Like I said earlier - we allow illegals to come in to this country REPEATEDLY and kill our citizens - then they waltz back across the border laughing at us. The left wants guns out of the hands of LAW-ABIDING citizens. A disarmed population is ripe for tyranny - which the left has been pining for since the 60s.

No, only you want that.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

I don't believe in registration and I don't believe in "licensing". The second amendment says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Now, if you want to impose mandatory sentencing for ANY crime committed with a firearm - I'm fine with that. But take this into consideration before you agree with me. You guys have the ACLU. It will never happen.

It also says "well regulated" but you forget to include that portion.

And your point is? "Well-regulated" meant :"disciplined" in the 1700s.

 

[Auld Phart]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

Not going to happen in a free country,

Not without a civil war between gun owners, and those thinking like you.

Spoken like someone who isn't a responsible gun owner.

Spoken like someone that has no clue about responsible gun owners