POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[kaz]

Tax Cut Economics is pure ignorance that benefits those with the most capital, the most.

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
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Libertarians are controlling the GOP? You're a complete idiot. There is nothing libertarian about the GOP

You "funny," Mac, but notice you have no examples of the GOP having any libertarian policies

 

[Muhammed]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I think you are ignorant.

 

[danielpalos]

solving simple poverty through unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, is market friendly and capital friendly.

why does the right wing Object?

Capitalism involves voluntary social transactions that should result in mutually beneficial trade.

Requiring a work ethic IS socialism on a national basis, not Capitalism.

 

[Mac1958]

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
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Libertarians are controlling the GOP? You're a complete idiot. There is nothing libertarian about the GOP

You "funny," Mac, but notice you have no examples of the GOP having any libertarian policies

I didn't say "policies", you did. That one came from your mind after extrapolating out what I actually said a few hundred miles. That's okay, I'm certainly used to that tactic here.

Right wingers are trained to run from any government spending, outside of the military, like cats running from a bath. That's the libertarian influence. Of course, in real life, the party spends like a 16 year old with her daddy's Gold Card, because they're pretty much full of shit. They say the right words during the campaign to get your vote, and then, ha ha.

As usual, if my opinion causes you some kind of trauma, too bad.
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[Rambunctious]

Have you had conversations with many on the left that express an interest in letting the government fully control our economy?

Yes even with youngsters in my own extended family...its what they are being fed in some of our schools...people think socialism and communism is a carefree lifestyle full of learning playing and growing and kindness but that kind of lifestyle goes against the grain of human existence....people will always want to be free...

 

[kaz]

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Libertarians are controlling the GOP? You're a complete idiot. There is nothing libertarian about the GOP

You "funny," Mac, but notice you have no examples of the GOP having any libertarian policies

I didn't say "policies", you did. That one came from your mind after extrapolating out what I actually said a few hundred miles. That's okay, I'm certainly used to that tactic here.

Right wingers are trained to run from any government spending, outside of the military, like cats running from a bath. That's the libertarian influence. Of course, in real life, the party spends like a 16 year old with her daddy's Gold Card, because they're pretty much full of shit. They say the right words during the campaign to get your vote, and then, ha ha.

As usual, if my opinion causes you some kind of trauma, too bad.
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So you said the libertarians run the GOP, then you said they aren't really libertarian. Shows the stupidity that went into the original claim.

GOPers at best reduce the growth in government spending. They cut nothing. I would cut the government down to about a third the size it is now. Most of that would be military. As stated in the Constitution that was written by classic liberals, today called libertarians.

There is nothing remotely libertarian about either party.

And Republicans are failing to get my vote because ... they aren't libertarian ...

Basically you have here a big swish ...

 

[Uncensored2008]

A.) The terms Right, and Left wing come from Europe (France)

America is a young nation founded by Europeans. Most of the terms used come from Europe.

{The terms "left" and "right" were not used to refer to political ideology per se, but only to seating in the legislature. After 1848, the main opposing camps were the "democratic socialists" and the "reactionaries" who used red and white flags to identify their party affiliation.[8] With the establishment of the Third Republic in 1871, the terms were adopted by political parties: the Republican Left, the Centre Right and the Centre Left (1871) and the Extreme Left (1876) and Radical Left (1881). The beliefs of the group called the Radical Left were actually closer to the Centre Left than the beliefs of those called the Extreme Left.[9] Beginning in the early twentieth century, the terms "left" and "right" came to be associated with specific political ideologies and were used to describe citizens' political beliefs, gradually replacing the terms "reds" and "the reaction". Those on the Left often called themselves "republicans", while those on the Right often called themselves "conservatives". The words Left and Right were at first used by their opponents as slurs.}

B.) The terms Right, and Left wing are still usually used properly in Europe. (Except Britain)

I find the rotters continent to be largely irrelevant.

C.) I do believe that British people including ones in the U.S.A are too stupid to be taken seriously, they have totally misused politics, they don't understand politics, they are Europe's biggest mistake.

Without America, you would still be under Soviet rule.

Show some gratitude.

D.) Capitalism does lead to Liberal, and Left Wing values, the Capitalists would love to sell Heroin to kids for profit, Abortions to kids for profit, Porn to kids for profit, Gangster rap music to kids for profit, Gay marriage parties for profit, Hollywood, media, Facebook, Youtube, Google Capitalists promoting Liberalism, it's kind of garbage.

Where Socialists view kids as property of the state, to be used at the pleasure (and for the pleasure) of rulers who enslave.

E.) Back towards point C. British people don't understand politics, they are retarded savages for the most part, and I don't value the opinion of such retarded savages.

An Eastern European speaking of savages....

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm very surprised. The left wing is more ignorant than I realized.

Tax Cut Economics is pure ignorance that benefits those with the most capital, the most.

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

We don't have capitalism. We have a belief in deficit financing. We have inflationism. We have economic interventionism. We have central economic planning by a central bank. We have a welfare state.

Our monetary policy is so far removed from capitalism that it's laughable to call it capitalism.

All of this courtesy of both theoretical political sides.

What is a capitalist monetary policy, in your view?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I think you first have to define 'left wing'

If you think the #resistance, pussy hats, LGTQWHTF..etc. rights and transgender bathrooms are left wing wing then the answer is definitely no

If the left wing is Marx, Trotsky, Lenin and class warfare then it would be yes

There is no difference between your first and second groups.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What does the end of capitalism mean?

Slavery.

Which is the end game of socialism in every case.

Marx claimed humanity can be purged from humans, that we will be little more than insects living to the hive. But until that hell on earth is achieved, Marx saw what all Socialist do, there must be totalitarian dictatorship.

Men can trade as free men under capitalism, or be slaves under socialism. Those are our options.

 

[rightwinger]

Where's the option for.
I'm Right-Wing, and I want to end Capitalism?

Nazis are not "right wing." Not in the way that the terms are used in America. You're views are more closely aligned with Shitflinger than with one like me.

Nazis are as right wing as you can get

 

[danielpalos]

Tax Cut Economics is pure ignorance that benefits those with the most capital, the most.

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Command economies should command economize their way to prosperity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

A.) The terms Right, and Left wing come from Europe (France)

America is a young nation founded by Europeans. Most of the terms used come from Europe.

{The terms "left" and "right" were not used to refer to political ideology per se, but only to seating in the legislature. After 1848, the main opposing camps were the "democratic socialists" and the "reactionaries" who used red and white flags to identify their party affiliation.[8] With the establishment of the Third Republic in 1871, the terms were adopted by political parties: the Republican Left, the Centre Right and the Centre Left (1871) and the Extreme Left (1876) and Radical Left (1881). The beliefs of the group called the Radical Left were actually closer to the Centre Left than the beliefs of those called the Extreme Left.[9] Beginning in the early twentieth century, the terms "left" and "right" came to be associated with specific political ideologies and were used to describe citizens' political beliefs, gradually replacing the terms "reds" and "the reaction". Those on the Left often called themselves "republicans", while those on the Right often called themselves "conservatives". The words Left and Right were at first used by their opponents as slurs.}

B.) The terms Right, and Left wing are still usually used properly in Europe. (Except Britain)

I find the rotters continent to be largely irrelevant.

C.) I do believe that British people including ones in the U.S.A are too stupid to be taken seriously, they have totally misused politics, they don't understand politics, they are Europe's biggest mistake.

Without America, you would still be under Soviet rule.

Show some gratitude.

D.) Capitalism does lead to Liberal, and Left Wing values, the Capitalists would love to sell Heroin to kids for profit, Abortions to kids for profit, Porn to kids for profit, Gangster rap music to kids for profit, Gay marriage parties for profit, Hollywood, media, Facebook, Youtube, Google Capitalists promoting Liberalism, it's kind of garbage.

Where Socialists view kids as property of the state, to be used at the pleasure (and for the pleasure) of rulers who enslave.

E.) Back towards point C. British people don't understand politics, they are retarded savages for the most part, and I don't value the opinion of such retarded savages.

An Eastern European speaking of savages....

Western Europeans are for the most part terrible Human beings, excluding a couple of Celtic nations like Ireland, or Norse nations like Norway, or Denmark.

The first Leftists were Capitalists.

First Leftists were Capitalists.

The first Right-Wingers were for Authority, the Left-Wingers were for Freedom.

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism", while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".[14]

 

[danielpalos]

What objection does the right wing have, with a left wing platform of a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, giga-recycling factories, and unemployment compensation for as long as necessary for Labor to transition to a more modern economy?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

C.) I do believe that British people including ones in the U.S.A are too stupid to be taken seriously, they have totally misused politics, they don't understand politics, they are Europe's biggest mistake.

Without America, you would still be under Soviet rule.

Show some gratitude.

Soviets had strict border control, despite their economic stagnation.

Our people are on the brink, because of Capitalism, not Communism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where's the option for.
I'm Right-Wing, and I want to end Capitalism?

Nazis are not "right wing." Not in the way that the terms are used in America. You're views are more closely aligned with Shitflinger than with one like me.

Nazis are as right wing as you can get

If by "right wing" you mean authoritarian socialists who seek government control of every aspect of life.

Yer a dumb one, shitflinger...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Government has to run the courts, that's all the need to do

Augustus Ceasar didnt even have a police department when he became Emperor

 

[Uncensored2008]

C.) I do believe that British people including ones in the U.S.A are too stupid to be taken seriously, they have totally misused politics, they don't understand politics, they are Europe's biggest mistake.

Without America, you would still be under Soviet rule.

Show some gratitude.

Soviets had strict border control, despite their economic stagnation.

Our people are on the brink, because of Capitalism, not Communism.

Who are "your people?"

Greeks?

Eastern Europe is more prosperous now than in any other time in history. With wealth more evenly distributed.

Your desire for a King to rule you because you cannot rule yourself does not alter reality.

 

[bripat9643]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Under capitalism, the government uses force only to protect you from predators. Under socialism, every economic transaction is directed by government force.